Fromm possibly entering draft

[Atlanta917]

It's been coaching historically, IMO. Even going back into the Goff/Donnan years. Recruiting wasn't tracked back then like it is now, but remember a famous Spurrier quip after a win over Georgia one year? A reporter asked him something to the effect of "Wouldn't you say you had the more talented team today?" and he responded "You know it's funny - on signing day y'all say Georgia has all the best players but apparently on game day we have all the best players." Spurrier was exaggerating for effect, but he wasn't totally off base. Even in the 90s, Georgia was not thought to be light years behind Florida and Tennessee in terms of recruiting. Behind, yes, but not to the degree that was often reflected on the scoreboard.

Definitely agree. UGA hasn’t been able to put an elite offense with an elite defense in recent memory. While other schools have moved on from traditional offenses UGA has refused to change and I don’t see them winning a title until they catch up with the times.

 

[05_never_again]

The years of Peyton can be argued to be some of the best rosters ever. Not to have won a title with him is mind boggling. I mean Nebraska scorched us in that bowl game.

In at least a couple of the Peyton years where we lost to Florida, Tennessee was more talented. Perhaps more. At least on offense. Spurrier was simply a better coach. They were directly blocked by Florida in 1995 and 1996. In 1997, they might have been crowned champs if they beat Nebraska. The extent to which Tennessee was totally dominated in that game still kind of surprises me. Not that we lost, more how we lost.

I've heard Al Wilson say multiple times that the 1997 team was better than the 1998 team, and some have argued that the 2001 team was better than the 1998 team too.

When you get down to it, Tennessee had a team capable of winning a title in 1995-98, and perhaps 2001 (they would have run into one of the greatest CFB teams of all time in 2001 though). At least we got the one - imagine the "what ifs" if we lost the title game in 1998 or something, especially given how the last 10 years have gone. IMO, the only thing keeping Fulmer out of the category of being one of the most underachieving coaches of all time is the fact that he did win that one title.

 

[Atlanta917]

Suntrust is in an area more suitable to get the fans in getting off work, and boost early season attendance, which they lacked logistically at turner. Call me old fashion, but I miss Fulton County Stadium. To be once again two miles from the action up in the cheap seats. I have not been to Suntrust. My son has and he is 17 so it is the bomb. I'm like you though. I think I'd prefer Turner. It wasn't even close to being past it's prime. It was a great stadium. they just took an economic gamble hoping the northside will pay off.

I’m sure I’d have fun as a high school or college kid at sun trust, but I had some great times at turner.

 

[GVF]

I’m sure I’d have fun as a high school or college kid at sun trust, but I had some great times at turner.

They say the directional orientation of Suntrust does not favor pitching mistakes at all.

 

[GVF]

In at least a couple of the Peyton years where we lost to Florida, Tennessee was more talented. Perhaps more. At least on offense. Spurrier was simply a better coach. They were directly blocked by Florida in 1995 and 1996. In 1997, they might have been crowned champs if they beat Nebraska. The extent to which Tennessee was totally dominated in that game still kind of surprises me. Not that we lost, more how we lost.

I've heard Al Wilson say multiple times that the 1997 team was better than the 1998 team, and some have argued that the 2001 team was better than the 1998 team too.

When you get down to it, Tennessee had a team capable of winning a title in 1995-98, and perhaps 2001 (they would have run into one of the greatest CFB teams of all time in 2001 though). At least we got the one - imagine the "what ifs" if we lost the title game in 1998 or something, especially given how the last 10 years have gone. IMO, the only thing keeping Fulmer out of the category of being one of the most underachieving coaches of all time is the fact that he did win that one title.

Not saying we should have been Bama dominant. Talent and coaching, they have their own island. But, we should have had 3 titles roster wise since Fulmer took over.

 

[Atlanta917]

They say the directional orientation of Suntrust does not favor pitching mistakes at all.

Definitely not a pitcher friendly park. I usually get season tickets every year, so if you or 05 are ever trying to make a game let me know.

 

[GVF]

In at least a couple of the Peyton years where we lost to Florida, Tennessee was more talented. Perhaps more. At least on offense. Spurrier was simply a better coach. They were directly blocked by Florida in 1995 and 1996. In 1997, they might have been crowned champs if they beat Nebraska. The extent to which Tennessee was totally dominated in that game still kind of surprises me. Not that we lost, more how we lost.

I've heard Al Wilson say multiple times that the 1997 team was better than the 1998 team, and some have argued that the 2001 team was better than the 1998 team too.

When you get down to it, Tennessee had a team capable of winning a title in 1995-98, and perhaps 2001 (they would have run into one of the greatest CFB teams of all time in 2001 though). At least we got the one - imagine the "what ifs" if we lost the title game in 1998 or something, especially given how the last 10 years have gone. IMO, the only thing keeping Fulmer out of the category of being one of the most underachieving coaches of all time is the fact that he did win that one title.

Agreed on Fulmer. Great coach. Had great years. Seems like a great person. Met him at a speaking function in Cookeville 2 years ago that the local Baptist church does at the start of every high school season here. They had Josh Dobbs last year. Not sure about this year as my son had to sit out due to injury. But, I digress. Fulmer with all the success he did have, missed on the titles. But, so did Mack Brown at Texas. He may have under achieved even more than anyone else of the era.

 

[GVF]

Definitely not a pitcher friendly park. I usually get season tickets every year, so if you or 05 are ever trying to make a game let me know.

Grew up in Griffin. lived there till early 30's. transferred to Hartwell for 16 years. Now in Cookeville, TN (my dads home place) but we come back fairly often with her family. Would like to take you up on that. My son loves the Braves. He's trying to find a Mike minor jersey now for xmas, but are getting hard to come by. Especially affordable. how bout some contact info i can put up in my phone?

 

[05_never_again]

Not saying we should have been Bama dominant. Talent and coaching, they have their own island. But, we should have had 3 titles roster wise since Fulmer took over.

I maintain Fulmer should have won 2 - 1996 and 1998.

In 1995, our only loss was to Florida, but Florida got beat 62-24 by Nebraska in the title game that year. Perhaps Nebraska was just too good. In 1997, we actually did have a shot at the title in the last game of the year, but were dominated by Nebraska. Again, maybe they were just too good that year. In 2001, we absolutely should have been in the title game, but I think Miami might have just been too good. That leaves 1996 and 1998.

Maybe the more frustrating thing is the number of additional SEC titles we could/should have won. That goes for the same years we've been discussing - 1995-98, and 2001. Could have been 5 in 7 years, and absolutely should have been 3 in a 5 year span (1997, 1998, and 2001).

 

[GVF]

I maintain Fulmer should have won 2 - 1996 and 1998.

In 1995, our only loss was to Florida, but Florida got beat 62-24 by Nebraska in the title game that year. Perhaps Nebraska was just too good. In 1997, we actually did have a shot at the title in the last game of the year, but were dominated by Nebraska. Again, maybe they were just too good that year. In 2001, we absolutely should have been in the title game, but I think Miami might have just been too good. That leaves 1996 and 1998.

Maybe the more frustrating thing is the number of additional SEC titles we could/should have won. That goes for the same years we've been discussing - 1995-98, and 2001. Could have been 5 in 7 years, and absolutely should have been 3 in a 5 year span (1997, 1998, and 2001).

Agreed. No title is easy to come by, but you do have less control over NC's by nature, especially then with the voting and BCS.. But, the SEC titles should have happened. Now, you just need to squeeze into the top 4, then handle business. Regardless, an SEC title in any year or era virtually locks in a shot at a NC.

 

[GVF]

I maintain Fulmer should have won 2 - 1996 and 1998.

In 1995, our only loss was to Florida, but Florida got beat 62-24 by Nebraska in the title game that year. Perhaps Nebraska was just too good. In 1997, we actually did have a shot at the title in the last game of the year, but were dominated by Nebraska. Again, maybe they were just too good that year. In 2001, we absolutely should have been in the title game, but I think Miami might have just been too good. That leaves 1996 and 1998.

Maybe the more frustrating thing is the number of additional SEC titles we could/should have won. That goes for the same years we've been discussing - 1995-98, and 2001. Could have been 5 in 7 years, and absolutely should have been 3 in a 5 year span (1997, 1998, and 2001).

Yep. 2001. Year of the Ice Man.

 

[Atlanta917]

Grew up in Griffin. lived there till early 30's. transferred to Hartwell for 16 years. Now in Cookeville, TN (my dads home place) but we come back fairly often with her family. Would like to take you up on that. My son loves the Braves. He's trying to find a Mike minor jersey now for xmas, but are getting hard to come by. Especially affordable. how bout some contact info i can put up in my phone?

My office is actually right across the street from sun trust at the peach tree healthcare building. If you give me your email I can send you my contact info.

 

[GVF]

My office is actually right across the street from sun trust at the peach tree healthcare building. If you give me your email I can send you my contact info.

sicummins@live.com

 

[Atlanta917]

sicummins@live.com

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[GVF]

I maintain Fulmer should have won 2 - 1996 and 1998.

In 1995, our only loss was to Florida, but Florida got beat 62-24 by Nebraska in the title game that year. Perhaps Nebraska was just too good. In 1997, we actually did have a shot at the title in the last game of the year, but were dominated by Nebraska. Again, maybe they were just too good that year. In 2001, we absolutely should have been in the title game, but I think Miami might have just been too good. That leaves 1996 and 1998.

Maybe the more frustrating thing is the number of additional SEC titles we could/should have won. That goes for the same years we've been discussing - 1995-98, and 2001. Could have been 5 in 7 years, and absolutely should have been 3 in a 5 year span (1997, 1998, and 2001).

I feel the same about Griffin High football in GA. My high school. With all the players to ever walk the sidelines there, only 1 state title. Several appearances at the dome, But only 1979, when we tied Valdosta, at Valdosta. They were not kosher with getting tied. 55 players have passed through Griffin High that ended up in the pros. Not all graduated from GHS, but did play there at least one or two years. We fell off for about a decade as the Atlanta area schools surged, but have found our way back. In my day we were a 3 year HS playing in 4A which was the largest bracket at the time. Now it goes up to 6A or 8A, and we are now 5A, with a 3A county HS split off. But, we are back to perennial Top 10, with several Final 4's lately.

 

[GVF]

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Thanks for the offer. Will work out details when it comes around.

 

[BAMA-DAWG]

Eason's performance was more than adequate to earn a shot at getting his job back. And had a better year at UW this year after finally getting back on the field. There's arguments both ways. Personally, I just thought Eason was the better choice. But, he was a Richt recruit for his system, so there is that. I actually thought Eason would have decommitted after Richt was fired and followed him to Miami or stay home at least. didn't expect to see him show up for Smart.

Smart and Chaney both felt it was priorty #1 to keep commit Eason in the fold at UGA after Mark Richt was let go. He had interest in UF as well as UW, but he elected to honor his commitment and sign with UGA. Having lost a couple other QB commitments following Richt's firing the pressure was on to retain Eason's services at QB. Tells me that Kirby had confidence in Eason. Indeed, he played decently as a freshman, but after he got hurt and lost the starting job, Fromm's freshman numbers proved to be better. He also took them to the Natty and most thought he made enough plays to win. As a sophomore, Fromm continued to improve and put up even better numbers. I believe that's the reason so many are confounded by Fromm's performance this year. I don't think he forgot how to play. I concur with Kirby's assessment, the turnover of the WR room was the major contributor to the lower production by Fromm this year. They were running the same formations, same plays, as the last two years. If anything, the O-line was better, giving him more time, fewer sacks, etc. But it seems like he was often on a different page than his WRs. I would like to see him come back because there doesn't appear to be a reliable Plan B, but anybody's guess as to what he will do.

 

[BAMA-DAWG]

He's the best WR that's been there in a while. With Blaylock having a complete ACL tear, he may be the only thing they have next year too. Simmons and Landers are both mediocre at best. UGA has Rosemy committed, but hes a possession receiver like Pickens. UGA's issue is lack of a deep threat. If UGA misses out on Arian Smith to Bama then they won't have one next year either. Kind of interesting the best receivers in the SEC this year have all been 6'1 or under burners. Chase, Smith, and Jeudy all fit that mold. Jauan Jennings is the only big body receiver I can think of having a great year in the SEC besides Pickens/Cager.

I expected to see Li'l James Cook used as a Mecole Hardman clone. Think he has the speed in the slot and would prove elusive in space. They just never seemed to get him the ball there. Also thought D-Rob should have been able to take the top of the defense. Never really saw it happen though.

 

[Atlanta917]

I expected to see Li'l James Cook used as a Mecole Hardman clone. Think he has the speed in the slot and would prove elusive in space. They just never seemed to get him the ball there. Also thought D-Rob should have been able to take the top of the defense. Never really saw it happen though.

Crazy to me that cook isn’t transferring. He could be a starter elsewhere, yet is getting limited touches at UGA. Not sure if the fault lies with the receivers or coley, but apparently smart thinks Coley didn’t get a fair shot this year due to injuries so he’ll be back next year.

 

[BAMA-DAWG]

Crazy to me that cook isn’t transferring. He could be a starter elsewhere, yet is getting limited touches at UGA. Not sure if the fault lies with the receivers or coley, but apparently smart thinks Coley didn’t get a fair shot this year due to injuries so he’ll be back next year.

I hope they get a little off-season consulting and torque that offense up a notch. It really shouldn't be that hard with the pieces they have to work with.

 

[Atlanta917]

Plus a lack of WR's

Rumor is there’s about to be less UGA WR’s.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

Jackson is 6'2 which is a bit on the shorter end for NFL QB's. Seems like most ppl think dual threat college QB's are system QB's and their skill set won't translate to the NFL. Whether its true or made true by the fact that NFL teams weren't running college offenses, who knows. Looking back there are a ton of heisman winning dual threat QB's that didn't make it in the NFL for various reasons.

Honestly think Burrow's greatest quality is his pocket awareness/elusiveness. There were times I thought UGA had him for a massive sack and he either ran for 19 yards or threw a 60 yard bomb and it happened repeatedly.

Haven't watched too much of Clemson, but they seem to be able to run it down team's throats or throw on them. Not sure if their offense is just that balanced or a product of beating up on bad competition. Either way, Trevor Lawrence balled out in the playoffs last year.

All of the above, re: Clemson.
Pick your poison.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

Agreed. No title is easy to come by, but you do have less control over NC's by nature, especially then with the voting and BCS.. But, the SEC titles should have happened. Now, you just need to squeeze into the top 4, then handle business. Regardless, an SEC title in any year or era virtually locks in a shot at a NC.

Was that the year that we got way down to UF early, and Fulmer panicked going for 2-point conversions (both failed) and going for it on 4th an goal from outside the 10 a couple of times with zero points?

If I remember correctly, we lost that game by three or four points and left 8 on the field if we just run the four kicks and make them.

Fulmer admitted after that game that he and some of the other coaches panicked after the bad start.

We definitely had a better team, but the game got in our coaches heads.

 

[LouderVol]

Kinda off topic but I think the reason you see some programs slip and slide are just due to the game outside the game evolving.

Back in the early days it was simply who had the best team, as far as who played the best together. Not individual players or squads. Think military academy's where team work is part of what they do, and Neyland. Then recruiting became a thing and you saw some schools move up or down as coaches recruited locally in the 50s into the 70s. This obviously favors some more than others. Then by the time you get to the 80s and 90s it was more about the system, think Nebraska having one of the first full time S&Cs. Now it's become a national recruiting game. Both as far as distance but also depth of getting into local talents think a Florida or Texas 3* vs a Iowa 4*. That florida kid has probably been prepped for a national game. And that again changed the landscape.

 

[Atlanta917]

Kinda off topic but I think the reason you see some programs slip and slide are just due to the game outside the game evolving.

Back in the early days it was simply who had the best team, as far as who played the best together. Not individual players or squads. Think military academy's where team work is part of what they do, and Neyland. Then recruiting became a thing and you saw some schools move up or down as coaches recruited locally in the 50s into the 70s. This obviously favors some more than others. Then by the time you get to the 80s and 90s it was more about the system, think Nebraska having one of the first full time S&Cs. Now it's become a national recruiting game. Both as far as distance but also depth of getting into local talents think a Florida or Texas 3* vs a Iowa 4*. That florida kid has probably been prepped for a national game. And that again changed the landscape.

I’d agree with this. Schools that are more willing to break tradition have succeeded. UGA has stuck with pro style while UF won championships with spread concepts. Lincoln Riley has made the playoffs every year adjusting to his QB’s strengths. OU turned into a power run team with Hurts at QB and still made it despite the change. That’s why Kirby needs an elite OC. He has defense down, but the offense is a mess and I think most would agree Coley isn’t the answer.