Fulmer Debate II

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MedicT said:
1926 to 1952.......You can count that as another fact to compare to your subjective opinion.

Oh and UT played in 7 bowl games under General Neyland, 5 of which were a loss.
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Yes, but Neyland only coached for 21 of those years. He was in the Army, and there was a war from 1941 through 45, in case you forgot. He served overseas in WW II.
Fulmer coached 204 games total, and lost 52 . After 204 games, Neyland had lost only 28, and had 11 ties.
 
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knoxvols11 said:
I think you Fulmerites want to make him out as this great coach that was done wrong but neither is the case. He wasn't and is not in the same league as Neyland, Paterno, Bowden, Bryant etc. They actually built programs into successful powerhouses and that is why they are respected. All CPF did was take over the reins of a successful team with a solid foundation. To make even more of a point, how was that foundation when he finally departed? And, better yet, why was he fired in the first place? It wasn't because he was winning!
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That brings up something interesting.

Neyland's winning percentage-85%

Bear Bryant- 83%
Saban to date- 83%

Bowden's- 75%
Fulmer's- 75%

Paterno- 69%
 
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#1,179
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MedicT said:
That brings up something interesting.

Neyland's winning percentage-85%

Bear Bryant- 83%

Bowden's- 75%
Fulmer's- 75%

Paterno- 69%
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When does the interesting stuff start? :confused:
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Slydell said:
Neyland

Overall 173–31–12
Bowls 2–5
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Are you aware of the bowls and opponents that Neyland's teams played? 2 Cotton , 2 Sugar, 2 Orange, and 1 Rose. The Big 4 of bowls. He didn't play in the Citrus or Liberty Bowls.

Under Neyland, Tennessee's 7 bowl games were all against Top 10 teams:
#4 Oklahoma
#3 USC
#5 Boston College
#10 Rice
#3 Texas
#3 Maryland
#10 Texas

In the 1939 Rose Bowl, Tenn didn't have their star tailback George Cafego. They also rode a train across the country to play USC in their back yard.
They rode the train to Dallas to face Texas in pretty much a home game for them. I can easily see how Neyland was 2-5 in bowls. I wonder what Fulmer's record was in the biggest bowls against Top 10 teams. I may look it up later.
 
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GrowVol said:
Wow, you are Vol fan? Show CPF respect or just be quiet.
You do understand that a good or great coach....HIRES great assistants. right? CPF is all VOL, gave his life to winning games for UT...then jerks like us debate whether or not was a great coach. CPF was 0-52? turn in your vol card at the door please
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The word is sarcasm. Read any of my posts on here. No one has defended CPF more than me. But to save you all of that reading, here goes. What I was speaking of is that some "fans" on VN blame every loss on Fulmer. But, the reason his win-loss record is so good is because of his assistants. Some (one in particular) will not give him credit for anything and he was so successful because of a weak SEC that CPF coached in. And my all time favorite, we beat Florida St, but it wasnt a blowout.
 
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Big Orange 1 said:
The word is sarcasm. Read any of my posts on here. No one has defended CPF more than me. But to save you all of that reading, here goes. What I was speaking of is that some "fans" on VN blame every loss on Fulmer. But, the reason his win-loss record is so good is because of his assistants. Some (one in particular) will not give him credit for anything and he was so successful because of a weak SEC that CPF coached in. And my all time favorite, we beat Florida St, but it wasnt a blowout.
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Two hours and four minutes ago ...he got it :eek:k:
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Some folks like to base their opinions on fact and substance as opposed to emotion. To those that rely on real information, facts are interesting. Those who do not take offense at them because it often contradicts emotional rhetoric.
 
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1972 Grad said:
Are you aware of the bowls and opponents that Neyland's teams played? 2 Cotton , 2 Sugar, 2 Orange, and 1 Rose. The Big 4 of bowls. He didn't play in the Citrus or Liberty Bowls.

Under Neyland, Tennessee's 7 bowl games were all against Top 10 teams:
#4 Oklahoma
#3 USC
#5 Boston College
#10 Rice
#3 Texas
#3 Maryland
#10 Texas

In the 1939 Rose Bowl, Tenn didn't have their star tailback George Cafego. They also rode a train across the country to play USC in their back yard.
They rode the train to Dallas to face Texas in pretty much a home game for them. I can easily see how Neyland was 2-5 in bowls. I wonder what Fulmer's record was in the biggest bowls against Top 10 teams. I may look it up later.
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I'll help you get started.:)

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1972 Grad said:
Are you aware of the bowls and opponents that Neyland's teams played? 2 Cotton , 2 Sugar, 2 Orange, and 1 Rose. The Big 4 of bowls. He didn't play in the Citrus or Liberty Bowls.

Under Neyland, Tennessee's 7 bowl games were all against Top 10 teams:
#4 Oklahoma
#3 USC
#5 Boston College
#10 Rice
#3 Texas
#3 Maryland
#10 Texas

In the 1939 Rose Bowl, Tenn didn't have their star tailback George Cafego. They also rode a train across the country to play USC in their back yard.
They rode the train to Dallas to face Texas in pretty much a home game for them. I can easily see how Neyland was 2-5 in bowls. I wonder what Fulmer's record was in the biggest bowls against Top 10 teams. I may look it up later.
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Bottom line is that Fulmer's record in modern times against the teams played has nothing to do with Neylands' records during the time he coached. Both had great records and great wins. No way to compare one to the other, IMO. It's all numbers and nothing more. I'm not trying to compare the two in any way just threw that up for the hell of it. We've had some great coaches, wins and hardware come to Tennessee. I think they all deserve celebrations.
 
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knoxvols11 said:
I agree. But, CPF was not a great coach!
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Was he a good coach in your opinion?
Was he a good recruiter in your opinion?
Was he the 2nd best coach in UT history in your opinion?

Because to be honest with you, that is the opinion of this so called "Fulmerite".

I've never put him in a class with Bear Bryant, Robert Neyland, Bobby Bowden, etc.

I just get sick of the bashing. He doesn't deserve it. He's the best we've had in my lifetime. (47)
 
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I met Coach Fulmer yesterday at a gas station here in Franklin, TN. While i don't agree with everything about him, I shook his hand and thanked him for the memories and his years of service. He was gracious and giving of his time.

I think its best to honor what is honorable. I don't think it is as easy to win with the frequency that he did as most people think.
 
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Big Orange 1 said:
Was he a good coach in your opinion?
Was he a good recruiter in your opinion?
Was he the 2nd best coach in UT history in your opinion?

Because to be honest with you, that is the opinion of this so called "Fulmerite".

I've never put him in a class with Bear Bryant, Robert Neyland, Bobby Bowden, etc.

I just get sick of the bashing. He doesn't deserve it. He's the best we've had in my lifetime. (47)
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You know, that point is a good one. Probably ends this debate. Well said.
 
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Wylo said:
he should have been fired.

that is not really up for debate.

the problem is with the poor job done replacing him.
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I think it is all part of the failure chain leading to the disaster UT football became. If you do not fire Fulmer OR if you avoid poor decision making choosing a replacement you stop the train wreck. Neither happened of course. We will never know, so we continue to go in circles.:crazy:

How many days until Spring Practice?:)
 
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Prior to Fulmer, the only two coaches who had to be replaced were Bowden Wyatt and Johnny Majors, and that was because of alcohol, and how it affected their leadership.

Wyatt had started down a slippery slope holding on to the Single Wing. But Majors had come in and, yes along with Fulmer's help among others, built Tennessee back into a serious contender. Isn't that what we all know good head coaches do? Surround themselves with good assistants. When Majors was fired, what was good only got better under Fulmer, culminating in the NC. Because good head coaches surround themselves with good assistants. Fulmer's parade of OC's, some of which he had no control over leaving, was his main problem... imho .. and you just never know that an OC who has been successful elsewhere will be successful here.

I still don't like how CPF was fired, and I still think he could have turned the program back around. And I flat out totally disagree with those who think he would have continued in the downward spiral. I believe he still had fire in his belly, if not always, it WAS there. I watched it in the last Penn St. Citrus bowl, sitting 25 yards behind the UT bench. In fact I've rarely seen any coach anytime so fired up and trying to fire up his team. Who simply seemed to ignore him and waddle back out on the field and waddle around as Penn St. rammed it down their throats.

That experience showed me that, no matter who you are, a whole danged lot is on the players at this level, and all the BS that you never blame the players, it's all on the HC is in reality BS; even if it's not viewed that way by the majority, and especially by those with the ability to hire and fire.

And John Adams at the News Sentinel is just a plain jack-a ...........nape.
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
Prior to Fulmer, the only two coaches who had to be replaced were Bowden Wyatt and Johnny Majors, and that was because of alcohol, and how it affected their leadership.

Wyatt had started down a slippery slope holding on to the Single Wing. But Majors had come in and, yes along with Fulmer's help among others, built Tennessee back into a serious contender. Isn't that what we all know good head coaches do? Surround themselves with good assistants. When Majors was fired, what was good only got better under Fulmer, culminating in the NC. Because good head coaches surround themselves with good assistants. Fulmer's parade of OC's, some of which he had no control over leaving, was his main problem... imho .. and you just never know that an OC who has been successful elsewhere will be successful here.

I still don't like how CPF was fired, and I still think he could have turned the program back around. And I flat out totally disagree with those who think he would have continued in the downward spiral. I believe he still had fire in his belly, if not always, it WAS there. I watched it in the last Penn St. Citrus bowl, sitting 25 yards behind the UT bench. In fact I've rarely seen any coach anytime so fired up and trying to fire up his team. Who simply seemed to ignore him and waddle back out on the field and waddle around as Penn St. rammed it down their throats.

That experience showed me that, no matter who you are, a whole danged lot is on the players at this level, and all the BS that you never blame the players, it's all on the HC is in reality BS; even if it's not viewed that way by the majority, and especially by those with the ability to hire and fire.

And John Adams at the News Sentinel is just a plain jack-a ...........nape.
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It's easy to confuse fire with Krispy Kremes.
 
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