Fulmer predicts bowl game for Team #118

[Joe Vols]

Yet that mess was our last team to go bowling.

Dooley, and Kiffin both road Fulmer's recruits. People can say what they want, but that is the truth. And those were some of his weaker recruiting classes. It's been down hill until we finally got another football coach in here. The further we got away from Fulmer, the worse we had been getting until Butch arrived. We are finally starting to see positive results in positions of need. Butch is recruiting all positions with success.

 

[xpsyclonex2002]

Fulmer 2008 15 years of his own doing.

Jones 2013 1st year and doing it with mostly previous losing coach's leavings.

Points are fun.

Really? You want to look at all 15 years now? A NC. 2 SEC championships. 7 trips to the SEC Championship. A trip to the SEC Championship the year before he was fired. 2 losing seasons out of 15. And lets keep in mind that he did this while having to recruit almost exclusively out of state because we weren't turning out talent in state like Hurd or pulling legacies. Fulmer's record doesn't need the approval of internet turds. His accomplishments speak for themselves.

 

[crusse10]

Dooley, and Kiffin both road Fulmer's recruits. People can say what they want, but that is the truth. And those were some of his weaker recruiting classes. It's been down hill until we finally got another football coach in here. The further we got away from Fulmer, the worse we had been getting until Butch arrived. We are finally starting to see positive results in positions of need. Butch is recruiting all positions with success.

Fulmer's recruiting was the problem. That's why our O-Line was so vulnerable with Kiffin. That's still the primary reason for us having an entirely new O-Line this year. Had he recruited linemen better (his damn bread and butter as a former offensive lineman), we'd have had players ready to step into vacant roles that had to be filled by the Sullins Brothers in 09. With, say, a sophomore, junior, or even redshirt freshman been there and ready to take the role, Dooley's first year wouldn't have been an entirely new line (minus Dallas), then last year only a couple starters would have left for the Draft

 

[crusse10]

Really? You want to look at all 15 years now? A NC. 2 SEC championships. 7 trips to the SEC Championship. A trip to the SEC Championship the year before he was fired. 2 losing seasons out of 15. And lets keep in mind that he did this while having to recruit almost exclusively out of state because we weren't turning out talent in state like Hurd or pulling legacies. Fulmer's record doesn't need the approval of internet turds. His accomplishments speak for themselves.

Do you think that a coach deserves to keep his job when he takes a Preseason #3 team and, over 4 years, turns out 1 bowl win, 1 appearance in a conference championship game, 2 losing seasons, and a 1-7 record against the two biggest rivals?

 

[Joe Vols]

But the stars weren't Fulmer's juniors and seniors. They were just people on the roster who still needed to be purged.

A team is only as good as it's seniors no matter how few. To say those Jr's and Sr's did not impact that team is just ridiculous. Classless.

Yea, because that purging worked out so well. Honestly part of the problem here at UT was that we had shown no loyalty to the past. No loyalty to the coaches, to the players, to the past players. Butch is bringing the loyalty back to current, and former UT players. I'm through talking to you. I'm glad there is a new mindset on the hill. I'm glad we have someone who values the commitments we have made to individuals, and who doesn't just kick them to the curb because they no longer can benefit him.

I also love the fact that Butch has decided to recruit within the state of TN again. These kind of kids grew up bleeding orange, and it is important to have them on the roster.

 

[Neyland Law Vol]

end thread!

 

[crusse10]

A team is only as good as it's seniors no matter how few. To say those Jr's and Sr's did not impact that team is just ridiculous. Classless.

Yea, because that purging worked out so well. Honestly part of the problem here at UT was that we had shown no loyalty to the past. No loyalty to the coaches, to the players, to the past players. Butch is bringing the loyalty back to current, and former UT players. I'm through talking to you. I'm glad there is a new mindset on the hill. I'm glad we have someone who values the commitments we have made to individuals, and who doesn't just kick them to the curb because they no longer can benefit him.

I also love the fact that Butch has decided to recruit within the state of TN again. These kind of kids grew up bleeding orange, and it is important to have them on the roster.

This isn't a Butch issue, because I'm right there with you. I am very glad that Butch is the coach and I'd rather have Butch than Kiffin. I won't, however, try to act like everything was peachy with Fulmer and doom and gloom with Kiffin.

 

[Joe Vols]

Do you think that a coach deserves to keep his job when he takes a Preseason #3 team and, over 4 years, turns out 1 bowl win, 1 appearance in a conference championship game, 2 losing seasons, and a 1-7 record against the two biggest rivals?

Yes I do. I think he deserved more time. Not that I know for a fact he would have turned it around, but I do think he deserved the opportunity. Loyalty. Texas did it the right way. We did it the wrong way, and we lost a lot of respect because of it. We also lost a lot of trust too. I think it took Dooley being here, and people almost unanimously agreeing that he should have been fired, for us to get some of that trust back.

 

[crusse10]

end thread!

same logic the guy in the picture took with regards to honing the craft of coaching

 

[Joe Vols]

This isn't a Butch issue, because I'm right there with you. I am very glad that Butch is the coach and I'd rather have Butch than Kiffin. I won't, however, try to act like everything was peachy with Fulmer and doom and gloom with Kiffin.

Let's end on that note. We both agree on the only thing that matters, which is the present. Butch has helped to bring this divided fan base back together. It is really good to have a real football coach here after so many years, even if we can't agree on exactly how long it's been since we've had a good coach!

 

[xpsyclonex2002]

Do you think that a coach deserves to keep his job when he takes a Preseason #3 team and, over 4 years, turns out 1 bowl win, 1 appearance in a conference championship game, 2 losing seasons, and a 1-7 record against the two biggest rivals?

Well. Let's just evaluate that. Where did getting rid of Fulmer get us? Hmmmmm.5 years later and the only thing we've actually shown on the field is what exactly? Moral victories? Winning seasons? Bowl game victories? Sniffs of a chance at SEC championships? No. No. Our only success in the last 5 years is in recruiting for the last 2 years. That hasn't transated to wins.....yet. for now the only thing we can say is......."soon". So turning up our nose at Fulmer shows our stupidity.

 

[crusse10]

Well. Let's just evaluate that. Where did getting rid of Fulmer get us? Hmmmmm.5 years later and the only thing we've actually shown on the field is what exactly? Moral victories? Winning seasons? Bowl game victories? Sniffs of a chance at SEC championships? No. No. Our only success in the last 5 years is in recruiting for the last 2 years. That hasn't transated to wins.....yet. for now the only thing we can say is......."soon". So turning up our nose at Fulmer shows our stupidity.

You can't judge whether a person should be fired on what will happen in the future. You have to be proactive. Fire the dead weight and replace with someone who will do the job properly. He did not deserve to keep his job and he did not deserve to make extra millions just to go away.

 

[Joe Vols]

Well. Let's just evaluate that. Where did getting rid of Fulmer get us? Hmmmmm.5 years later and the only thing we've actually shown on the field is what exactly? Moral victories? Winning seasons? Bowl game victories? Sniffs of a chance at SEC championships? No. No. Our only success in the last 5 years is in recruiting for the last 2 years. That hasn't transated to wins.....yet. for now the only thing we can say is......."soon". So turning up our nose at Fulmer shows our stupidity.

Now this is a post I can agree with. I personally think those who still believe firing Fulmer was a good thing, have too much pride to admit that they were wrong.

 

[Joe Vols]

In hind sight, firing Fulmer has been a mistake up until now. Hopefully Butch will bail us out of this football drought.

 

[crusse10]

In hind sight, firing Fulmer has been a mistake up until now. Hopefully Butch will bail us out of this football drought.

I firmly disagree. If anything, Fulmer being fired when he did allowed him to bow out with some fans. Had 09 been as bad as it would have been with Fulmer at the helm, there would have been practically no good will for him.

Also, it amazes me that we've gone this far without saying "Wyoming."

 

[OrangeIsLife]

What do you expect Fulmer to say?

Florida sucks.

 

[txbo]

Fulmer's recruiting was the problem. That's why our O-Line was so vulnerable with Kiffin. That's still the primary reason for us having an entirely new O-Line this year.......

You're blaming Fulmer for this year's offensive line? :lolabove::lolabove::lolabove::lolabove::lolabove:

 

[butchna]

Really? You want to look at all 15 years now? A NC. 2 SEC championships. 7 trips to the SEC Championship. A trip to the SEC Championship the year before he was fired. 2 losing seasons out of 15. And lets keep in mind that he did this while having to recruit almost exclusively out of state because we weren't turning out talent in state like Hurd or pulling legacies. Fulmer's record doesn't need the approval of internet turds. His accomplishments speak for themselves.

How's Butch supposed to match that in ONE SEASON? :question:

 

[butchna]

Really? You want to look at all 15 years now? A NC. 2 SEC championships. 7 trips to the SEC Championship. A trip to the SEC Championship the year before he was fired. 2 losing seasons out of 15. And lets keep in mind that he did this while having to recruit almost exclusively out of state because we weren't turning out talent in state like Hurd or pulling legacies. Fulmer's record doesn't need the approval of internet turds. His accomplishments speak for themselves.

Yes they do...the good...and the not so much...at the end he wasn't a good coach...so we replaced him. You obviously disagree...and that's your right. Try learning to deal with people that disagree in a more mature fashion..."INTERNET TURD" will never impress on a doctoral thesis.

 

[crusse10]

You're blaming Fulmer for this year's offensive line? :lolabove::lolabove::lolabove::lolabove::lolabove:

The best scenario for an offensive line is to have only one position leave for graduation/NFL every year. That's pie-in-the-sky. That rarely happens. Due to poor Center and Guard recruiting and player development from 06-08, the 09 team had to start walk-on 255lb interior linemen in the SEC. With better recruiting and player development, those open spots would have been filled with (ideally) a RS freshman, sophomore, or junior. Instead, we had to fill those holes with undersized walk-on seniors. After 2009, we lost both of those fillers as well as a tackle and another guard. Suddenly 2010 is in the position of playing 1 returning tackle alongside 4 freshmen. And just like that, what was once a promising ability to keep 1 revolving door on the line every year, it became a full line in one class.

 

[HollowaytoSeivers]

How's Butch supposed to match that in ONE SEASON? :question:

Let's hope Butch is in Knoxville for 15 seasons so we can compare the two at that point.

 

[Advol]

"Shirley...we can get to a bowl game"

FillUp and Shirley need to get stock of themselves!!

Worry bout ETSU and leave us alone!! :crazy:

 

[Volballfan]

He thinks of himself as a great coach,and he was!...until he wasn't. :unsure:
Truer words have never been uttered on VN my friend. Gold pure gold.

 

[orange parmejohn]

In hind sight, firing Fulmer has been a mistake up until now. Hopefully Butch will bail us out of this football drought.

Firing Fulmer wasn't a mistake. The SEC got better and UT was standing still and watching. The mistakes started after with bad hires that looked even worse because of the improvement across the SECe.

 

[Eddie Vol Halen]

Firing Fulmer wasn't a mistake. The SEC got better and UT was standing still and watching. The mistakes started after with bad hires that looked even worse because of the improvement across the SECe.

SECe has never been weaker in the history of the conference since Tebow graduated. SECe has absolutely been there for the taking.

We would have lit up the East with Taj and Bryce et al. and Fulmer would have had all these legacies as high school juniors.