Freedom of speech vs islam.

#51
#51
utvolpj said:
so Christians can interpret the Bible's meaning as they see fit but Muslims must go with the written word exactly?
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Dude you took what I said completely out of context and you know it. That's pathetic.

There are some verses which are extremely clear and have no double meaning. Beat your wife if shes bad is clear. Thou shalt not kill is clear. You read my whole post? Don't take my words out of context just because you're a mod.
 
#52
#52
utvolpj said:
and there are lots of Muslims who feel the same way yet many want to lump them into the group with bombs strapped to their bodies blowing up schools.
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Yeah because right now there aren't a ton of dead Jews due to suicide bombers over in Israel.
 
#53
#53
Ihatethebuckeyes said:
Dude you took what I said completely out of context and you know it. That's pathetic.

There are some verses which are extremely clear and have no double meaning. Beat your wife if shes bad is clear. Thou shalt not kill is clear. You read my whole post? Don't take my words out of context just because you're a mod.
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it seems clear to you but you're not a Muslim are you?

I mean something like "Do not think that I have come to send peace on earth. I did not come to send peace, but a sword." can be read a few different ways right?
 
#54
#54
Between 1993 and September 2000, 27 suicide missions claimed 120 of the 290 Israeli deaths attributed to Palestinian attacks; since then, 112 suicide bombings have accounted for 474 of 918 Israeli Second Intifada fatalities while wounding more than 3,000, despite composing less than 1 percent of all violent incidents.2 These tallies do not include failed suicide operations (i.e. attacks intercepted by security forces or crippled by device failure); the number of attempted attacks is thus higher.


That's a whole lotta people willing to blow themselves up in just one little area.
 
#55
#55
how many have the Israeli's killed? It's not like one group is completely innocent in that conflict
 
#56
#56
utvolpj said:
it seems clear to you but you're not a Muslim are you?

I mean something like "Do not think that I have come to send peace on earth. I did not come to send peace, but a sword." can be read a few different ways right?
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You want an honest conversation or you want to twist my words.

Reality is this, the world (as far as most christians believe) ends really bad. There is a final war and it doesn't go without bloodshed. There is a difference though between the Judgement of a God carried out by a God and the judgement of a God carried out through mortal hands.
 
#57
#57
utvolpj said:
how many have the Israeli's killed? It's not like one group is completely innocent in that conflict
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I'm not going to get into a Israel land possession debate as it would take 100's of pages I suspect. I will say that I don't see Jewish kids blowing themselves up in the name of Jehovah.
 
#58
#58
Anyone who pretends that the Muslim faith is one of equality for women and peace is a fool.

Do you believe it is a religion of peace and equality for women?
 
#59
#59
Ihatethebuckeyes said:
I'm not going to get into a Israel land possession debate as it would take 100's of pages I suspect. I will say that I don't see Jewish kids blowing themselves up in the name of Jehovah.
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no need when they have tanks and F-16's

Ihatethebuckeyes said:
Anyone who pretends that the Muslim faith is one of equality for women and peace is a fool.

Do you believe it is a religion of peace and equality for women?
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I don't believe any of them truly are
 
#60
#60
utvolpj said:
no need when they have tanks and F-16's



I don't believe any of them truly are
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Nothing truly ever is anything truly 100% in life.

But there is a difference between teaching that a women needs to be treated the way a man would treat his own body as opposed to beat the woman if she's bad and there is a difference telling your people to spread the word or telling them to spread bloodshed.

A house is a house no matter what ths size is. They're both meant to hold in certain things and keep others out. But there is a big difference between a home in the Governors club in Brentwood or a home in East nashville.
 
#61
#61
lumberjack4 said:
Isn't the point of every religion ultimately about control? Its all about telling people what not to do and how to live, instead of letting them have the responsibility to make their own choices.
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No.

Christianity is all about personal choice.

Islam is all about no choice.

The very word 'islam' means submission.
 
#64
#64
rmsmith said:
Unless you want to be homosexual, or have an abortion, or use contraceptive, or eat pork. i'm sure there are more examples
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Or worship your Eddie poster while listening to "Number of the Beast."

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#65
#65
rmsmith said:
Unless you want to be homosexual, or have an abortion, or use contraceptive, or eat pork. i'm sure there are more examples
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contraceptive equals catholics. Not christianity. Pork equals Jews and Old Testament. If you guys are going to go after christians know what the hell you're talking about. There is a difference between Catholics and Christians, Jews, and Muslims, Old Testament and new.
 
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Ihatethebuckeyes said:
contraceptive equals catholics. Not christianity. Pork equals Jews and Old Testament. If you guys are going to go after christians know what the hell you're talking about. There is a difference between Catholics and Christians, Jews, and Muslims, Old Testament and new.
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Homosexuality and abortion? I'm sorry, are you defending gsvol?
 
#67
#67
DinkinFlicka said:
Homosexuality and abortion? I'm sorry, are you defending gsvol?
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Yes abortion is murder. Homosexuality also is not a go in either Muslim or Christian beliefs.

I am anti abortion. Am I going to blow up a clinic because of it? No. Am I going to feel sorry for the abortion doctors. No again.
 
#68
#68
Ihatethebuckeyes said:
Yes abortion is murder. Homosexuality also is not a go in either Muslim or Christian beliefs.

I am anti abortion. Am I going to blow up a clinic because of it? No. Am I going to feel sorry for the abortion doctors. No again.
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You just illustrated extremism.

Shame on you.
 
#69
#69
DinkinFlicka said:
You just illustrated extremism.

Shame on you.
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Because I don't cry when an abortion doctor is killed? I don't cry when rapist are killed either. I didn't cry at ted Bundy's death.

If that is extreme to you then I guess I am. I'm one extreme guy.
 
#70
#70
Ihatethebuckeyes said:
contraceptive equals catholics. Not christianity. Pork equals Jews and Old Testament. If you guys are going to go after christians know what the hell you're talking about. There is a difference between Catholics and Christians, Jews, and Muslims, Old Testament and new.
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I know many, MANY Christians that won't eat pork. It's directly in the Bible.
And are Catholics not Christians? I know they aren't protestants but they are still christians.
 
#75
#75
I'm done with this debate. It will keep going on and on and let's be honest it's my opinion against about 6 of you.
 
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