GA Dems propose limitations on vasectomies

[KiffinKiller]

yes. You don't think that's valid?

I know people who believe miscarriages are gods will. So I will agree.

 

[utvolpj]

People die of natural causes too. Does that mean god is murdering them?

that would require a view that god controls human lives. I don't really believe that

 

[OrangeEmpire]

yes. You don't think that's valid?

Miscarriage is murder?

Motive, suspect

 

[OrangeEmpire]

that would require a view that god controls human lives. I don't really believe that

This is going every where, God controls choice?

 

[volfanjustin]

do you support the death penalty?

Sure do. Apples to oranges.

 

[utvolpj]

Miscarriage is murder?

Motive, suspect

mysterious ways, Almighty being

 

[OrangeEmpire]

mysterious ways, Almighty being

Seriously, what would be the motive for an immortal being to cause a miscarriage?

 

[golfballs]

that would require a view that god controls human lives. I don't really believe that

so I don't understand why you're equating miscarriages to murder

murder is the result of a person's action that ends a life.

 

[golfballs]

not all death is defined as a murder

 

[KiffinKiller]

Sure do. Apples to oranges.

not the way you worded it.

 

[volinbham]

Lots of bad analogies in here. Sperm or egg alone are distinct from fertilized egg. Miscarriage is not murder. Humans murder (human taking human life) - God or whatever doesn't murder. Getting killed by an alligator is not murder (unless someone tied you up and dumped you in an alligator pit).

Words have meaning.

 

[utvolpj]

Seriously, what would be the motive for an immortal being to cause a miscarriage?

I don't know but could this being not have prevented it? Also, what would be the motive for creating life?

 

[KiffinKiller]

Seriously, what would be the motive for an immortal being to cause a miscarriage?

you're thinking rationally. that was your first mistake. People see miscarriages as God's will. Not all people...but I know some who do.

 

[volinbham]

you're thinking rationally. that was your first mistake. People see miscarriages as God's will. Not all people...but I know some who do.

Still doesn't make it murder.

 

[utvolpj]

Lots of bad analogies in here. Sperm or egg alone are distinct from fertilized egg. Miscarriage is not murder. Humans murder (human taking human life) - God or whatever doesn't murder. Getting killed by an alligator is not murder (unless someone tied you up and dumped you in an alligator pit).

Words have meaning.

sure but so does your viewpoint. I don't view abortion (up to a personally decided upon point) or miscarriage as murder. Defining the same action of God and man by 2 different words seems a bit odd to me.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

I don't know but could this being not have prevented it? Also, what would be the motive for creating life?

Are you asking for the biblical answer?

worship with the ability for free thought

what the angels could not provide because of blind service

 

[OrangeEmpire]

you're thinking rationally. that was your first mistake. People see miscarriages as God's will. Not all people...but I know some who do.

As do I. It is a comfort mechanism.

 

[golfballs]

Lots of bad analogies in here. Sperm or egg alone are distinct from fertilized egg. Miscarriage is not murder. Humans murder (human taking human life) - God or whatever doesn't murder. Getting killed by an alligator is not murder (unless someone tied you up and dumped you in an alligator pit).

Words have meaning.

:hi:

 

[utvolpj]

Are you asking for the biblical answer?

worship with the ability for free thought

what the angels could not provide because of blind service

no not really. Just throwing out my thoughts on the subject. I have little to fall back on except for my personal views/beliefs/experiences

 

[OrangeEmpire]

no not really. Just throwing out my thoughts on the subject. I have little to fall back on except for my personal views/beliefs/experiences

Fair enough

 

[KiffinKiller]

Still doesn't make it murder.

I understand. But if you believe its god's will - you can't prove it isnt can you?

 

[OrangeEmpire]

I understand. But if you believe its god's will - you can't prove it isnt can you?

Gods will is a control tactic created by the roman church.

That is for another day.

 

[volinbham]

sure but so does your viewpoint. I don't view abortion (up to a personally decided upon point) or miscarriage as murder. Defining the same action of God and man by 2 different words seems a bit odd to me.

Seriously on the last part? (Disclaimer - I don't believe God is throwing miscarriages at people).

Not sure what you mean by "personally decided upon point".

Final clarification - I don't consider abortion murder but clearly an unborn child is different than sperm. Further, the notion that an unborn child goes from zero rights to full human rights in the moment it pops out of the vag doesn't fly with me either.

 

[volinbham]

I understand. But if you believe its god's will - you can't prove it isnt can you?

Murder? An omnipotent being taking human life is murder? Why isn't a wolf eating a baby murder?

 

[KiffinKiller]

Gods will is a control tactic created by the roman church.

That is for another day.

obviously I don't believe miscarriages are murder by ghostly apparition, I'm just exploring the thinking behind it.