Friday practice 8/22

#101
#101
005 said:
Cannot believe I just saw a Bishop Sankey : DY comparison.
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That might be a stretch, but he is being undervalued significantly in this thread. When you watch the practice videos - or go to practice - you see that he has, by far, the most burst and best agility of any back on our roster. He looks like a great athlete in the backfield. He looks better than he did last year (and that seems to be a view shared by many who are watching and reporting on practices).

He isn't going to be a phenomenal back, and we are not looking at a future NFL player, but he has the hands, the drive, and the athletic ability to be our third back in, and to cause some headaches for defenses with his running/pass catching abilities.
 
#103
#103
turambar85 said:
That might be a stretch, but he is being undervalued significantly in this thread. When you watch the practice videos - or go to practice - you see that he has, by far, the most burst and best agility of any back on our roster. He looks like a great athlete in the backfield. He looks better than he did last year (and that seems to be a view shared by many who are watching and reporting on practices).

He isn't going to be a phenomenal back, and we are not looking at a future NFL player, but he has the hands, the drive, and the athletic ability to be our third back in, and to cause some headaches for defenses with his running/pass catching abilities.
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And I'd like to see him on some two back sets, maybe split out into the slot and see what matchup he gets. That's fine occasionally. We'll use him some. But every little idea we have with him, There are 3-4 other guys that may be better suited. Now, we're not trying to run those guys into the ground, so DY will play and won't be a liability.

We'll just have to see how much the playbook is opened and what they do
 
#104
#104
Stats don't lie.. Not exactly Barry Sanders

DY
Career Receptions 14 8.1 per catch

Career Rush yards 155 3.9 per carry
 
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#105
#105
zjcvols said:
Why can't we have different opinions.

Who is berating Young?
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For some Nancy's on here, berating=actually telling the truth about a player.

Young is a mediocre punt returner but is about useless as a RB.

He can catch the ball which is good but has shown little shake or true burst in his time here. Nothing that is gonna make anyone think explosive player.
 
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#106
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Biopsyman said:
Stats don't lie

DY
Career Receptions 14 8.1 per catch

Career Rush yards 155 3.9 per carry
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And he is averaging about 4.3 over the past two years. And ran for roughly 4.4 in 18 carries against Bama and Miss. State in his sophomore year. And he is now a senior, and he is looking better than he has at any other point. Are you even trying?
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
For some Nancy's on here, berating=actually telling the truth about a player.

Young is a mediocre punt returner but is about useless as a RB.

He can catch the ball which is good but has shown little shake or true burst in his time here. Nothing that is gonna make anyone think explosive player.
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For his career DY is a 9.8 per punt return player. Only 22 (qualified) punt returners in all of FBS football had more than 9.6 last year. This same number would have been THIRD in the SEC last year. And last year DY was 24th in the country, and 4th in the SEC, in yards per kickoff return, averaging only .5 per return fewer than the touted Odell Beckham Jr.

And you can add in that he has sure hands and is a reliable returner back there. You really don't know what you're talking about.
 
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#109
#109
keckjm said:
DY is a luxury weapon that can create huge match up problems on passing downs. Very few LBs can cover DY, and his size benifits him when running between tackles because he's hard to see. He's not a true WR or a true RB. A Darren Sproles type guy. Last year he was hurt and was forced to play in the slot because of depth issues. Now, DY can play in the back field where he's more effective. He's clearly not someone who needs to be getting 10+ carries a game, but I do think he needs 4-5 touches a game because he's just a playmaker. PIG is the same way. You have to find ways to get your play makers the ball. A motion offense with PIG, DY, North, Malone, and Wolf could be deadly on passing downs. We really need to be creative offensively and put guys like PIG in motion to keep defenses on their toes. We did this against GA in the second half and it worked beautifully with PIG in motion taking jet sweeps or catching out of the flat. We have multiple weapons now so it should be fun to watch.
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Weapon.

:eek:lol:
 
#110
#110
turambar85 said:
And he is averaging about 4.3 over the past two years. And ran for roughly 4.4 in 18 carries against Bama and Miss. State in his sophomore year. And he is now a senior, and he is looking better than he has at any other point. Are you even trying?
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You are trying to pump him up to something he is not.. Nice try, now take the computer back from DY
 
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#111
I'm not entirely sure how relevant last year's stats are to the ability of DY (or anyone else) to contribute this year. The coaches seem to think he has a role as the #3 RB this year. Paulk seems destined for a RS. Scott even when healthy didn't really challenge DY. Pickett was someone who many thought could sneak into a contributing role but he hasn't passed DY either.

Its a new day in Vol football... maybe its time to give DY another chance to impress.
 
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#113
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turambar85 said:
For his career DY is a 9.8 per punt return player. Only 22 (qualified) punt returners in all of FBS football had more than 9.6 last year. This same number would have been THIRD in the SEC last year. And last year DY was 24th in the country, and 4th in the SEC, in yards per kickoff return, averaging only .5 per return fewer than the touted Odell Beckham Jr.

And you can add in that he has sure hands and is a reliable returner back there. You really don't know what you're talking about.
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That PR average you tout has dropped 3 straight years.

You take out a 43 yard return against Buffalo his freshman year and his career average drops by nearly a full yard.

How many game changing plays has this guy ever actually made?

It's pretty easy to pad some KR stats when a player is on a team with some historically bad defenses as well.

Trying to compare Young to the likes of Beckham or Sproles is foolish.

Opposing coaches are not game planning around Young and his return ability like a Brandon James. He is a decent return option at best and, if we end up relying on him at RB, this team is in trouble.
 
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sjt18 said:
Your argument isn't with posters here. Your argument is with Jones. So... just to be clear... you are saying that Jones doesn't know what he's doing, right?
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No. How you infer this from anything I have said is beyond me.

Of course, I have felt you are FOS roughly 90% of the time going back to your GVX days as well.

I am not arguing the depth chart as Young is third by default at this point.

I am saying Devrin Young being compared to the likes of Darren Sproles or Beckham is downright foolish.

Touting stats he padded against the likes of Austin Peay and Buffalo really doesn't impress me either.

I'll ask it again, how many game changing plays has this player ever made? That's what we should be aspiring for out of the return game.
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
That PR average you tout has dropped 3 straight years.

You take out a 43 yard return against Buffalo his freshman year and his career average drops by nearly a full yard.

How many game changing plays has this guy ever actually made?

It's pretty easy to pad some KR stats when a player is on a team with some historically bad defenses as well.

Trying to compare Young to the likes of Beckham or Sproles is foolish.

Opposing coaches are not game planning around Young and his return ability like a Brandon James. He is a decent return option at best and, if we end up relying on him at RB, this team is in trouble.
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You have seen the numbers. And your response is to take away plays and pick through the facts you don't like in order to explain away the fact that Devrin Young has made reasonable contributions to his team every season he has played.
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
No. How you infer this from anything I have said is beyond me.

Of course, I have felt you are FOS roughly 90% of the time going back to your GVX days as well.

I am not arguing the depth chart as Young is third by default at this point.

I am saying Devrin Young being compared to the likes of Darren Sproles or Beckham is downright foolish.

Touting stats he padded against the likes of Austin Peay and Buffalo really doesn't impress me either.

I'll ask it again, how many game changing plays has this player ever made? That's what we should be aspiring for out of the return game.
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And the punt and kick returners whose averages are equal to or lesser than Devrin's? Surely they have never returned kicks against inferior opponents.
 
#120
#120
Also Young has an amazing work ethic and an overall talented player! kid seems like he can play anywhere, but i wouldn't run him between the tackles in conference. It could hurt. lol
 
#121
#121
We probably all need to stop making decisions based on practice videos.
 
#122
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SamRebel35 said:
You have seen the numbers. And your response is to take away plays and pick through the facts you don't like in order to explain away the fact that Devrin Young has made reasonable contributions to his team every season he has played.
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There are valid points on both sides. Devrin has not done much in his career at UT, no splash plays, no punt or kickoff returns to speak of, certainly no long game changing tds. Yet, he helped stabilize the return game during Dooley's reign of terror when the effing idiot couldn't identify or develop a guy who could even field a punt.

All reports are that Devrin has done well this offseason and fall camp and that he'll contribute out of the backfield on some "special package" plays, however, I agree with JGA... if we get to where he's our first option at RB we're in trouble. He'll help in measured doses IMHO, not as a primary ball carrier.

Similarly, while he's a reliable, serviceable return guy who will do a solid job and get us in decent field position with good decisions and decent return yardage, he hasn't shown himself to be a dynamic returner thus far. Personally I'm fine with him back there, but would prefer a more dynamic big play guy back there and I'm hoping that one emerges to take those duties over. I recall thinking that Dale Carter was gonna take one to the house every time he returned a punt back in the day. I'd like to see a player like that returning kicks again and thus far DY just hasn't been that. Who know though, maybe he becomes that his senior year....looks like he's gonna be the guy so I hope he is.
 
#125
#125
SamRebel35 said:
You have seen the numbers. And your response is to take away plays and pick through the facts you don't like in order to explain away the fact that Devrin Young has made reasonable contributions to his team every season he has played.
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Sure.

Why not.

Everyone likes to skewer stats to help their arguments on the internet LOL. Happens every single day on here.

"Reasonable contributions" I am not debating.

Whether he is on the same level of a Sproles or Beckham or would he be a viable tailback were Lane and Hurd went down is highly debatable IMO.
 
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