Fulmer Debate II

[vol_in_ar]

(That) is what always irked me when the TV would show his winning percentage. At first he was the most winningest coa h with five years then ten. But, what they never mentioned was how good the program was before he took over. As for the other poster citing all those accomplishment, do you not realize all those accomplishments-coach wise-are given to the NC winning coach so really it's not that big of a deal! Fulmer and Les Miles are kinda in the same boat. I don't think had it not been for Saban building up LSU Miles wouldn't have been as successcul! Hence Fulmer couldn't build a program. Maybe just bring it down.?.?.?.?.

if winning irks you, you've got problems

 

[Big Orange 1]

I'll take losing to Florida 4 in a row than losing to Vandy 2 in a row and beating them 3 years ago on a botched call.

 

[Big Orange 1]

Funny thing is, this entire argument is based on the subjective opinions (emotionally and irrationally based) of the Fulmer detractors versus the objective opinions (fact based) of the Coach Fulmer advocates. As with most things in life, the undeniable facts are usually your best choice. Speculation regarding whether or not the program would have returned to a Championship under Fulmer is worthless for either camp. To attack Coach Fulmer, given his documented career, is nothing but foolishness.

Excellent post. I would however throw an asterisk in there that states had we hired Jon Gruden we would have won the National Championship last year.

 

[knoxvols11]

if winning irks you, you've got problems

Its not the winning that irks me. It's the lack of realizm given to why he won!

 

[newandbetter]

It's that commercial they have on TV all the time.

Adult at a tiny table, with a group of four/five year olds.

What's better more or less?

More! More wins is better than less wins!

Bowl game 14 out of 16 years..."MORE!"

Ranked in the final AP Top 25 Poll 12 out of 16 years..."MORE!"

Ranked in the pre-season AP Poll 16 out of 16 years..."Mo..uh...f it RE!"

MORE! is better.

Excellent analogy!

 

[knoxvols11]

Excellent analogy!

Yeah, if you're Ohio State and don't play anybody!

 

[Big Orange 1]

Its not the winning that irks me. It's the lack of realizm given to why he won!

Ok, so help me understand. The 152 wins were all because Majors left the cupboard full and we had David Cutcliffe. The 52 losses were all because FULMER couldnt beat Spurrier, discipline problems, lazy, yada, yada, yada? And the so callled "Fulmerites" are the ones who are delusional? Right? :yes:

 

[Slydell]

Ok, so help me understand. The 152 wins were all because Majors left the cupboard full and we had David Cutcliffe. The 52 losses were all because FULMER couldnt beat Spurrier, discipline problems, lazy, yada, yada, yada? And the so callled "Fulmerites" are the ones who are delusional? Right? :yes:

That's exactly right. All the wins belong to someone else and all the loses belong to Fulmer alone. Got it?

 

[Big Orange 1]

That's exactly right. All the wins belong to someone else and all the loses belong to Fulmer alone. Got it?

Thanks Sly. I feel so delusional, I've respected an 0-52 coach for all this time.

 

[Slydell]

Thanks Sly. I feel so delusional, I've respected an 0-52 coach for all this time.

I know. We need to forget those dreadful times when we walked into Neyland not even thinking about losing.

 

[VolsRule]

ut should hire fulmer for some easy six figure job in administration---he needs cash.

 

[Big Orange 1]

Whew! The whole community breathes a BIG sigh of RELIEF! If he had seen his shadow he would have went back in his hole and we would have had his thugs on a crime spree for six more weeks.

Hmm. I guess this one's on him too huh?

 

[butchna]

I know. We need to forget those dreadful times when we walked into Neyland not even thinking about losing.

Those last few years, it was better not to think about it :sad:
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[newandbetter]

Yeah, if you're Ohio State and don't play anybody!

You're right. Beating Florida, Auburn, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, SEC Championship, and Florida State were nobody.

How old are you by the way? Were you even alive during those years? When we were winning were you screaming, "But we're not beating anyone good!"

 

[Big Orange 1]

You're right. Beating Florida, Auburn, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, SEC Championship, and Florida State were nobody.

How old are you by the way? Were you even alive during those years? When we were winning were you screaming, "But we're not beating anyone good!"

Just like I said, the only fan base in the world where you have to defend your own teams glory years.

 

[knoxvols11]

You're right. Beating Florida, Auburn, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, SEC Championship, and Florida State were nobody.

How old are you by the way? Were you even alive during those years? When we were winning were you screaming, "But we're not beating anyone good!"

Oh yeah, I was around then! Around for all those years he couldn't beat Spurrier, around when he was the top dog in a weak SEC conference and was around when he was running the program in the ground and getting blown out by very weak ACC teams in bowl games. All you Fulmerites push him up because everyone was down well if he was that good why didn't he win more NCs? The 99 team was essentially the same as the 98! And those other "great" teams ofthe 90? Yeah, I'm proud of the 98 NC but lets not forget it wasn't a blow out and it was against the 3rd string QB after-all!

 

[Big Orange 1]

Oh yeah, I was around then! Around for all those years he couldn't beat Spurrier, around when he was the top dog in a weak SEC conference and was around when he was running the program in the ground and getting blown out by very weak ACC teams in bowl games. All you Fulmerites push him up because everyone was down well if he was that good why didn't he win more NCs? The 99 team was essentially the same as the 98! And those other "great" teams ofthe 90? Yeah, I'm proud of the 98 NC but lets not forget it wasn't a blow out and it was against the 3rd string QB after-all!

You really a Vol fan dude? And besides, HE(CPF) didn't lose to Spurrier. It was David Cutcliffe, Major's recruits, and so forth. They won all of the big games, so they were have bound to lose the big games. And now we're gonna de-value our NC because it wasn't a blowout? LMAO. OMG. Admit it, had he won 5 NC's you would be on here bashing "Fulmerites".

 

[knoxvols11]

You really a Vol fan dude? And besides, HE(CPF) didn't lose to Spurrier. It was David Cutcliffe, Major's recruits, and so forth. They won all of the big games, so they were have bound to lose the big games. And now we're gonna de-value our NC because it wasn't a blowout? LMAO. OMG. Admit it, had he won 5 NC's you would be on here bashing "Fulmerites".

Uh huh. Well, you and some other Fulmerites claimed those players as CPF saying he recruited them!!! Nah, I don't think there would be near as many bashing him if he'd won 5 NCs. Even two like he should have!

 

[1972 Grad]

Uh huh. Well, you and some other Fulmerites claimed those players as CPF saying he recruited them!!! Nah, I don't think there would be near as many bashing him if he'd won 5 NCs. Even two like he should have!

Should have won two? It took a perfect storm for him to win one.

 

[knoxvols11]

Should have won two? It took a perfect storm for him to win one.

That's true.. But the 95 and even though Memphis slipped up and beat us 96 and 97 and as I mentioned earlier the 99 team but not to mention the 01 fiasco!

 

[1972 Grad]

That's true.. But the 95 and even though Memphis slipped up and beat us 96 and 97 and as I mentioned earlier the 99 team but not to mention the 01 fiasco!

Besides the 3 games that U.T. was fortunate to win that year (Syracuse pass interference, Arkansas fumble, and Florida missed fg), it took 3 other unusual losses by other teams for all the pieces to fall into place.

Ohio State was #1 most of the year until losing a 15 point lead late to Mich St in the last month of the season, and lose by 4. Then #2 and undefeated Kansas St lost the Big 12 Ch game to Texas A&M in 2 overtimes, and #3 and undefeated UCLA lost in the last minute to Miami by 4, both games in early Dec.

We were fortunate to draw what was the #4 team ( going into the last week) Florida State who had a quarterback who had only started 2 games previously. That Fl. St. team lost 24-7 to NC State earlier in the season.

So there were 4 big name 1 loss teams, and we got the one that was rated behind the other 3 all season. Obviously, they earned their way in, as did U.T., but we could have drawn an even tougher opponent. In closing, I would think that most nat champs have several things fall into place. That is why you don't see many repeats. Just look at what Auburn did to get to the big game.

 

[Big Orange 1]

Uh huh. Well, you and some other Fulmerites claimed those players as CPF saying he recruited them!!! Nah, I don't think there would be near as many bashing him if he'd won 5 NCs. Even two like he should have!

Listening to this rubbish is like listening to the Peyton haters that bash him. If Denver would have won the SB, it would have been because of they're great defense, Peyton can't do this and can't do that. Sorry dude, facts are facts, and the record book will state that CPF +100 wins a NC coach, and a HOF coach. It doesnt matter how many championships you think he should have won, or if we beat a backup QB for Fla. State. The trophy is in Knoxville.

I got it l got it. I've heard baseball people say that there should be an asterisk beside the HR ball that Barry Bonds hit to go ahead of Hank Aaron due to the whole PED thing. Lets put an asterisk beside our crystal football that reads,

"This championship was won because FSU had a backup QB. The SEC was very weak that year, and Tenn got lucky in 3-4 games."

And beside CPF's HOF [picture we could put,

"This coach lost 52 games"

:thumbsup:

 

[1972 Grad]

Listening to this rubbish is like listening to the Peyton haters that bash him. If Denver would have won the SB, it would have been because of they're great defense, Peyton can't do this and can't do that. Sorry dude, facts are facts, and the record book will state that CPF +100 wins a NC coach, and a HOF coach. It doesnt matter how many championships you think he should have won, or if we beat a backup QB for Fla. State. The trophy is in Knoxville.

I got it l got it. I've heard baseball people say that there should be an asterisk beside the HR ball that Barry Bonds hit to go ahead of Hank Aaron due to the whole PED thing. Lets put an asterisk beside our crystal football that reads,

"This championship was won because FSU had a backup QB. The SEC was very weak that year, and Tenn got lucky in 3-4 games."

And beside CPF's HOF [picture we could put,

"This coach lost 52 games"

:thumbsup:

Nobody is saying that Fulmer didn't win the National Championship, but as sure as he did, he also let the program slip into a far worse shape than he found it. It would be like watching your wife transform from a sweet, beautiful young 22 year old woman, to a wonderful partner and mother, and then later becoming a fat, ugly, raving b..ch.

Yeah, she was attractive and sexy at one time, just like Phil.

 

[Big Orange 1]

Nobody is saying that Fulmer didn't win the National Championship, but as sure as he did, he also let the program slip into a far worse shape than he found it. It would be like watching your wife transform from a sweet, beautiful young 22 year old woman, to a wonderful partner and mother, and then later becoming a fat, ugly, raving b..ch.

Yeah, she was attractive and sexy at one time, just like Phil.

I somewhat agree. I definitely think his better years were behind him. The problem I have and have always had is the way the whole thing was handled. I hate the fact that it was done before the end of the season. I think he deserved a more dignified exit than that, sorry. Second, don't you make darn sure that there are at least some proven candidates or hot commodity coaches out there to go after. I love Butch, I'm a Butch fan, but for God's sake Lane Kiffin? Fire CPF and hire Lane Kiffin, geez. And it got worse, much worse.

If not bashing CPF is being a Fulmerite, then crown me king of them. He did a lot more good than harm during his tenure here.

I just will never understand the constant bashing and downright hate of some people. Thats all.

 

[knoxvols11]

The overall thought is that it was past time for him to be gone. It could have been handled better but he didn't want to go. Thus, his desire to break Neylands record was more important to him than realizing the program was going asunder!