Fulmer predicts bowl game for Team #118

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crusse10 said:
You do know that 7-6 is not a losing record, right?
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Yes, I just noticed that. It still doesn't change the fact that historically he has been bad. He did more to hurt UT football in 1 year than Fulmer managed to do in his tenure.

I'm confident he will not be an asset at Alabama.
 
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logiman said:
LOL.

Forgive the slightly OT post. But, to be honest, I'd much rather be in the stadium with the 'general population'. I've been to a few games inside the sky boxes. There are some pluses and minuses.

Pluses:
- Quick, easy access to restrooms
- Excellent catering
- Closed circuit TV
- Protection from the elements

One very big minus:
- It's a sterile environment. There is one tiny window that can be opened. When you're in a sky box, you just don't feel like you're part of the crowd. It's like you're removed from the gameday experience. You can scream all you want, but it doesn't make a difference.

I will take tix with the general population over a sky box any day.
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I'll be the judge of that, buddy. You just get me in.

:)
 
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Joe Vols said:
Yes, I just noticed that. It still doesn't change the fact that historically he has been bad. He did more to hurt UT football in 1 year than Fulmer managed to do in his tenure.

I'm confident he will not be an asset at Alabama.
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The following coach is what did the most to hurt UT football. Had a better coach been hired there, the successful players from 09 would have been made better. Fulmer's last 4 years and egregious dip in recruiting and talent development created the worst returning roster from 1992 to last year.
 
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Joe Vols said:
I can't believe you are defending his coaching cred after watching his debacle at USC. I'm still in shock Saban hired him.
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Fulmer's last 4 years (an entire class) started off ranked preseason #3. For that to turn into 2 losing seasons is pathetic at best. Defending that is absurd.
 
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Catbone said:
45% chance we get to a bowl game IMO
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crusse10 said:
The following coach is what did the most to hurt UT football. Had a better coach been hired there, the successful players from 09 would have been made better. Fulmer's last 4 years and egregious dip in recruiting and talent development created the worst returning roster from 1992 to last year.
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There's more than enough blame to go around. Fulmer, Kiffin and Dooley all bear some of the responsibility, IMO. Having said that, I don't think anyone has more to apologize for than Kiffin.

The guy is a joke. He is best forgotten.
 
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crusse10 said:
The following coach is what did the most to hurt UT football. Had a better coach been hired there, the successful players from 09 would have been made better. Fulmer's last 4 years and egregious dip in recruiting and talent development created the worst returning roster from 1992 to last year.
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Absurdity... Yes Dooley was a bad hire, but so was Kiffin. Anyone would have struggled after Kiffin decimated the roster, committed several NCAA violations, and then bolted for USC. He was a bad fit for this program, and he did us a favor. The construction mess going on when Dooley was there didn't help him win any recruiting wars either. The good news Butch is here, the new facilities are amazing, the FR class is stellar, the 2015 is shaping up nicely, and Lane Kiffin is not our coach.
 
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crusse10 said:
John Chavis is a great defensive coach if you don't ever have to set up a defense against 3rd and Long

Also, nobody hung 50 on us in 09
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I loved both Fulmer and the Chief but "3rd and Chavis" became a thing for a reason.
 
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Joe Vols said:
Absurdity... Yes Dooley was a bad hire, but so was Kiffin. Anyone would have struggled after Kiffin decimated the roster, committed several NCAA violations, and then bolted for USC. He was a bad fit for this program, and he did us a favor. The construction mess going on when Dooley was there didn't help him win any recruiting wars either. The good news Butch is here, the new facilities are amazing, the FR class is stellar, the 2015 is shaping up nicely, and Lane Kiffin is not our coach.
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The legacy class couldn't have come at a better time.
 
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Joe Vols said:
Absurdity... Yes Dooley was a bad hire, but so was Kiffin. Anyone would have struggled after Kiffin decimated the roster, committed several NCAA violations, and then bolted for USC. He was a bad fit for this program, and he did us a favor. The construction mess going on when Dooley was there didn't help him win any recruiting wars either. The good news Butch is here, the new facilities are amazing, the FR class is stellar, the 2015 is shaping up nicely, and Lane Kiffin is not our coach.
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REALLY?!
CONSTRUCTION?!
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?!

If you are going to blame Dooley failing on construction, arguing with you is pointless.
 
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Hacksaw said:
There's more than enough blame to go around. Fulmer, Kiffin and Dooley all bear some of the responsibility, IMO. Having said that, I don't think anyone has more to apologize for than Kiffin.

The guy is a joke. He is best forgotten.
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That is a good summary. The past is the past, and the future is bright. It's time for Butch to make some new history. We're just days away from football time in TENNESSEE! Oh yeah... win lose or draw, I'm ready for this season to get under way!
 
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Regarding the "hire"
You can't judge the hire based on the slim possibility actually happening. Kiffin WAS a good hire. He brought energy to a lethargic fanbase. He brought excitement to recruiting. He brought high-profile coaches and players. The HIRE was good. That the one thing that would pull him away actually happened is unfortunate.
Dooley, on the other hand, was simply a bad hire. Nothing from his past made the fanbase think he was the next coming. The only thing he had was one okay year and a last name.

Time warps the mind. Kiffin was loved by Vols fans, hated by other fans, and loved even more by making those fans hate him.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Didn't like Kiffin (for obvious reasons) and like most with at least a passing knowledge knew Dooley sucked when he walked in the door.

Jones walked in with a different attitude toward the history of Tennessee Football and that went a long way with a lot of people that mattered. That buys you time to build the program back with those people. Dooley was pretty much the exact opposite and Kiffin didn't matter in that regard because he wasn't here long enough to.
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Agree w/ most of your comment except that Kiffin didn't matter because he wasn't around long enough. When Fast Lane said he wanted to make Tennessee "the USC of the East," that showed me he had less knowledge of Tennessee football history than Dooley did. With the storied tradition of UT football, they don't have to be anything but Tennessee. Kiffin never understood that, and Dooley was arrogant enough to think that tradition alone was enough to beat other teams.
 
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HollowaytoSeivers said:
Agree w/ most of your comment except that Kiffin didn't matter because he wasn't around long enough. When Fast Lane said he wanted to make Tennessee "the USC of the East," that showed me he had less knowledge of Tennessee football history than Dooley did. With the storied tradition of UT football, they don't have to be anything but Tennessee. Kiffin never understood that, and Dooley was arrogant enough to think that tradition alone was enough to beat other teams.
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Fulmer, too
 
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Joe Vols said:
Absurdity... Yes Dooley was a bad hire, but so was Kiffin. Anyone would have struggled after Kiffin decimated the roster, committed several NCAA violations, and then bolted for USC. He was a bad fit for this program, and he did us a favor. The construction mess going on when Dooley was there didn't help him win any recruiting wars either. The good news Butch is here, the new facilities are amazing, the FR class is stellar, the 2015 is shaping up nicely, and Lane Kiffin is not our coach.
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Yet that mess was our last team to go bowling.
 
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crusse10 said:
REALLY?!
CONSTRUCTION?!
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?!

If you are going to blame Dooley failing on construction, arguing with you is pointless.
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No I don't. Dooley was just a bad coach, and a bad hire. from day 1 I thought he was a bad hire. The unfielded kickoff against MSU (I think) removed any doubts about that.

I also thought Lane Kiffin was a bad hire. He actually surprised me to some degree. But it didn't take me long to realize why he failed at Oakland, and given time he would have failed here. Heck even Dooley made it to a bowl game with Fulmer's Jr's and Sr's.

It would have hurt anyone's recruiting to some degree, but it didn't hinder his coaching. He did a bad job with the talent he had on his roster.
 
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crusse10 said:
Regarding the "hire"
You can't judge the hire based on the slim possibility actually happening. Kiffin WAS a good hire. He brought energy to a lethargic fanbase. He brought excitement to recruiting. He brought high-profile coaches and players. The HIRE was good. That the one thing that would pull him away actually happened is unfortunate.
Dooley, on the other hand, was simply a bad hire. Nothing from his past made the fanbase think he was the next coming. The only thing he had was one okay year and a last name.

Time warps the mind. Kiffin was loved by Vols fans, hated by other fans, and loved even more by making those fans hate him.
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You could qualify that by saying many or most or whatever. He wasn't loved by all. And, it was fortunate for us that he left for USC, IMO.
 
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Joe Vols said:
No I don't. Dooley was just a bad coach, and a bad hire. from day 1 I thought he was a bad hire. The unfielded kickoff against MSU (I think) removed any doubts about that.

I also thought Lane Kiffin was a bad hire. He actually surprised me to some degree. But it didn't take me long to realize why he failed at Oakland, and given time he would have failed here. Heck even Dooley made it to a bowl game with Fulmer's Jr's and Sr's.

It would have hurt anyone's recruiting to some degree, but it didn't hinder his coaching. He did a bad job with the talent he had on his roster.
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But the stars weren't Fulmer's juniors and seniors. They were just people on the roster who still needed to be purged.
 
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Slydell said:
You could qualify that by saying many or most or whatever. He wasn't loved by all. And, it was fortunate for us that he left for USC, IMO.
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Definitely. There was a small sect of fans that never liked Kiffin. Many of them, I'd counter, didn't so much hate Kiffin as they did hate that Fulmer wasn't the coach. The only reason I call it fortunate that Kiffin isn't our current coach is because that means that Butch is.
 
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