FSU and Miami to SEC—Just a hunch

#26
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dukes_of_maggard said:
UofL is not an AAU school and will not get into the Big Ten
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shoot, forgot about that one.


Anyways, basic point is that there will be a readjustment in the next couple years to get to a handful of 16 team superconferences. Then we will have 4 divisions, and a divisional championship game will be the first round of the new playoff system.

The Divisional Champions will play each other in the Conference Championships.

Then the conference champions will come together with some at large teams to make a QuarterFinal round in the middle tier of the bowl system.

Semi Finals in the Big 4 Bowl games.

Final game.


That should be, and I suspect eventually WILL be, the future of the NCAA Championship.

Note: there will be no independents. ND will have to choose a league or stay home.
 
#27
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TrueOrange said:
Big 10 and Notre dame is a pretty charred bridge at this point regarding conference membership. They'd really, really have to be forced their...and I'm not sure that the Big 10 ends up that destination at this point
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ND will not go anywhere else in football. They will be forced to the Big Ten eventually. Any other conference would ruin their midwest tradition.
 
#28
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GatorBill said:
shoot, forgot about that one.


Anyways, basic point is that there will be a readjustment in the next couple years to get to a handful of 16 team superconferences. Then we will have 4 divisions, and a divisional championship game will be the first round of the new playoff system.

The Divisional Champions will play each other in the Conference Championships.

Then the conference champions will come together with some at large teams to make a QuarterFinal round in the middle tier of the bowl system.

Semi Finals in the Big 4 Bowl games.

Final game.


That should be, and I suspect eventually WILL be, the future of the NCAA Championship.

Note: there will be no independents. ND will have to choose a league or stay home.
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It all won't happen, especially that quickly.

It's a nice, creative little idea to think about though


(not saying such to insultingly though, so don't take as such)
 
#29
#29
TrueOrange said:
It all won't happen, especially that quickly.

It's a nice, creative little idea to think about though


(not saying such to insultingly though, so don't take as such)
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I gotcha. :good!:


I think it will take a little while, but sometimes these guys start to roll on things and it happens faster than we could anticipate. (see mizzou, and nebraska)

It makes a lot of sense to go to something like this to me. I think it would make things very interesting. And it would make the Regular Season schedule very interesting.
 
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GatorBill said:
ND will not go anywhere else in football. They will be forced to the Big Ten eventually. Any other conference would ruin their midwest tradition.
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Except the ACC and Big 12 would, at the very least, let them keep their TV deal (and really as of last season, the Notre dame - big 10 expansion relationship was said to be so strained that much of the professional word had them more likely to end up a member of the the ACC than the big 10)



It's all a bit much to speculate on anyways. Until something comes up saying they have to play *in* a conference/ be a conference champion to play in a national title or just major bowl game, they're going to keep their independence...it, too, is one of their long proud traditions
 
#31
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TrueOrange said:
I'm not sure NC State's even as plausible as message boards and some of the bloggers like to make it
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They may not be. The tobacco road bunch does stick together. I think the speculation is there because NCSt has never appeared to be as attached at the hip as UNC and Duke.
 
#32
#32
GatorBill said:
I gotcha. :good!:


I think it will take a little while, but sometimes these guys start to roll on things and it happens faster than we could anticipate. (see mizzou, and nebraska)

It makes a lot of sense to go to something like this to me. I think it would make things very interesting. And it would make the Regular Season schedule very interesting.
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I understand, but even with the current trends these conferences have only expanded by - at most - 1-2 major teams at a time (save the big east's on the brink move).
(recall back before the big 10 expansion, they were rumored/expected to be taking/ inviting either 3 schools to get to 14 or even 4 plus Notre Dame to hit 16...in the end they really only took 1)



Anything requiring more than that is just, well it would require some massive event chaotically shaking up all the universities.

These things almost never move as quickly as rumors...(I'm not even sure a conference had added 4 schools at once since the big 8 expansion following the absolute implosion of the Southwest conference)
 
#33
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GatorBill said:
ND will not go anywhere else in football. They will be forced to the Big Ten eventually. Any other conference would ruin their midwest tradition.
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They have fans everywhere. Considering this expanision talk is nothing more than a dollars race, the SEC should approach ND. For every fan they lost in the midwest they'd add one or more.
 
#34
#34
TrueOrange said:
Except the ACC and Big 12 would, at the very least, let them keep their TV deal (and really as of last season, the Notre dame - big 10 expansion relationship was said to be so strained that much of the professional word had them more likely to end up a member of the the ACC than the big 10)



It's all a bit much to speculate on anyways. Until something comes up saying they have to play *in* a conference/ be a conference champion to play in a national title or just major bowl game, they're going to keep their independence...it, too, is one of their long proud traditions
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I agree completely. Their hand will absolutely have to be forced. And maybe at that time the Big Ten will have to give a little on the TV network issue.

Football Independence is indeed one of the most important traditions, but that will have to end eventually. But I think that so much of their history is tied to the Big Ten that they just wont walk away from it. I think it is what has kept them from signing with the ACC or the Big12 before now. Because both of those leagues would clearly, as you say, allow them to keep their little TV deal.
 
#35
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JokermanVol said:
They have fans everywhere. Considering this expanision talk is nothing more than a dollars race, the SEC should approach ND. For every fan they lost in the midwest they'd add one or more.
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We also have to consider travel expenses. ND may be one of the wealthiest schools in the country, but they got that way by being smart about how they spent their money.

Joining the SEC would require sending softball, golf, baseball, track, WHoops, lacrosse, volleyball, swimming, rowing, etc, on the road. The travel expenses and the time required to be away from classes, would be a huge factor.
 
#36
#36
JokermanVol said:
They have fans everywhere. Considering this expanision talk is nothing more than a dollars race, the SEC should approach ND. For every fan they lost in the midwest they'd add one or more.
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A vast majority of Notre Dame fans are only connected to Notre Dame through religion: they are Catholics, more specifically, Catholics with Irish heritage. This is why Notre Dame is so beloved in the Midwest and the Northeast; moving to the SEC would not result in much of an increased fan base for ND; further, it would keep their existing fan base (the MW and NE) from attending around half of their games.
 
#37
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bamawriter said:
They may not be. The tobacco road bunch does stick together. I think the speculation is there because NCSt has never appeared to be as attached at the hip as UNC and Duke.
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True but also a lot of that seemingly has come up, speculation-wise, because of the little brother relationship a&m had with Texas (& that presumably, NC st also had the same type of relationship with the NC schools, being the 3rd biggest show in the state)


I think people are missing (or just ignoring) possibly a big issue with them - their board of trustees, the ones who would make such a decision: a 13 member board (possibly only 12 vote in such a case, I believe Missouri's student government president wasn't allowed in the vote)

Of those members, 8 trustees are elected by the UNC board of governors.

I'm not sure the likelihood that 2-6 people that are put in place by UNC would ever okay such a move. (/ ever okay such a move to leave their conference, and at the same time leave UNC)

(though i do understand money is often the driver in all these moves)
 
#40
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therealUT said:
A vast majority of Notre Dame fans are only connected to Notre Dame through religion: they are Catholics, more specifically, Catholics with Irish heritage. This is why Notre Dame is so beloved in the Midwest and the Northeast; moving to the SEC would not result in much of an increased fan base for ND; further, it would keep their existing fan base (the MW and NE) from attending around half of their games.
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Good points, didn't think about those connections. Unfortrunately the trend shows that athletic departments don't care if they alienate their fans.
 
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JokermanVol said:
Good points, didn't think about those connections. Unfortrunately the trend shows that athletic departments don't care if they alienate their fans.
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Unless you alienate mega boosters then gets sketchy. Do boosters bring in more thsn proposed tv revenue?
 
#43
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milohimself said:
VA Tech maybe. I would be stunned if Clemson or UNC got an invite.
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Vtech for sure would be in talks. UNC would be the other, but they run the ACC, so i doubt they leave. I think Clemson would be a great choice, but South Carolina, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky have this stupid pact about keeping FSU, Miami, GA Tech, Clemson, and Louisville out.
 
#46
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bamawriter said:
OP,

You clearly have not been paying much attention. The SEC does not covet FSU in the least. If we'd wanted them, they would be in already.
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Im not sure the feeling is mutual tho. At least from the perspective of on the field. The only draw to them would be the $ bump they would get by switching.
 
#48
#48
I think we'd be a lot more receptive to taking Duke than people think. Taking UNC and Duke officially makes the SEC the cream of the crop in football and basketball, as well as women's basketball and soccer. The best addition for the SEC, at this time, would be those 2. It gives us the entire southeast (save Virginia) and makes us THE power in the 2 biggest sports.
 
#49
#49
crusse10 said:
I think we'd be a lot more receptive to taking Duke than people think. Taking UNC and Duke officially makes the SEC the cream of the crop in football and basketball, as well as women's basketball and soccer. The best addition for the SEC, at this time, would be those 2. It gives us the entire southeast (save Virginia) and makes us THE power in the 2 biggest sports.
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Expansion isn't about the quality of the competition, it's about market share. Yes, a higher profile in basketball would generate more TV revenue, but not enough to increase the per team revenue. That's what it would take to justify bringing in two teams from the same market.
 
#50
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bamawriter said:
Expansion isn't about the quality of the competition, it's about market share. Yes, a higher profile in basketball would generate more TV revenue, but not enough to increase the per team revenue. That's what it would take to justify bringing in two teams from the same market.
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Legitimacy of the basketball league is worth bringing in 2 of the best basketball schools of all time, even if they are from the same market. Right now, other than UK, basketball in the SEC is a joke right now. Tennessee, a team in the NIT, earned a first round bye in the SEC tournament. That shouldn't happen.
 
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