Fulmer debate extravaganza (merged)

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you'd be surprised then.

the truth: we've been a 2nd tier SEC team for the last 5-7 years.

you don't need a statistics degree to figure that out......at least you shouldn't.
 
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Right, since 2001 I get 38.2%.

I am not a Fulmer hater but what turned me against him was the Alabama game a few years ago. What did we lose by...10-6??? He literally handed the game to Alabama by not trying to score. Remember how we were running the ball into the middle of the field on second and third down - repeatedly? Asked why by the media after the game he replied, "We were using the run to set up the punt". Alabama had some excellent skill players and it was only a matter of time until one of them broke loose. That's what happened. Only an idiot would want to keep punting the ball and placing the burden on the defense. Fulmer didn't even try to move the ball. That punting sure was a weapon wasn't it coach? Sure - for Alabama.
 
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We're In Trouble said:
Right, since 2001 I get 38.2%.

I am not a Fulmer hater but what turned me against him was the Alabama game a few years ago. What did we lose by...10-6??? He literally handed the game to Alabama by not trying to score. Remember how we were running the ball into the middle of the field on second and third down - repeatedly? Asked why by the media after the game he replied, "We were using the run to set up the punt". Alabama had some excellent skill players and it was only a matter of time until one of them broke loose. That's what happened. Only an idiot would want to keep punting the ball and placing the burden on the defense. Fulmer didn't even try to move the ball. That punting sure was a weapon wasn't it coach? Sure - for Alabama.
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I believe you are remembering the 6-3 masterpiece in 2005. A true gem.
 
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jakez4ut said:
i dunno. i'm just sick of all the manufactured BS to find a reason to support or slam CPF. who needs it?

i knew pretty much all i needed to know after the FL game last year. If people are still searching for reasons, then whatever. Good for them.

for me, my standard on whether or not CPF can get this job done begins on Sept. 20th. win that game. and we'll go from there.
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I'd say your 'eye is on the right ball.'
 
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jakez4ut said:
do the same for the teams on his list with the same criteria.....and let's see where our w/l % stacks up against all of them over the same time span, against the same type of teams.

then we can really see just how bad we really are.
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Here's what I come up with, if anyone wants to double check. This is their record vs the big six in the SEC (Al, Aub, LSU, UT, UF, and UGA), plus bowl games and NC games vs top 25 caliber teams from 01-07.

Alabama: 10-26
Auburn: 25-13
Florida: 23-22
Georgia: 24-15
LSU: 26-13
 
#2,336
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I'll have to hand it to everyone - you're at least checking out head to head against good competition instead of looking through orange colored glasses.
 
#2,338
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When it come to Fulmer, it's simple... you've just got to love that guy!

Happy 4th, Coach!

:fireworks::fireworks::fireworks::fireworks:
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
His loyalty, his 6-1 bowl record in the last 8 seasons and his 3 SEC titles in the last 8 seasons did nothing to save Majors. He got shown the door and Fulmer has an equal (or worse) track record in his last 8 seasons and he gets a dump truck ful of cash.
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you're comparing apples to oranges. Get with the times old fart. This is the 21st century. When Majors was coaching at UT:

1. There was no SEC East title to PRECLUDE you from winning the conference at large.

2. The SEC is 10x more talent laden now than it ever has been -- especially during the 1980s.

3. There are 4 coaches currently coaching with national championships in the conference, and that does NOT count Tubberville who had a 2004 undefeated season.

4. Recruiting has become 50x more competitive than it was during the Majors era.

***These are not excuses at all, they are simply reasons why comparing Johnny Majors to Phillip Fulmer isn't fair. You could even argue that Doug Dickey was well ahead of his time for making that decision. Because ever since Majors left, Fulmer has been among the winningest coaches in the country.

You can argue that if we get rid of Fulmer and hire somebody else that Tennessee would be much better off, and that would be a COMPLETELY legitimate argument. But comparing Majors to Fulmer is really just not very intelligent (and i don't mean that to harp on my previous post about Vol fans being dumbasses).
 
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The "new contract" for Fulmer is more about recruiting than it is about ACTUALLY retaining him.

The PERCEPTION is REALITY. I almost feel like I should cancel my membership to this board because I don't want to be "mass associated" with a bunch of blind, ignorant, uneducated dolts.

There are **gasp** POLITICS behind any kind of raise in the athletic department. Fulmer's raise is intended to boost morale, perpetuate the idea that Fulmer is "the guy", and pander to the national populous that UT is still on the map.

How many times do you have to say, "DUH" before some of you get it. Fulmer may not ever get his money, it's the PERCEPTION that counts -- like Paterno.
 
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I don't know what to say about you, mullet. I used to think you had a handle on the scene regarding Tennessee athletics. To say the SEC has more talent now than ever is ludicrous. To say that recruiting now is 50X more competitive than during the Majors era is ludicrous. Saying that to compare Majors to Fulmer isn't fair when Johnny Majors had Bear Bryant roaming the sidelines is ludicrous. And I must be an idiot to think that a big raise now is all about Phil's ability to recruit against the new guns in the SEC, God forbid being able to outcoach them. Either you or I should leave this board so one of us won't be associated with a bunch of blind, uneducated, ignorant retards.
 
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hmanvolfan said:
I don't know what to say about you, mullet. I used to think you had a handle on the scene regarding Tennessee athletics. To say the SEC has more talent now than ever is ludicrous. To say that recruiting now is 50X more competitive than during the Majors era is ludicrous. Saying that to compare Majors to Fulmer isn't fair when Johnny Majors had Bear Bryant roaming the sidelines is ludicrous. And I must be an idiot to think that a big raise now is all about Phil's ability to recruit against the new guns in the SEC, God forbid being able to outcoach them. Either you or I should leave this board so one of us won't be associated with a bunch of blind, uneducated, ignorant retards.
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Do you really think the tallent level across the SEC is the same it was nearly 30 years ago? Do you really not think recruiting is more competitive as ever?
I actually believe that the raise is a much about keeping confidence up in the current players as it is future players. Every scholarship FB player at UT has obviously liked somthing about Fulmer. He has charmed them in some way and it has worked. Their coaches job security is the last think you want the FB players worrying about at the end of the day.
 
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Brewerw said:
Do you really think the tallent level across the SEC is the same it was nearly 30 years ago? Do you really not think recruiting is more competitive as ever?
I actually believe that the raise is a much about keeping confidence up in the current players as it is future players. Every scholarship FB player at UT has obviously liked somthing about Fulmer. He has charmed them in some way and it has worked. Their coaches job security is the last think you want the FB players worrying about at the end of the day.
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If he's charmed them in a way that their state of mind is based on his salary then he should be sent to hypnotize the middle east into peace.

That said, this whole contract looks like nothing more than his friends on the BOT and big money donors hooking him up.
 
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TheDeeble said:
If he's charmed them in a way that their state of mind is based on his salary then he should be sent to hypnotize the middle east into peace.

That said, this whole contract looks like nothing more than his friends on the BOT and big money donors hooking him up.
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I honestly doubt that Fulmer needed the money. I think its more keeping him among the top half of SEC coaches and sending a message to the players about his job security. Resigning a coach is not necessarily something you do before firing him.
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
There was also no overtime to settle tie games. Guess what, we're not even playing in the SECCG last year with that 7-3-2 regular season record we had last year.
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This is stupid guys, Fulmer has a 77% win percentage. Johnny Major's win percentage is 62%... in two of his three SEC champ years he had 2 ties in addition to at least 1 loss. Those just as easily coulda been 3 and 4 loss seasons as 1&2. We are also completely neglecting to mention half his UT career. Actually, even over the second half of his UT career (the last 8 years that have been spoken of) his win % was 70%. Still below Fulmer's in a time when the SEC was less competitive.
It is important to mention that Majors helped UT recover from the pits which Battle had let us reach. He should be given much respect for his job rebuilding our program, but Fulmer was in fact the coach who took us to the next level. Both served different purposes in UT football history and both are greatly appreciated.
 
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Brewerw said:
This is stupid guys, Fulmer has a 77% win percentage. Johnny Major's win percentage is 62%... in two of his three SEC champ years he had 2 ties in addition to at least 1 loss. Those just as easily coulda been 3 and 4 loss seasons as 1&2. We are also completely neglecting to mention half his UT career. Actually, even over the second half of his UT career (the last 8 years that have been spoken of) his win % was 70%. Still below Fulmer's in a time when the SEC was less competitive.
It is important to mention that Majors helped UT recover from the pits which Battle had let us reach. He should be given much respect for his job rebuilding our program, but Fulmer was in fact the coach who took us to the next level. Both served different purposes in UT football history and both are greatly appreciated.
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As you said yourself, Majors had to completely rebuild a team which had hit rock bottom. Fulmer inherited a top 25 team and has, for the most part, maintained a top 25 team.

As for the 8 years spoken of, Majors was .691 with three SEC championships in his final 8 years. Fulmer is .696 in the last 8 years with ZERO SEC chamoionships. I'll take Majors record 8 days a week.
 
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Brewerw said:
Do you really think the tallent level across the SEC is the same it was nearly 30 years ago? Do you really not think recruiting is more competitive as ever?
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The talent level across the country is relative to each generation and is up to the respective coaches in the game to get the best available for their team. If I understand your second question, recruiting is equally competitive across the board and across the years, more or less. :blink:
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
As you said yourself, Majors had to completely rebuild a team which had hit rock bottom. Fulmer inherited a top 25 team and has, for the most part, maintained a top 25 team.

As for the 8 years spoken of, Majors was .691 with three SEC championships in his final 8 years. Fulmer is .696 in the last 8 years with ZERO SEC chamoionships. I'll take Majors record 8 days a week.
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OK wow look, if you would honestly have majors coaching UT then all the power to ya. I think its a little absurd though.
 
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