Fulmer to UK?

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govols/cc said:
Who has had more in your lifetime or more period? Majors had 3 in the same time span as Fulmer. I think a national title may trump at least one of those. Some of y'all act like Tennessee has been dominant world beaters when we have our ups & downs like all teams do. I'd take a Fulmer 8-10 win team right now to be honest. I think a large part of our fan base is just dumb as hell when it comes to sports. Y'all wanted Fulmer gone & got it. What's the problem?
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I was five years old when Fulmer won a NC. That was in 1998. That's ages ago basically.

Maybe if Phil did not get complacent in his "glory years" he would have a better legacy.
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
Not sure I would consider less than 59% as WAY over 50%, but I suppose that's subjective. However, Fulmer's winning percentage his last 10 years was still 66.94% which, btw... is still good enough to rank as the 12th highest winning percentage among all universities.

Perhaps you don't like the guy... I don't know... but his record speaks for itself and certainly qualifies as a great legacy for UT and any other university for that matter.
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2 SEC titles in 17 years=great legacy?

No, it doesn't.
 
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Slydell said:
I know you don't remember the '90's, Z. Might want to research. Second most winning coach at UT not anything at all? I enjoyed going to the NC game that we won. Really, really had a lot of fun. Hope you enjoy yours. Oh, wait! Might not be in your lifetime.
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Fulmer had a great run in the 1990's. When better coaches game in the league and Cut left, he was screwed.
 
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govols/cc said:
Btw here's some real facts. 152-52 in 16 seasons. Since 38-44. Almost as many losses in 3.5 seasons than almost 2 decades & already as many losing seasons. Those SEC championships you speak of, 5 in roughly over 30 years. They don't come easy at all in the toughest conference in the country. As you may be able to tell by now good coaches aren't that easy to find & you don't realize what you got until its gone. You talk about Cutcliffe & he is a good coach but who was the last OC to be promoted to head coach at Tennessee with a 3-0 record as interim coach?
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Point 1: Real facts? UT isn't 38-44 since Fulmer left. 21-23 is correct. Where did you get 38-44?

Point 2: Yeah, who was there for 15 of those year without an SEC title? Fulmer.

Point 3: Really? Because Alabama, Florida (twice!), Georgia, South Carolina, and LSU all have found good coaches since 2001. That's just in the SEC.

Point 4: Who cares how Fulmer got the job? That means nothing in this discussion.
 
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zjcvols said:
Point 1: Real facts? UT isn't 38-44 since Fulmer left. 21-23 is correct. Where did you get 38-44?

Point 2: Yeah, who was there for 15 of those year without an SEC title? Fulmer.

Point 3: Really? Because Alabama, Florida (twice!), Georgia, South Carolina, and LSU all have found good coaches since 2001. That's just in the SEC.

Point 4: Who cares how Fulmer got the job? That means nothing in this discussion.
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Misread some stats but its 21-24. So Fulmer is the only coach that has won in your life & you wanna bash him. You're one of "those fans" unless you're still 5. Championships don't grow on trees you don't get them playing musical coaches. I notice you listed less than half of the SEC.
 
#32
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Yankee_Vol said:
From ESPN Rumor Mill

Apparently Fulmers name has been brought up for UK. Another name mentioned was Cutcliff.
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Fulmer wouldn't go somewhere he has no shot at winning. Fulmer would take a ready made team that's got a chance to win right away at a big name school. If he loved to coach just to coach, he could get a job at a small school and do his thing. The only thing that might make him go to UK would be super duper $$$ and the fact he could basically live near by.
 
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This is just silly. Godawful reporting attempting to fabricate a story.
 
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Brian McCat said:
This is just silly. Godawful reporting attempting to fabricate a story.
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Yeah Kentucky shouldn't fire Joker. He should have the stadium renamed after him for breaking the streak against Tennessee. Lifelong contract waiting for him to sign it is all.
 
#37
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zjcvols said:
Without Cutcliffe: 66-33 (66%) 0 SEC titles

With Cutcliffe (not including 1992): 82-19 (81%) 2 SEC Titles.

Sorry. Those are facts.
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66 wins puts you 5th all time at the top of the Tennessee wins list. Ahead of Wyatt with 65. Sorry. Those are facts.
 
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govols/cc said:
Misread some stats but its 21-24. So Fulmer is the only coach that has won in your life & you wanna bash him. You're one of "those fans" unless you're still 5. Championships don't grow on trees you don't get them playing musical coaches. I notice you listed less than half of the SEC.
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I guess if winning an SEC title when I was under the age of 7 and not doing anything afterwards is winning in my lifetime, then sure. But I was too busy watching Darkwing Duck to care.

One of those fans? That the last ten years of Fulmer's career is a failure? Okay, I'm one of "those" fans, whatever that means.

You're right. I forgot that Kentucky hired Brooks who did well, Petrino was having great success at Arkansas, and Auburn won a title with Gene Chizik.
 
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PimpVol said:
66 wins puts you 5th all time at the top of the Tennessee wins list. Ahead of Wyatt with 65. Sorry. Those are facts.
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How many conference titles has Phillip Fulmer won this century?
 
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TrueOrange said:
He made the college football hall of fame, come on you got to admit that means he has at least some decent legacy
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He has a decent legacy. I'm sorry, two SEC titles in seventeen years just does not impress. Okay, he won a national title. Really, the national title in its current format is a total crapshoot. There's a reason people call it the MNC (Mythical National Championship).

Going to UK and flaming out (and he would) would hurt him and ruin his legacy.
 
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#47
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Sith Vol said:
Love all your posts, but this is ridiculous.
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From 1993-1999, Phil Fulmer was an above average X's & O's coach that was a great recruiter with a great staff that had a chip on his shoulder and was able to capitalize on an SEC that was in flux. From 1993-2000, the only two schools that didn't hire/fire their coach was Tennessee and Florida.

From 2000-2008, Fulmer was an above average X's and O's coach that was an above average recruiter with a decent staff that got complacent and was run out of the league by better coaches.

Does he deserve the College Football Hall of Fame? Yes (even though it's kind of silly to see some coaching names). Does he deserve major props for winning a national title? Yes, that's awesome. Was he someone who got really, really lucky into his career and a lot of weaknesses were overshadowed in the 1990's because of instability among the SEC? Yes.
 
#48
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He's going in the Hall of Fame. He won a national championship at his alma mater. He gets to spend the rest of his life living like an ex-President in East Tennessee. I'd say that's a pretty good legacy.

There's no question that the second half of his career was a massive dropoff, and that Tennessee had to try to move on. But he did enough in the first 10 years to establish a pretty damn strong legacy. Not on the Bryant/Spurrier/Saban level, but very few are.

Can't see him in Lexington.
 
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zjcvols said:
From 1993-1999, Phil Fulmer was an above average X's & O's coach that was a great recruiter with a great staff that had a chip on his shoulder and was able to capitalize on an SEC that was in flux. From 1993-2000, the only two schools that didn't hire/fire their coach was Tennessee and Florida.

From 2000-2008, Fulmer was an above average X's and O's coach that was an above average recruiter with a decent staff that got complacent and was run out of the league by better coaches.

Does he deserve the College Football Hall of Fame? Yes (even though it's kind of silly to see some coaching names). Does he deserve major props for winning a national title? Yes, that's awesome. Was he someone who got really, really lucky into his career and a lot of weaknesses were overshadowed in the 1990's because of instability among the SEC? Yes.
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I agree with what you've said for the most part, but saying his legacy wasn't that great to begin with is a stretch, IMO.
 
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