Friday practice 8/22

[Grand Vol]

We probably all need to stop making decisions based on practice videos.

Far, far, far too late for that.

 

[VOLorNuttin]

He's a lot like Bishop Shankey except Shankey is bigger, can pass block, and can actually run well between the tackles, but sure.

Good grief. Sankey is not much bigger than Young, at all.

Bishop Sankey Draft Profile

Devrin Young Bio - UTSPORTS.COM - University of Tennessee Athletics

Sankey is not much of a between the tackles runner, either. Just watch his play tonight in the Titan's preseason game. His only decent runs are outside the tackle. Do a little research before you take another sip of that Hater-ade.

 

[KBVol]

Sure.

Why not.

Everyone likes to skewer stats to help their arguments on the internet LOL. Happens every single day on here.

"Reasonable contributions" I am not debating.


Whether he is on the same level of a Sproles or Beckham or would he be a viable tailback were Lane and Hurd went down is highly debatable IMO.

Agree, any comparison to Sproles or Beckham is ridiculous at this point.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I really like Butch and this stuff was fun in year one but come on. Let's go coach football and win some ****ing games.

There's plenty of film of him coaching, and I'm pretty sure he has to wait until the 31st. So, I don't even know what you expected that post to accomplish.

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

There are valid points on both sides. Devrin has not done much in his career at UT, no splash plays, no punt or kickoff returns to speak of, certainly no long game changing tds. Yet, he helped stabilize the return game during Dooley's reign of terror when the effing idiot couldn't identify or develop a guy who could even field a punt.

All reports are that Devrin has done well this offseason and fall camp and that he'll contribute out of the backfield on some "special package" plays, however, I agree with JGA... if we get to where he's our first option at RB we're in trouble. He'll help in measured doses IMHO, not as a primary ball carrier.

Similarly, while he's a reliable, serviceable return guy who will do a solid job and get us in decent field position with good decisions and decent return yardage, he hasn't shown himself to be a dynamic returner thus far. Personally I'm fine with him back there, but would prefer a more dynamic big play guy back there and I'm hoping that one emerges to take those duties over. I recall thinking that Dale Carter was gonna take one to the house every time he returned a punt back in the day. I'd like to see a player like that returning kicks again and thus far DY just hasn't been that. Who know though, maybe he becomes that his senior year....looks like he's gonna be the guy so I hope he is.

Exactly.

No problem whatsoever with him as our primary return guy but it would be nice to have better options. Carter was exactly who I was thinking of during this little debate.

And if he becomes our primary RB, this team is in serious trouble. I don't think that is debatable.

Question whether a player is an all pro, hall of fame, NFL level talent and the Vollyannas have to come out in force with their media guides choock full of stats, fan card check list, and their pressurized sunshine though.

 

[sjt18]

Exactly.

No problem whatsoever with him as our primary return guy but it would be nice to have better options. Carter was exactly who I was thinking of during this little debate.

And if he becomes our primary RB, this team is in serious trouble. I don't think that is debatable.

Of course it is debatable... It is being debated right now because NONE of us have the ability to KNOW that the team will be in serious trouble if this or that happens. IMHO, he won't become the primary RB. The coaches will have to look for help elsewhere rather than expanding his role to 15+ carries per game if Hurd and Lane get hurt. But Young's ability is being recognized by this staff. That really ISN'T debatable.

Question whether a player is an all pro, hall of fame, NFL level talent and the Vollyannas have to come out in force with their media guides choock full of stats, fan card check list, and their pressurized sunshine though.

No one did that though... nor did you just question whether he had "all pro, hall of fame, NFL level talent". You've basically said he's worthless.

 

[sjt18]

No. How you infer this from anything I have said is beyond me.

Ummm, basically because I read what you wrote.

Of course, I have felt you are FOS roughly 90% of the time going back to your GVX days as well.

And unlike you, I have kept the same screen name so people would know who I am. I don't mind having been wrong or having made comments that I'd rather have back. I've learned and had fun in the process.

I am not arguing the depth chart as Young is third by default at this point.

Who said it was by default other than you? The coaches moved Young from slot to RB. They wanted him there and have praised him since moving him there.

I am saying Devrin Young being compared to the likes of Darren Sproles or Beckham is downright foolish.

Until he performs like them... I'd agree. That does not mean he's untalented like you keep suggesting.

Touting stats he padded against the likes of Austin Peay and Buffalo really doesn't impress me either.

I'm not sure the stats of any player over the past couple of years really defines what they'll do this fall. Jones says that the culture has changed. He's now deeply into implementing his program and schemes. At this point, I choose to defer to his judgment.

I'll ask it again, how many game changing plays has this player ever made? That's what we should be aspiring for out of the return game.

Saying he hasn't made plays is significantly different from what you are doing. You are saying he CAN'T make plays... and you seem to be saying it as a "truth claim" and not just your opinion.

 

[sjt18]

3 or 4 pages about our 3rd string rb'?

Not much to talk about since Worley won the QB job and Jones seems to think he doesn't suck...

 

[Other_Guy]

We probably all need to stop making decisions based on practice videos.

I'm just wondering why the main focus is whether DY is a good 3rd string?

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

Of course it is debatable... It is being debated right now because NONE of us have the ability to KNOW that the team will be in serious trouble if this or that happens. IMHO, he won't become the primary RB. The coaches will have to look for help elsewhere rather than expanding his role to 15+ carries per game if Hurd and Lane get hurt. But Young's ability is being recognized by this staff. That really ISN'T debatable.



No one did that though... nor did you just question whether he had "all pro, hall of fame, NFL level talent". You've basically said he's worthless.

I have said no such thing. Quite the contrary actually.

I said he I don't see anything in his resume to indicate he is an explosive threat in the return game to justify comparisons to NFL players.

I also said I don't see him as a legit option as a full time RB

But...whatever argument you think you need to do to inflate your e cred is fine by me.

I could care less.

I think Young is a serviceable, not great, player at best like many on this team and, no matter how many quotes and bullet point responses you pull out or inferences you make due to a lack of reading comprehension, really isn't gonna change my opinion.

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

I'm just wondering why the main focus is whether DY is a good 3rd string?

It's a diversion for me until this thunderstorm passes then I am moving on to enjoy an afternoon outside.

For some though, it's a life and death struggle to prove how much more right they are than anyone else on here is by the sheer volume of their posts.

 

[Orange_Crush]

For some Nancy's on here, berating=actually telling the truth about a player.

Young is a mediocre punt returner but is about useless as a RB.

He can catch the ball which is good but has shown little shake or true burst in his time here. Nothing that is gonna make anyone think explosive player.

Of course it is debatable... It is being debated right now because NONE of us have the ability to KNOW that the team will be in serious trouble if this or that happens. IMHO, he won't become the primary RB. The coaches will have to look for help elsewhere rather than expanding his role to 15+ carries per game if Hurd and Lane get hurt. But Young's ability is being recognized by this staff. That really ISN'T debatable.



No one did that though... nor did you just question whether he had "all pro, hall of fame, NFL level talent". You've basically said he's worthless.

I have said no such thing. Quite the contrary actually.

I said he I don't see anything in his resume to indicate he is an explosive threat in the return game to justify comparisons to NFL players.

I also said I don't see him as a legit option as a full time RB

But...whatever argument you think you need to do to inflate your e cred is fine by me.

I could care less.

I think Young is a serviceable, not great, player at best like many on this team and, no matter how many quotes and bullet point responses you pull out or inferences you make due to a lack of reading comprehension, really isn't gonna change my opinion.

Not much to infer there. You said it. Own it. It's disingenuous to lie about what you've said, and a bit useless when it's there for all the world to see.

Or do you want to reply now and pick nits about the difference between "useless" and "worthless"?

 

[sjt18]

I think Young is a serviceable, not great, player at best like many on this team and, no matter how many quotes and bullet point responses you pull out or inferences you make due to a lack of reading comprehension, really isn't gonna change my opinion.

My reading comprehension is fine. In fact, if you had only said that Young was a good but not great player then we wouldn't have had this round. As Orange Crush demonstrated... you are either trying to squirm out of what you said or somehow aren't expressing your opinion clearly/consistently.

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

Not much to infer there. You said it. Own it. It's disingenuous to lie about what you've said, and a bit useless when it's there for all the world to see.

Or do you want to reply now and pick nits about the difference between "useless" and "worthless"?

I'll be glad to own that I said Young was about useless as a running back.

Of course, if you want to argue that a player that has 155 rushing yards and 113 receiving yards in 3 seasons is going to somehow morph into an NFL level talent this year, be my guest and join the club.

 

[sjt18]

I'll be glad to own that I said Young was about useless as a running back.

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Yeah... except for the fact that when I challenged you a little on it you went ballistic and refused to "own it". I have SPECIFICALLY been talking about the fact that Jones and staff see him as having a role at RB. THEY have confidence in him apparently. You now reaffirm that you consider him "useless as a running back". So... are you wrong or is Jones wrong?

Again, your argument isn't with anyone here. No one here has the ability to give DY reps at RB... only Jones does... and HE has.

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

My reading comprehension is fine. In fact, if you had only said that Young was a good but not great player then we wouldn't have had this round. As Orange Crush demonstrated... you are either trying to squirm out of what you said or somehow aren't expressing your opinion clearly/consistently.

My opinion has been stated clearly multiple times in this thread.

The issue that you are too busy clicking quotes and working up your responses to what you think you read isn't my problem.

 

[sjt18]

My opinion has been stated clearly multiple times in this thread.

The issue that you are too busy clicking quotes and working up your responses to what you think you read isn't my problem.

OC quoted you and me... in context.

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

Yeah... except for the fact that when I challenged you a little on it you went ballistic and refused to "own it". I have SPECIFICALLY been talking about the fact that Jones and staff see him as having a role at RB. THEY have confidence in him apparently. You now reaffirm that you consider him "useless as a running back". So... are you wrong or is Jones wrong?

Again, your argument isn't with anyone here. No one here has the ability to give DY reps at RB... only Jones does... and HE has.

Ballistic? Wow. I am not the one dissecting posts and going on point by point diatribes here.

Apparently, it's a challenge for you though. Internet is certainly serious business today it seems.

And because a player may not excel at running back doesn't mean he can't have some limited value as a return guy.

You chose not to acknowledge the distinction I clearly made earlier on that point in your latest manifesto.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I'll be glad to own that I said Young was about useless as a running back.

So, the picking of the nits does come. OK.

Of course, if you want to argue that a player that has 155 rushing yards and 113 receiving yards in 3 seasons is going to somehow morph into an NFL level talent this year, be my guest and join the club.

I want to argue nothing of the such. I guess that, unlike some, I realize there is a middle ground here between useless and NFL talent, especially considering that we're discussing a 3rd string running back.

But don't let me get in the way of your excluded middle diatribe. Carry on. It's kind of like watching monkeys throw their own feces. It's fun to watch from afar.

 

[sjt18]

Ballistic? Wow. I am not the one dissecting posts and going on point by point diatribes here.

Apparently, it's a challenge for you though. Internet is certainly serious business today it seems.

And because a player may not excel at running back doesn't mean he can't have some limited value as a return guy.

You chose not to acknowledge the distinction I clearly made earlier on that point in your latest manifesto.

I'm not the one trying to run from my own words...

 

[Captain Mitch]

Are there any more days for future practice reports? Or was this the last one?

 

[Catbone]

Don't forget about Pickett

 

[SergeantVol]

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[PineyBluff Vol]

Practice 8-22 from Brent Hubbs on Vimeo

Hurd is getting it...good pad level in this video!:victory:

 

[P.O.T.S. VOL]

Patrick Brown: Butch Jones tells me freshman tailback Derrell Scott is out with a foot injury and will miss the season opener.

Why did this get 4 likes? Bad News! Just wondering!
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