Fulmer debate extravaganza (merged)

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2ironVol said:
Obviously, you need to brush up on the definition of evolve. Also, you are talking UT, right? Otherwise, it's another delusional comment from someone obviously ill informed. If you really believe Fulmer is one of the greatest coaches of all time, you have much learning to do. That's reality, Son
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Delusional is getting old.....son. CPF was in one position and then gradully developed (evolved) into a HOF coach.....son.
 
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volfanecs said:
Delusional is getting old.....son. CPF was in one position and then gradully developed (evolved) into a HOF coach.....son.
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Still isn't considered one of the greatest coaches ever. Being in the HOF isn't necessarily indicative of being a "great" coach. Of course, people who don't know any better, generally throw around the word "great" pretty loosely (as you have done) without any real thought. When your best year is in the first half of your tenure and then you gradually slide(all fact), it's not evolving. Evolving is the same as continuous improvement. Phillip really never displayed that type of trend. It's not opinion either

It's ok. It's likely you don't any better than to realize you're out of your league here
 
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2ironVol said:
Still isn't considered one of the greatest coaches ever. Being in the HOF isn't necessarily indicative of being a "great" coach. Of course, people who don't know any better, generally throw around the word "great" pretty loosely (as you have done) without any real thought. When your best year is in the first half of your tenure and then you gradually slide(all fact), it's not evolving. Evolving is the same as continuous improvement. Phillip really never displayed that type of trend. It's not opinion either

It's ok. It's likely you don't any better than to realize you're out of your league here
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Well at least you did not say"delusional". And if anyone is out of their league, that would be you.
 
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2ironVol said:
Still isn't considered one of the greatest coaches ever. Being in the HOF isn't necessarily indicative of being a "great" coach. Of course, people who don't know any better, generally throw around the word "great" pretty loosely (as you have done) without any real thought. When your best year is in the first half of your tenure and then you gradually slide(all fact), it's not evolving. Evolving is the same as continuous improvement. Phillip really never displayed that type of trend. It's not opinion either

It's ok. It's likely you don't any better than to realize you're out of your league here
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i think your wrong
Hall of Fame and Great are synonymous
 
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volfanecs said:
Well at least you did not say"delusional". And if anyone is out of their league, that would be you.
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:birgits_giggle:

Yeah, right. You won't hear me claim someone that gradually got worse during the second half of his only head coaching gig as someone who evolved.

Seeing how you've seemingly stepped up to the plate, specifically chronologize Fulmer's career and how and where he evolved
 
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2ironVol said:
:birgits_giggle:

Yeah, right. You won't hear me claim someone that gradually got worse during the second half of his only head coaching gig as someone who evolved.

Seeing how you've seemingly stepped up to the plate, specifically chronologize Fulmer's career and how and where he evolved
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this seems like the best thread..

hearing he might have been elected to the College Football Hall of Fame..
 
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The man that alot of Vol fans said sucked and wanted to run out on a rail because winning 70% of his games wasn't enough, has in fact been elected to the College Football HOF.
 
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volfanecs said:
The best spin of them all. He never rebuilt...he maintained.
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Volfanecs, the spin is coming from your direction in maintaining that reloading and rebuilding are the same. They are distinctly different. Fortunately for us and CPF was a good reloader/recruiter and he DIDN'T HAVE to rebuild.
 
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vol_in_il said:
i think he meant that in 2008, we had an outlook that would have been better. Since we had an expectation that Hamilton would hire a quality coach, that could improve Tennessee. Instead we all know what's gone down..
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Please don't include me in your "we all" until CDD gets fired. It's like the president speaking for the "American People". I strongly disagree with him and with you. I don't see CDD getting axed until at least during or after the 2013 season if at all. After that I will bow to all of the nay sayers wisdom.
 
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TNGlen said:
Please don't include me in your "we all" until CDD gets fired. It's like the president speaking for the "American People". I strongly disagree with him and with you. I don't see CDD getting axed until at least during or after the 2013 season if at all. After that I will bow to all of the nay sayers wisdom.
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take it how ever you want...but you do know enough that Hamilton made 2 rash hires, that set Tennessee back probably a decade, there's nothing to back up your expectations that Dooley will be a winner
 
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2ironVol said:
Still isn't considered one of the greatest coaches ever. Being in the HOF isn't necessarily indicative of being a "great" coach. Of course, people who don't know any better, generally throw around the word "great" pretty loosely (as you have done) without any real thought. When your best year is in the first half of your tenure and then you gradually slide(all fact), it's not evolving. Evolving is the same as continuous improvement. Phillip really never displayed that type of trend. It's not opinion either

It's ok. It's likely you don't any better than to realize you're out of your league here
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vol_in_il said:
i think your wrong
Hall of Fame and Great are synonymous
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You are both out of your league!!!! Grandsons! :eek:lol: CPF is a great coach the same way that Shug Jordan was a great coach at AU. If it hadn't been for the Bear, Jordan would have been the man. If it hadn't been for Spurrier, CPF would have been the man. I think he deserves the HOF. I think he WAS a great coach. He just didn't maintain his greatness, he rested on his accomplishments and it bit him and The UT.
 
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GmanTN said:
No spin just the truth, Phil was a solid recruiter until he got complacent around 2001-2002. When Cut left for Ole Miss, Phil never felt as comfortable with Sanders calling the plays. He started focusing more on offensive schemes (OC) and less on recruiting (OL "his strong suit").

When the 2005 season blew up and Phil forced Sanders to resign, Randy became the scapegoat that Phil needed to buy some time. Cutcliffe was fired in 2004 and Phil knew he needed someone he trusted with his offense. He goes out and gets Cut to come back for the 2006 campaign. Phil then realizes how far the talent had gone down during the time Cut was gone.

Unfortunately for Phil after the 2007 campaign Cutcliffe would become the next HC at Duke after showing the country he still had it during those 2 years with the Vols going 9-4 then 10-4 in 2007. It also shows looking back now that either Phil had indeed been to involved in the offense or Randy Sanders was terrible even though he was the one who coached us in the NC game.

The hiring of Clawson in 2008 was a terrible hire for Phil, the offense was a total cluster ****. Players could not line up properly, the frustration from both players and coaches was clearly noticeable. The weakness of the OL stood out like a sore thumb and that was always a trademark of a Fulmer OL to be just the opposite (lack of recruiting on Phils part)

So to answer your question Volfanecs. all Phil had to have done was maintaine, he didn't and the damage was done.
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Randy Sanders NEVER called the plays. The offense from the time Cutt left until he came back was CPF's version of Cutt's offense. Sanders was set up to fail. Had CPF let Sanders come into his own and stayed with what he did best, we may not be having this conversation.
 
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TNGlen said:
Randy Sanders NEVER called the plays. The offense from the time Cutt left until he came back was CPF's version of Cutt's offense. Sanders was set up to fail. Had CPF let Sanders come into his own and stayed with what he did best, we may not be having this conversation.
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randy had the play calls glen. I have to disagree. CPF was in the meeting room a lot more helping game plan, but CRS play called.. he lost some game planning battles and certainly that can impact a play caller..
 
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LWSVOL said:
randy had the play calls glen. I have to disagree. CPF was in the meeting room a lot more helping game plan, but CRS play called.. he lost some game planning battles and certainly that can impact a play caller..
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You are absolutely correct. Randy was calling the plays, but I refuse to believe that the offense was Randy's offense. I firmly believe that Randy was told what the offense was going to be and had to live within it. It had CPF's fingerprints all over it. It's just my opine though and as usual, it probably stinks.
 
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Programs cycle.. he would have had us back up in a year or two. And we would be much better off then we are now.

Plus it was more political then anything... jmo
 
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TNGlen said:
You are absolutely correct. Randy was calling the plays, but I refuse to believe that the offense was Randy's offense. I firmly believe that Randy was told what the offense was going to be and had to live within it. It had CPF's fingerprints all over it. It's just my opine though and as usual, it probably stinks.
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oh no, he was much more involved with game planning than with Cut. Cut always reviewed game plan with him and CPF always had veto power on plays..

the one at arkansas where Ainge sprained his ankle was a CPF over ride that Cut got POed over.. he was livid post game right outside locker room.. 2006 I think where McFaddon and Jones ran crazy over Tennessee
 
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