Fulmer debate extravaganza (merged)

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GreveHaller said:
Seriously, you need to learn about business and that's exactly what UT football is. You can love a job and you can love a company but in the end its a business where you work and they pay you. He had a contract just like those in your example had a contract. Both sides agreed and both held up to their end of it. Simple.

Basic labor law does not allow for a company to withdraw any monies owed, whether in salary or bonus, without timely notification to the employee. Rightly or wrongly, Citicorp and all those other bank had to pay the bonuses or they would have been in violation of labor laws then been subject to treble damages. So which is better Einstein - paying the bonus one time or paying it 3 times?

Stay in school. They real world is going to rape you.
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That's what I thought.
 
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bamacheats said:
I have read Inky's book. Fulmer is arrogant.

The 6 mil wasn't Hamilton's to give away or Fulmer's too take. No, but it was the BOR's to give him. If it was in his contract (I don't think it was), it was his, if it was "given" to him by the BOR, then, it was his. If he broke into the Bursar's office and counterfeited a contract, then he stole it. Maybe that is something that you should look into?

I guess those Citigroup execs also earned those bonuses from the bailout. Bonuses do not equal severance. You are laughable, I don't think the $$$ that CPF was given as a severance had anything to do with a failed socialist policy like the bailout. But, if that is how your mind works, all I can say is "You can't fix stoooopid.
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bamacheats said:
I'm sure your definition of "the real world" is pretty comical.
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Probably is if you have never lived in it. The real world works much differently than you fantasy one. Hey, are you auditioning for VolBeef's #2 B****? You are going to have to knock NorthKnoxVol out of the way.
 
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bamacheats said:
Fulmer could've been a legend but complacentcy kept him from it.
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Nonsense. He's a legend. Complacency ended his career, but he still has one of the winningest records in the modern era and a national championship to go with it. How many non-legends are in the College Football Hall of Fame?
 
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bamacheats said:
Fulmer could've been a legend but complacentcy kept him from it.
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if i offered you an opportunity to relive the fulmer era in its entirely, you'd take it.

i will confess something. if you offered me the fulmer era at florida to be the next 16 years right now, i'd take it.
 
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dlw4n said:
Nonsense. He's a legend. Complacency ended his career, but he still has one of the winningest records in the modern era and a national championship to go with it. How many non-legends are in the College Football Hall of Fame?
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No he's not. Neyland is. Bear is.
 
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dlw4n said:
Nonsense. He's a legend. Complacency ended his career, but he still has one of the winningest records in the modern era and a national championship to go with it. How many non-legends are in the College Football Hall of Fame?
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The answer would probably surprise you.
 
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dlw4n said:
Nonsense. He's a legend. Complacency ended his career, but he still has one of the winningest records in the modern era and a national championship to go with it. How many non-legends are in the College Football Hall of Fame?
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He's only a legend in his and your minds. If he's so great, then why won't anyone hire him for coaching football? Cat got your tongue? I thought so. I rest my case. If he's REALLY a HOF coach, why won't anyone hire him? Because everyone knows he's not willing to work any more, he just wants another prestigous position. I'm sure he would like another coaching gig to prove the naysayers wrong, like me, but he's too arrogant and think he only deserves to coach an SEC team. Again, if he's so great why won't anyone hire him? That's an easy answer--they know him.
 
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chuck0303 said:
He's only a legend in his and your minds. If he's so great, then why won't anyone hire him for coaching football? Cat got your tongue? I thought so. I rest my case. If he's REALLY a HOF coach, why won't anyone hire him? Because everyone knows he's not willing to work any more, he just wants another prestigous position. I'm sure he would like another coaching gig to prove the naysayers wrong, like me, but he's too arrogant and think he only deserves to coach an SEC team. Again, if he's so great why won't anyone hire him? That's an easy answer--they know him.
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Lou Holtz is a legend, but he isn't exactly racking up offers these days. Being a legend doesn't mean that you are in current demand. Fulmer's current status has nothing to do with this. This is about the prestige and legacy of his previous accomplishments. He's washed up now (in that he is unhireable) but that doesn't mean anything about what he did in 14 of his 16 years here.

Fulmer is 61 years old and far past his prime. That's like saying Michael Jordan wasn't a legend cause he really sucked when he played for the Wizards. At the height of his career, Fulmer was one of the best 2-3 coaches in the country and maintained that statues for nearly a decade.
 
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chuck0303 said:
He's only a legend in his and your minds. If he's so great, then why won't anyone hire him for coaching football? Cat got your tongue? I thought so. I rest my case. If he's REALLY a HOF coach, why won't anyone hire him? Because everyone knows he's not willing to work any more, he just wants another prestigous position. I'm sure he would like another coaching gig to prove the naysayers wrong, like me, but he's too arrogant and think he only deserves to coach an SEC team. Again, if he's so great why won't anyone hire him? That's an easy answer--they know him.
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What was the average win loss 10 yrs. prior to Fulmer?What was Fulmers average win loss per yr?
What has our win loss average been post Fulmer?

I'm guessing that Fulmer only wants a top teir job and unfortunatly for him, no Top teir school wants a Old coach.
 
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He's pretty legendary if you ask me. Besides posting a career 74% winning percentage (152-52) and winning the first BCS national championship, Fulmer appeared in 5 SEC championship games. He won 2 SEC titles. He won or shared the SEC East 6 times. He posted 6 top ten finishes and 13 top twenty five finishes. Yeah, I think he's pretty legendary.
 
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chuck0303 said:
He's only a legend in his and your minds. If he's so great, then why won't anyone hire him for coaching football? Cat got your tongue? I thought so. I rest my case. If he's REALLY a HOF coach, why won't anyone hire him? Because everyone knows he's not willing to work any more, he just wants another prestigous position. I'm sure he would like another coaching gig to prove the naysayers wrong, like me, but he's too arrogant and think he only deserves to coach an SEC team. Again, if he's so great why won't anyone hire him? That's an easy answer--they know him.
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So by this same logic Bobby Bowden isn't a legend either? He was forced out at FSU and nobody is beating down his door with top jobs either.
(Bobby Bowden writes about being forced out by Florida State)
 
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