Fulmer debate extravaganza (merged)

[hatvol96]

I don't know. He used to claim that the best thing UT could do was promise Cutcliffe the head coaching position in order to retain him as our offensive coordinator.

That wasn't funny. It was simply moronic.

 

[lawgator1]

I don't know. He used to claim that the best thing UT could do was promise Cutcliffe the head coaching position in order to retain him as our offensive coordinator.

Ah, yes, the Jimbo Fisher model. Not working out so good for Jimbo right now -- looks like when he does inherit the team, it'll be a mess.

 

[utmba93]

I'm not trying to do anything. I'm telling you what's going to happen. Sooner than later, you're gone. This movie always has the same ending. You're just another sequel.

That would help explain why this board is so far off base with all the negativism versus the other boards.

 

[hatvol96]

That would help explain why this board is so far off base with all the negativism versus the other boards.

No, it would explain why mindless homers who make imbecilic comparisons and start "Get On The SEC Championship Bandwagon Now" threads don't last long. We value intelligence here. We're not much on blind, idiotic loyalty.

 

[lawgator1]

That would help explain why this board is so far off base with all the negativism versus the other boards.

Did you ever consider the possibility that the other boards are too positive?

 

[KB5252]

Hat do you buy the argument that some coaches get complacent after achieving some degree of success? If so do you think that is what happened to Fulmer. Personally I am divided on the issue of Fulmer. I'm not sure who I would want to replace him but I agree change of some sort is needed soon.

 

[jakez4ut]

No, it would explain why mindless homers who make imbecilic comparisons and start "Get On The SEC Championship Bandwagon Now" threads don't last long. We value intelligence here. We're not much on blind, idiocy loyalty.

you could have stopped right there.

 

[hatvol96]

Did you ever consider the possibility that the other boards are too positive?

Since that would require some grounding in reality, his answer has to be a resounding "NO."

 

[hatvol96]

you could have stopped right there.

True. I am occasionally guilty of being verbose.

 

[jakez4ut]

Hat do you buy the argument that some coaches get complacent after achieving some degree of success? If so do you think that is what happened to Fulmer. Personally I am divided on the issue of Fulmer. I'm not sure who I would want to replace him but I agree change of some sort is needed soon.

not speaking for hat, but yes, do think some coaches get complacent, and i do think CPF got comlacent after the 04 season. there was a sense of "we're not that far away", and in 05, he got a reality check.

that, and as other schools have brought in better coaches, the complacency is probably gone now.

now we're simply faced with the fact that there are just better coaches in the SEC now

 

[hatvol96]

Hat do you buy the argument that some coaches get complacent after achieving some degree of success? If so do you think that is what happened to Fulmer. Personally I am divided on the issue of Fulmer. I'm not sure who I would want to replace him but I agree change of some sort is needed soon.

Some do. Others are driven to achieve more once they a taste of success. The fact that Randy Sanders, Pat Washington, and Larry Slade were allowes to produce garbage for as long as they were without any consequences proves Fulmer's complacency.

 

[jakez4ut]

True. I am occasionally guilty of being verbose.

as someone who's been asked for cliff notes to some of my posts, i'm definitely not throwing stones.

 

[KB5252]

not speaking for hat, but yes, do think some coaches get complacent, and i do think CPF got comlacent after the 04 season. there was a sense of "we're not that far away", and in 05, he got a reality check.

that, and as other schools have brought in better coaches, the complacency is probably gone now.

now we're simply faced with the fact that there are just better coaches in the SEC now

I would tend to agree. With college football the way it is today you have to stay on your game and keep looking over your shoulder, two things I think Fulmer forgot.

 

[kptvol]

Fulmer was complacent during the Ron Zook years. He had as good of a position as he could ever hope for and he let Mark Richt stomp on his face for a few years. He missed his chance to really build a strong legacy. It's too late now.

 

[utmba93]

We prefer blind, idiotic criticism here.

Fixed it for you.

 

[lawgator1]

We are all guilty of engaging in the narrative fallacy. When something happens that is consistent with our theory of the world, we highlight it as symptomatic of the truth and include it in the narrative we have going on in our heads already. When something happens that is inconsistent with the narrative, we dismiss it as an anomaly so that we don't have to account for it.

Both pro and anti Fulmer fans do it. Just a matter of degree.

 

[KB5252]

Some do. Others are driven to achieve more once they a taste of success. The fact that Randy Sanders, Pat Washington, and Larry Slade were allowes to produce garbage for as long as they were without any consequences proves Fulmer's complacency.

Can't argue there.

 

[hatvol96]

We are all guilty of engaging in the narrative fallacy. When something happens that is consistent with our theory of the world, we highlight it as symptomatic of the truth and include it in the narrative we have going on in our heads already. When something happens that is inconsistent with the narrative, we dismiss it as an anomaly so that we don't have to account for it.

Both pro and anti Fulmer fans do it. Just a matter of degree.

Something happening, or failing to happen, for nine consecutive seasons isn't an anomaly. Something happening only twice in 15 years is.

 

[jakez4ut]

Fixed it for you.

you tried to give BPV some advice ealier....where you told him to "get over himself".

i respectfully request you follow your own advice.

 

[utmba93]

We are all guilty of engaging in the narrative fallacy. When something happens that is consistent with our theory of the world, we highlight it as symptomatic of the truth and include it in the narrative we have going on in our heads already. When something happens that is inconsistent with the narrative, we dismiss it as an anomaly so that we don't have to account for it.

Both pro and anti Fulmer fans do it. Just a matter of degree.

Good point. It's called a confirmation bias.

 

[lawgator1]

Good point. It's called a confirmation bias.

It goes by many titles, but means the same thing: Facts may be objective, but interpreting them, trending them, or attributing them to a cause, is subjective and hazardous.

 

[hatvol96]

Fixed it for you.

The only thing that needs to be "fixed" here is you. The prospect of your miniscule intellect being passed on should cause everyone who cares about the future of the republic to cringe.

 

[utmba93]

Something happening, or failing to happen, for nine consecutive seasons isn't an anomaly. Something happening only twice in 15 years is.

Apparently, that was way too sophisticated of an argument for a sports jock like Hat.

 

[jakez4ut]

We are all guilty of engaging in the narrative fallacy. When something happens that is consistent with our theory of the world, we highlight it as symptomatic of the truth and include it in the narrative we have going on in our heads already. When something happens that is inconsistent with the narrative, we dismiss it as an anomaly so that we don't have to account for it.

Both pro and anti Fulmer fans do it. Just a matter of degree.

the narrative going on in my head as i sometimes read posts on this board is saying nothing but "this guy is an idiot" "he has no idea what he's talking about" "he can't be serious?"

is that wrong?

 

[jakez4ut]

Apparently, that was way too sophisticated of an argument for a sports jock like Hat.

coming from the guy that tried cram 12=12 down our throats.