Fulmer to UK?

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#77
govols/cc said:
I was being sarcastic showing that we had talent regardless of guys getting drafted since he was trying to grade CPF on players that were drafted.
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This is a different argument entirely. So you'd argue that there was no dropoff in talent from Fulmer's salad days, that fewer Vols got drafted because the NFL was just missing out on guys?

And are you sure that's a good argument for Fulmer as, you know, an actual football coach?
 
#78
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Why would anyone want to go coach there? Especially a coach with a reputation like CPF. It's a coaching graveyard at Kentucky.
 
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zjcvols said:
Fulmer's done coaching.

Going to UK would ruin his legacy, which isn't that great to begin with.
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That isn't really what I've heard. If anything, he has been offered a similar contract to what he received at Tennessee.
 
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govols/cc said:
Fulmer didn't dig any hole he had a bad stretch like ALL coaches do. He spoiled too many fair weather fans too early. Some of you act like Tennessee has been a perennial powerhouse for decades. What? 5 conference titles in over 30 years. Hell 1 wasn't even all ours. Get over it we fired a proven winner regardless if you try & break down his career in segments or give other folks credit.
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Since when is ten years a bad stretch?
 
#81
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govols/cc said:
I just think your points are stupid. You're criticizing a coach for a team you "supposedly" like when you have never known one any better. I'm not sure if its age or intelligence or both but championships don't come easy. I don't give a damn what any other team does but you obviously do.
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Ah, the true fan card. Makes sense. That's why I blog/mod on a Vol board. Because I'm not a Vol fan.

I know championships don't come easy. They aren't. Doesn't mean 2 in 17 years is acceptable.
 
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bam15 said:
That isn't really what I've heard. If anything, he has been offered a similar contract to what he received at Tennessee.
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If true, and he becomes the coach, it's dumb on both sides.

I just can't imagine a 60 something, 4 years out of coaching Phil Fulmer is going to find the fire and become an ace recruiter again.
 
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Fulmer is a lot like Gene Chizik.

Fulmer wasn't a good X's and O's guy, as anyone watching those games against Spurrier in the 1990's can attest. Fulmer is a diplomat and recruiter. He succeeds when he has a lot of coaching talent around him, and when he can recruit successfully. He fails miserably when he lacks coaching talent around him and his recruiting is lackluster.

He walked into the greatest situation ever in the 1990s. Johnny Majors had stockpiled coaching talent, but there was a lot of tension between the staff. Fulmer came in and played the diplomat and brought everybody to together. He also went out and brought in some of the best recruiting classes in the nation. With those coaches and top recruits, we were competitive, but we still normally lost to the great coaches, such as Spurrier.

You put Fulmer at Kentucky right now with Randy Sanders and a weak staff, and he will probably have 4-8 and 5-7 seasons. He might upgrade the talent a bit, but that alone won't be enough to compete in the SEC.

Fulmer is not a guy to rebuild a program. He's a guy who can take over a successful program and keep it there. Over time, as we saw at Tennessee, we saw decay in the program and Fulmer could never reverse it. If he were to go to a place like Kentucky, he'd be exposed as an average coach.
 
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zjcvols said:
Since when is ten years a bad stretch?
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You like many others have unrealistic expectations. If a coach is graded simply on championships then every school in the NCAA would be changing staffs every couple years. I'd say 15 bowl games, 2 sec titles, 1 national title with just 2 losing seasons is acceptable at 90% of all D1 universities.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
Fulmer is a lot like Gene Chizik.

Fulmer wasn't a good X's and O's guy, as anyone watching those games against Spurrier in the 1990's can attest. Fulmer is a diplomat and recruiter. He succeeds when he has a lot of coaching talent around him, and when he can recruit successfully. He fails miserably when he lacks coaching talent around him and his recruiting is lackluster.

He walked into the greatest situation ever in the 1990s. Johnny Majors had stockpiled coaching talent, but there was a lot of tension between the staff. Fulmer came in and played the diplomat and brought everybody to together. He also went out and brought in some of the best recruiting classes in the nation. With those coaches and top recruits, we were competitive, but we still normally lost to the great coaches, such as Spurrier.

You put Fulmer at Kentucky right now with Randy Sanders and a weak staff, and he will probably have 4-8 and 5-7 seasons. He might upgrade the talent a bit, but that alone won't be enough to compete in the SEC.

Fulmer is not a guy to rebuild a program. He's a guy who can take over a successful program and keep it there. Over time, as we saw at Tennessee, we saw decay in the program and Fulmer could never reverse it. If he were to go to a place like Kentucky, he'd be exposed as an average coach.
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I guess it's odd Fulmer was one of those coaches as a position coach & OC that that you say he surrounds himself with.
 
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govols/cc said:
You like many others have unrealistic expectations. If a coach is graded simply on championships then every school in the NCAA would be changing staffs every couple years. I'd say 15 bowl games, 2 sec titles, 1 national title with just 2 losing seasons is acceptable at 90% of all D1 universities.
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2 SEC titles should not be acceptable in seventeen years at UT. Under any circumstances.
 
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govols/cc said:
I still don't get the UT superiority.
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UT is one of the ten best college football program historically in the country. UT deserves better than having a coach not win an SEC title in ten years.
 
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#92
govols/cc said:
I still don't get the UT superiority.
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Has nothing to do with history, even. Look how much money we pump into it. Look at the facilities we build.

We either need to have high expectations and hold our coaches to them, or slash the budget, dial back and accept that we're going to be Minnesota. One thing or the other. We've been getting a terrible return on our investment for a decade.
 
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govols/cc said:
1869? Lol. That's all I need to see. We should have at least 40 conference titles & 30 national titles by your rationale then.
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I assume you missed the post immediately above where I said our expectations should have nothing to do with history and everything to do with the resources we're pouring into the football program. If you think we should be happy with 7-5 or 8-4, then presumably you think all the money we're spending on facilities is an obscene waste.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
I assume you missed the post immediately above where I said our expectations should have nothing to do with history and everything to do with the resources we're pouring into the football program. If you think we should be happy with 7-5 or 8-4, then presumably you think all the money we're spending on facilities is an obscene waste.
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Not happy with it but realize that's part of football.
 
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GreatWhiteNorth said:
Cut would be insane to take that job. It's a career-ender.
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This. Getting Duke bowl-eligible almost earns him God status in Durham. He has more than enough job security there now where he can wait for a better job than UK, or he can just stay put knowing he'll have a steady paycheck for a while.
 
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Gramps said:
I think UK would be great place for Fulmer and a good hire for KY.
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Fulmer has never built a program from the ground up as a head coach. He just inherited a loaded Majors roster and kept the momentum alive long enough to win a pair of SEC titles and a national title. UK needs someone who can do major rebuilding work. They obviously can't land a Saban or Spurrier but they can still do better than Fulmer.
 
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zjcvols said:
I was five years old when Fulmer won a NC. That was in 1998. That's ages ago basically.

Maybe if Phil did not get complacent in his "glory years" he would have a better legacy.
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Wait, you're nineteen? And you started posting here when you were 15?
 
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SGMVols said:
Fulmer has never built a program from the ground up as a head coach. He just inherited a loaded Majors roster and kept the momentum alive long enough to win a pair of SEC titles and a national title. UK needs someone who can do major rebuilding work. They obviously can't land a Saban or Spurrier but they can still do better than Fulmer.
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Lol. I guess some folks can make themselves believe anything.
 
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