Fulmer debate extravaganza (merged)

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TreeGreen said:
With the exception of Berry, this is the first season a lot of these guys will have a shot to do it in every game. I'm pretty sure Berry has proven himself to be a play maker considering his stats as a true Freshman.
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no question. but there's still a sense of having to 'prove it', even with Berry. he's going to do just fine, i have no doubt.

but for all of us that are talking about 'talent' gaps and the disparity there is or isn't......the fact is, we haven't shown any reason over the course of an entire season for anyone to think the gap is closed up between us and the likes of FL and LSU, given how we've done against them the last times we've played.

until we start having folks make plays that win those kind of games, the doubt continues, and rightfully so.

the good news, they are there. all that's left......do it.
 
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I look at it like this, Stafford made a lot of mistakes getting to where he is now, and he still hasn't beaten us yet. JC hasn't really had a good chance to get settled in as the starter, and came out of high school just as highly touted as the Staffords and Tebows of the world.
 
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utmba93 said:
If you can, imagine how easy it must be for the UGA players. Man, if only those guys can prove again what our '05 team showed, it would be awesome.

Bascially, we need Stafford to do the Dawgs what Ainge did to us in 2005.
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When you look at the hype surrounding them it doesn't make sense...

I believe they will be a really good team but alot will have them #1 and thats based solely on Moreno and Stafford...

If you look at the rest of their team nobody stands out...and that's why I think we're going to see a flop from them...maybe not as extreme as ours in 05 but there's no way they run the table...I could see 3 losses for them
 
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utmba93 said:
If you can, imagine how easy it must be for the UGA players. Man, if only those guys can prove again what our '05 team showed, it would be awesome.

Bascially, we need Stafford to do the Dawgs what Ainge did to us in 2005.
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honestly, if we beat them, i won't care how the rest of their season goes.
 
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utmba93 said:
But, in my memory, that 2001 team had what it took to win championships, and LSU got freakin' lucky on us. I never thought about losing that game until we actually did.
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LSU wasn't lucky. We were stupid for not figuring out how to stop Matt Mauck's scrambling. If we had done that, we win the game.
 
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kptvol said:
LSU wasn't lucky. We were stupid for not figuring out how to stop Matt Mauck's scrambling. If we had done that, we win the game.
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Lucky in the sense that we would have been lucky had we beaten LSU this year.

We had the better team in 2001.
 
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utmba93 said:
Lucky in the sense that we would have been lucky had we beaten LSU this year.

We had the better team in 2001.
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I'd say sans Early Doucet, Matt Flynn, Glenn Dorsey, and Trindon Holiday we should have been able to win. Throw in the fact that the backup QB was a scrambler with an injured leg and cut-up throwing hand, I'm really not sure LSU was better at all.
 
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utmba93 said:
If you can, imagine how easy it must be for the UGA players. Man, if only those guys can prove again what our '05 team showed, it would be awesome.

Bascially, we need Stafford to do the Dawgs what Ainge did to us in 2005.
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05 wasn't because of Ainge.
 
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kptvol said:
I'd say sans Early Doucet, Matt Flynn, Glenn Dorsey, and Trindon Holiday we should have been able to win. Throw in the fact that the backup QB was a scrambler with an injured leg and cut-up throwing hand, I'm really not sure LSU was better at all.
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Say what you will about injuries, the odds still had LSU favored by about 7 as I recall--and that included all the above minus the in-game hand cut. Of course, the resulting broken down and battered LSU backup QB, Ryan Perrilloux, won the MVP for the game. It's hard to credit him as being a weak player for LSU's team, yet you do. The way you guys go about trying to figure out a way for you to blame Fulmer for the loss is a real stretch at times. That's one game where we almost outcoached and outplayed a superior team. Give credit where credit is due.

More to my point.. the comparison of 'luck' between seasons may be closer to comparing a healthy teams versus the 2001 teams. Our 2001 squad would have played for the national championship just as LSU did this year. 2001 was LSU's first trip to the SEC championship game. The Vols were penciled in for the NC game.

We would have been the favored team and would have won 8 out of 10 from that squad. That's about how many times they would have beaten us this year, IMO.
 
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First off, the knee injury occurred during the SECCG.

Second, the point about Perrilloux is that he'd been used as a runner all season. When that was neutralized, he shouldn't have been such a threat.

We could play LSU of 2001 100 times and lose all 100 if Chavis refused to spy Mauck. That was an embarassment of epic proportions.

I give UT absolutely no credit for losing a game. I can do that.
 
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TheDeeble said:
05 wasn't because of Ainge.
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I can't think of any other player who contributed more to the disaster that was 2005.

If players are responsible in any way for the outcome of the games, then Ainge is the guy at the top of that list. I can't even imagine that EA would deny that.

Whether his play resulted from coaching indecisions as to who should be the starter or not is unknown--although I'm sure that confusion didn't help.

That was one of the worst seasons I've ever seen a UT QB play. I'm sure there were worse ones, but that would have been a long, long time ago. Someone suggested 1988 as a place to look first for a potential contender.
 
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kptvol said:
First off, the knee injury occurred during the SECCG.

Second, the point about Perrilloux is that he'd been used as a runner all season. When that was neutralized, he shouldn't have been such a threat.
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The MVP was awarded to him based on his play during the game. It was not a 'purple heart' kind of recognition for his injuries. He earned it.
 
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Had Pat Washington and Jimmy Ray Stephens decided to do any coaching between 2004 and 2005, it definitely would have helped out Erik. Whoever was coaching the fullbacks (Trooper Taylor maybe) didn't do an acceptable job, either.
 
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utmba93 said:
The MVP was awarded to him based on his play during the game. It was not a 'purple heart' kind of recognition for his injuries. He earned it.
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OK. That doesn't change the fact that UT should have been able to contain a run-first QB that couldn't run. Another defensive meltdown. Similar to not containing Matt Mauck. Refusing to cover DJ Hall three years in a row was another low point for our defense.
 
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kptvol said:
OK. That doesn't change the fact that UT should have been able to contain a run-first QB that couldn't run. Another defensive meltdown.
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Meltdown.. talk about a stretch. The defense did NOT meltdown in the 2007 game. It 'bent but didn't break.'

The winning touchdown was scored against the offense.
 
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kptvol said:
Had Pat Washington and Jimmy Ray Stephens decided to do any coaching between 2004 and 2005, it definitely would have helped out Erik. Whoever was coaching the fullbacks (Trooper Taylor maybe) didn't do an acceptable job, either.
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And, you should add, had Cut not called the play in the SECCG, Ainge wouldn't have thrown the pick 6.

Why not just say this what you do...

1) watch the plays/games

2) note bad plays... credit coaching (recruiting, development, or play-calling)

3) note good plays... ignore them
 
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utmba93 said:
Meltdown.. talk about a stretch. The defense did NOT meltdown in the 2007 game. It 'bent but didn't break.'

The winning touchdown was scored against the offense.
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I'll concede that point. The defense really didn't meltdown. They faced a team with little offensive potency and they held their own.
 
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utmba93 said:
And, you should add, had Cut not called the play in the SECCG, Ainge wouldn't have thrown the pick 6.

Why not just say this what you do...

1) watch the plays/games

2) note bad plays... credit coaching (recruiting, development, or play-calling)

3) note good plays... ignore them
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Would you mind translating that gibberish to English? Note that I never said Ainge wasn't at fault in 2005.
 
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