Fulmer was caught off guard by Hamilton ineptness.

#76
#76
MH MBA from Clemson and his concentration on raising funds (in a good or bad way) suggests to me he may be better suited as CFO within the Athletic Department.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
As stated previously, I agree that respect is warranted. There is a difference, however, when you are talking about an independently owned business (which I assume is what you have) where the boss' word is final, and public entity where someone who is high enough up the ladder at least has the opportunity to rally supporters (shareholders, fans, whoever) and fight back. Also, I don't think advance notice is the right path when you are talking about lawyers, accountants and other fiduciaries who have legal authority to bind you to a contract control your assets.
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Management should always let the staff know what decisions are made concerning his employeement before making it public. It is done in public traded companies and is usually done in situations like this. Hamilton made a gaff. Whether he meant to or not is another subject.
 
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rexvol said:
Fulmer bought an extra year or two with this years recruiting class.....not that he'll do anything with all that talent.....bluechip players are better the first day they step on campus then they are when they graduate
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Now that is a smart post! :crazy:
 
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hatvol96 said:
I love when dimestore Dr. Phils like Beef try to analyze my motives. I spent all of last year saying Cal was a fraud for one simple reason, they stink. They will stink again this year. If Tennessee has to worry about the likes of the Golden Bears, it shows exactly where Haystacks has steered the program.
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Me, most all other posters on this site, almost all bookies and the rest of the sporting world had Cal ranked high. So there's you some dimestore Dr Phil. :salute:
 
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So somebody here wants to argue that Phil's strength is developing talent???? Are you kidding me? Give SOS Phil's talent and he'd have at least 3 national championships.
 
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Beef, oddsmakers don't set lines according to their assessments of teams. They set them to balance wagers. The general public, being clueless, bought Cal's hype. Those who actually pay attention knew Cal was a joke. Those are the foks who wagered enough money to result in unranked Tennessee being a favorite over a top 10 ranked Cal squad. The general public, being clueless, saw that game as some sort of upset or an indication that Tennessee was really good. Those who actually pay attention saw it for what it actually was, a decent Tennessee team crushing an overhyped, outmanned PAC 10 fraud.
 
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rexvol said:
So somebody here wants to argue that Phil's strength is developing talent???? Are you kidding me? Give SOS Phil's talent and he'd have at least 3 national championships.
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I don't think too many of our 40 former Vols on NFL rosters last year could have made the jump to the league straight out of high school.

Coach Fulmer may not be the nation's best at developing talent, but I'd rather argue that he can develop football players than argue that our seniors leave the program worse than when they came in....that's imbecilic.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Beef, oddsmakers don't set lines according to their assessments of teams. They set them to balance wagers. The general public, being clueless, bought Cal's hype. Those who actually pay attention knew Cal was a joke. Those are the foks who wagered enough money to result in unranked Tennessee being a favorite over a top 10 ranked Cal squad. The general public, being clueless, saw that game as some sort of upset or an indication that Tennessee was really good. Those who actually pay attention saw it for what it actually was, a decent Tennessee team crushing an overhyped, outmanned PAC 10 fraud.
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I know they set the lines to draw wagers, bad example on my part. But all the polls had Cal high. The reason UT was favored by most experts opinion is due to it being at UT. I just think you were covering both ends. Hedging if you will.
 
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Beef, I figured you actually knew. I posted that because there are numerous times on here that people attempt to use the lines as some indication of what the gambling experts think about a particular team or game. It was a good opportunity to remind everyone of the real purpose of the odds. I agree with your assessment of the home field factor. That's why Tennessee will be an even better bet aginst Cal this season. It's not like Berkeley is going to intimidate a team that has played in Tuscaloosa, Athens, and Gainesville.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Beef, I figured you actually knew. I posted that because there are numerous times on here that people attempt to use the lines as some indication of what the gambling experts think about a particular team or game. It was a good opportunity to remind everyone of the real purpose of the odds. I agree with your assessment of the home field factor. That's why Tennessee will be an even better bet aginst Cal this season. It's not like Berkeley is going to intimidate a team that has played in Tuscaloosa, Athens, and Gainesville.
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But I'm sure there will be tens of Cal fans there yelling for the Bears. :)
 
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Jaytrain5 said:
I don't think too many of our 40 former Vols on NFL rosters last year could have made the jump to the league straight out of high school.

Coach Fulmer may not be the nation's best at developing talent, but I'd rather argue that he can develop football players than argue that our seniors leave the program worse than when they came in....that's imbecilic.
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Nah, that's rexavolic.
 
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rexvol said:
So somebody here wants to argue that Phil's strength is developing talent???? Are you kidding me? Give SOS Phil's talent and he'd have at least 3 national championships.
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How many Spurrier coached players have went on to have good NFL careers? Travis Taylor? No.... Danny Wuerffel? No..... Oh wait Reche Caldwell? Oh, he dropped a TD pass in the AFC championship game. Jabar Gaffney? No..... Rex Grossman? He did ride a defense to the SuperBowl, then threw the game away. Jesse Palmer? No, He's the Bachelor. Doug Johnson? No. Reidel Anthony? No.

He did develop Fred Taylor though.

CPF might not be the best, but he consistently puts good players in the NFL and competes in the SEC.

Let's see Travis Henry, Al Wilson, Donte Stallworth, Peerless Price, Gibril Wilson, Jamal Lewis, Peyton Manning, Eric Parker, Cedric Wilson, John Henderson, Jason Witten, David Martin, Jason Allen, Cosey Coleman etc. Any of these guys could have made the jump straight from high school to the NFL though, CPF had nothing to do with them playing on Sundays.
 
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I'll type this slowly so that you can understand, yes we have many, many players in the NFL, but how many championships since 98 do we have to show for it? The NFL will draft on talent with the certainity that they can develop it, so the "players in the league" argument doesnt hold water, it actually supports the "Phil does less with more" assertation.
 
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#91
If anything, the fact that so many of Fulmer's former players have gone on to NFL success after mediocre college performances indicates that Fulmer is not getting anywhere close to 100% from his players. That is a coaching problem.
 
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rexvol said:
I'll type this slowly so that you can understand, yes we have many, many players in the NFL, but how many championships since 98 do we have to show for it? The NFL will draft on talent with the certainity that they can develop it, so the "players in the league" argument doesnt hold water, it actually supports the "Phil does less with more" assertation.
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If you want to believe that then ok. But then again some people believe that Elvis is still alive. :crazy:
 
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#93
The "players in the league argument" doesn't support your "less with more" position...and, if you believe that, you're as slow as your typing.

The bottom line is, your claim is preposterous.

To suggest that players leave our program no better than the day they come in is nonsense...naturally some players improve more than others, some kids develop and some kids don't...some sleepers become all-conference selections, and some blue-chips become busts. But your argument is lacking common sense, and it's difficult for me to take you seriously here.

Furthermore, I'm in no way satisfied with Coach Fulmer's accomplishments over the last 8 years. I think we had 2 teams (99,01) that should have had rings...the 04 team was solid, and got as far as it could go, but the 05 team should have been in Atlanta...but, you claim that Spurrier could have had at least 3 national championships at Tennessee with Fulmer's talent....was his talent at Florida that bad? In the early 90's Florida had the edge...in the late 90's, I'd say the talent was fairly equal...Spurrier never had a talent deficiency in Gainesville, and he only got one national title. What makes you think he'd do so much better in Knoxville?

Your arguments are unfounded and wildly exaggerated...I know Fulmer isn't the nation's, the conference's, or even the division's best coach, but I'm level-headed enough to know that players don't leave the program worse than when they came in. Are you really so blinded by your dislike for coach Fulmer that you believe your arguments make sense?
 
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rexvol said:
I'll type this slowly so that you can understand, yes we have many, many players in the NFL, but how many championships since 98 do we have to show for it? The NFL will draft on talent with the certainity that they can develop it, so the "players in the league" argument doesnt hold water, it actually supports the "Phil does less with more" assertation.
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I'm not taking up CPF. He's not the greatest coach around. But to say players get worse when they come here is an absurd statement. Do you think any of those players listed could have made the jump from High School to the NFL? No. The 99 and 01 classes should have been NCs. Where has Spurrier taking USC? Exactly where they were expected to be. They will not be playing for NCs anytime soon. The talent deficit at UF and UT was never been large enough to consider Spurrier God's gift to coaching because he beat Fulmer while at Florida.
 
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