'18 GA LB JJ Peterson (Tennessee signee)

[SSVol]

I think it is just Lyle now. Nothing butch about him.

Unless you wish to think of him as a lesbian playing trumpet the marching band.

 

[Coach Punk]

At all, should have played last year.

I am all for dark horse candidates shining. New scheme, new coaches, new opportunities. The fact we can’t come to a consensus about who will even be in the two deep makes me feel real good about the team in 2018 AND 2019.

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

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Crown jewel of the class gets it.

 

[Volnukem]

Huge number of our current players were recruited by 3-4 teams. Along with Emerson, Lawless and the latest additions, we’re much more suited for the 3-4 than the weak azz 4-2-5 we’ve been sporting. At some spots we don’t have an IDEAL fit but many teams that run the 3-4 don’t.

You might want to watch Bama last year. They ran a nickel or dime package >70% of all defensive snaps. That’s college football now.

 

[butchna]

You might want to watch Bama last year. They ran a nickel or dime package >70% of all defensive snaps. That’s college football now.

Just because you have four players up on the line doesn’t mean they’re running a 4-3 or 4-2-5. The Pats are cited as running the four man line frequently but the players have different responsibilities. You might have the two inside DL bunching up to fill the role a traditional NT performs and blitz the inside linebackers or DB’s from different angles. Just my uneducated perspective.

 

[Vol865]

Just because you have four players up on the line doesn’t mean they’re running a 4-3 or 4-2-5. The Pats are cited as running the four man line frequently but the players have different responsibilities. You might have the two inside DL bunching up to fill the role a traditional NT performs and blitz the inside linebackers or DB’s from different angles. Just my uneducated perspective.

2-4-5 nickel package. Still treated as a 40 front

 

[butchna]

2-4-5 nickel package. Still treated as a 40 front

Treated...plays differently.

 

[UTVOLS1614]

you guys are forgetting about sapp to hell definately contribute. I think bituli allen and taylor man the outside spots. Dk sapp ignont peterson will all contribute on the inside.

 

[Vol8188]

2-4-5 nickel package. Still treated as a 40 front

And most 3-4 teams play that nickel package more than base because of how common 11 and 10 personnel groupings are.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

I think this guy could be our best LB from day 1.

 

[Vol865]

Treated...plays differently.

Not really. Still two 2 techs and two 5 techs. Basically not a whole lot of difference other than your edge rushers stand up.

 

[Vol865]

And most 3-4 teams play that nickel package more than base because of how common 11 and 10 personnel groupings are.

I know. I was just saying it changes your athletes more than it does anything. Offense is still going to count the OLBs as down lineman. Although it could help them drop on a zone blitz from a 2 pt stance.

 

[butchna]

Not really. Still two 2 techs and two 5 techs. Basically not a whole lot of difference other than your edge rushers stand up.

It’s the Bear front.
* It’s a five-man front with the nose tackle head over the center as opposed to a gap at the center’s shoulder. Then, the two defensive ends line up at the outside shoulders of the guards. This forces each guard to play to his outside gap without help, as the center is occupied with the nose tackle. Then, outside linebackers rush the passer from the outside of the formation in one-on-one battles against offensive tackles—though at times they get chip blocks from tight ends and running backs.
The Bear Front worked then and works now because in addition to the matchups issues it creates at the line of scrimmage, it also allows inside linebackers to naturally flow though and disrupt the pocket. Bears linebacker Mike Singletary made it to the Hall of Fame in part because of his ability to break through those openings quickly and effectively.
It’s easiest for a 3-4 base defense to run a Bear front without substituting players from a personnel perspective, but you’ll see different iterations from 4-3 base teams as well. The Eagles like to present a linebacker where the nose tackle would be to create pre-snap confusion for the quarterback, and as long as the spacing causes problems for the offensive line, you’ll see the Bear Front in the modern NFL.
- [ ] 3-4 Notes

 

[Vol8188]

It’s the Bear front.
* It’s a five-man front with the nose tackle head over the center as opposed to a gap at the center’s shoulder. Then, the two defensive ends line up at the outside shoulders of the guards. This forces each guard to play to his outside gap without help, as the center is occupied with the nose tackle. Then, outside linebackers rush the passer from the outside of the formation in one-on-one battles against offensive tackles—though at times they get chip blocks from tight ends and running backs.
The Bear Front worked then and works now because in addition to the matchups issues it creates at the line of scrimmage, it also allows inside linebackers to naturally flow though and disrupt the pocket. Bears linebacker Mike Singletary made it to the Hall of Fame in part because of his ability to break through those openings quickly and effectively.
It’s easiest for a 3-4 base defense to run a Bear front without substituting players from a personnel perspective, but you’ll see different iterations from 4-3 base teams as well. The Eagles like to present a linebacker where the nose tackle would be to create pre-snap confusion for the quarterback, and as long as the spacing causes problems for the offensive line, you’ll see the Bear Front in the modern NFL.
- [ ] 3-4 Notes

When I’ve ran defenses in the past, I’ve always been a 3-4 guy. Bear was our go to defense in short yardage. You just line your DEs up in 3 techniques and your OLBs as 5s. It’s really easy and effective.

Technically though what you and I are describing is a double eagle front (2 guys “eagles down” to 3 techniques). Most call it bear. But a true bear is a 6 man front. Same alignment for everyone else except you have a 7 and a 9 on the TE.

 

[Vol8188]

If anyone is interested in more on the bear or doubles eagle defenses, this is a great video. That single defense is one of the biggest reasons you rarely see a FB and see so many teams playing in the gun. Coaching 101: Double Eagle defense :: WRALSportsFan.com

 

[Volnukem]

It’s the Bear front.
* It’s a five-man front with the nose tackle head over the center as opposed to a gap at the center’s shoulder. Then, the two defensive ends line up at the outside shoulders of the guards. This forces each guard to play to his outside gap without help, as the center is occupied with the nose tackle. Then, outside linebackers rush the passer from the outside of the formation in one-on-one battles against offensive tackles—though at times they get chip blocks from tight ends and running backs.
The Bear Front worked then and works now because in addition to the matchups issues it creates at the line of scrimmage, it also allows inside linebackers to naturally flow though and disrupt the pocket. Bears linebacker Mike Singletary made it to the Hall of Fame in part because of his ability to break through those openings quickly and effectively.
It’s easiest for a 3-4 base defense to run a Bear front without substituting players from a personnel perspective, but you’ll see different iterations from 4-3 base teams as well. The Eagles like to present a linebacker where the nose tackle would be to create pre-snap confusion for the quarterback, and as long as the spacing causes problems for the offensive line, you’ll see the Bear Front in the modern NFL.
- [ ] 3-4 Notes

I’m really confused. You were just talking about a 2-4-5, which is a nickel package and definitely not a bear front. Vol865 is right. We will have five DB’s on the field most of the time because offenses will have at least 3 WR on the field. To the average fan, our defense will look a lot like last years with four guys on the LOS and two linebackers and 5 defensive backs. On running downs we will be in a 3-3-5 Over and on passing downs we will pull the NT and play a 2-4-5. Regardless, you will see the base 3-4 about as often as we saw base 4-3 under Butch.

 

[Sleegro]

If anyone is interested in more on the bear or doubles eagle defenses, this is a great video. That single defense is one of the biggest reasons you rarely see a FB and see so many teams playing in the gun. Coaching 101: Double Eagle defense :: WRALSportsFan.com

Great video explanation. Thanks. Also when he explains the game plan to break the defense.

 

[butchna]

I’m really confused. You were just talking about a 2-4-5, which is a nickel package and definitely not a bear front. Vol865 is right. We will have five DB’s on the field most of the time because offenses will have at least 3 WR on the field. To the average fan, our defense will look a lot like last years with four guys on the LOS and two linebackers and 5 defensive backs. On running downs we will be in a 3-3-5 Over and on passing downs we will pull the NT and play a 2-4-5. Regardless, you will see the base 3-4 about as often as we saw base 4-3 under Butch.

Read what I posted again. It’s a variation of that and it won’t look ANYTHING like what we did last year...or the year before...or the year before... the responsibilities of the players up on the line and behind the line will be vastly different. You’re not dependent on the pass rush generated from your DL...it’ll come from multiple others without blitzing.

 

[rgvol]

And good db play.

 

[WarMachine]

If anyone is interested in more on the bear or doubles eagle defenses, this is a great video. That single defense is one of the biggest reasons you rarely see a FB and see so many teams playing in the gun. Coaching 101: Double Eagle defense :: WRALSportsFan.com

Thanks for posting that.

 

[Caleb59seal]

I have been a secondary coach for a few years now and have cut my teeth on Nick Saban, and his terminology and ideology of defensive football. I CAN TELL YOU THAT WHERE IT'S 4-2, or 3-4 or 2-4 or 3-3 or yes even 2-3 (i have seen it done) it doesn't matter a whole heck of a lot if you don't have the dudes and execution of the defense. Questions like: do you know where your help is, what leverage can you play with considering the guy is 3 yards out from the sidelines, what is your gap reaonsiblity on Webb action (your flow rules) AND most importantly if they do this, do you know what our answer will be... And do we have an answer.

I am a very big advocate for Jeremy Pruitt (anytime you tweak Nick Saban's Cov. 7 package you know what the HE!! You're doing)
I plan on doing some diagrams this year for anybody that would like to see them (if I can figure out how to insert the photos) but I say all that to see nobody in this discussion has been wrong, there is just a lot of ways to skin a cat!

 

[Caleb59seal]

If anyone is interested in more on the bear or doubles eagle defenses, this is a great video. That single defense is one of the biggest reasons you rarely see a FB and see so many teams playing in the gun. Coaching 101: Double Eagle defense :: WRALSportsFan.com

Also great post I have always appreciated what you bring to the forum!

 

[Coach Punk]

I have been a secondary coach for a few years now and have cut my teeth on Nick Saban, and his terminology and ideology of defensive football. I CAN TELL YOU THAT WHERE IT'S 4-2, or 3-4 or 2-4 or 3-3 or yes even 2-3 (i have seen it done) it doesn't matter a whole heck of a lot if you don't have the dudes and execution of the defense. Questions like: do you know where your help is, what leverage can you play with considering the guy is 3 yards out from the sidelines, what is your gap reaonsiblity on Webb action (your flow rules) AND most importantly if they do this, do you know what our answer will be... And do we have an answer.

I am a very big advocate for Jeremy Pruitt (anytime you tweak Nick Saban's Cov. 7 package you know what the HE!! You're doing)
I plan on doing some diagrams this year for anybody that would like to see them (if I can figure out how to insert the photos) but I say all that to see nobody in this discussion has been wrong, there is just a lot of ways to skin a cat!

Freak has a rule about not being too specific about coaching points and tactics and so forth. But staying general (and not breaking down film for our opponents) is fine.

And I have been watching the Alabama/Kiffin offense and it is pretty sad. But with the dudes they got running it even hot garbage turned into gold. Same thing with Clemson with Watson: hot garbage but works. Because, Watson. Without Watson just hot garbage with above average skill players.

 

[RiseToTheTop]

Bud Foster is awesome with the Bear front.

 

[LouderVol]

Freak has a rule about not being too specific about coaching points and tactics and so forth. But staying general (and not breaking down film for our opponents) is fine.

And I have been watching the Alabama/Kiffin offense and it is pretty sad. But with the dudes they got running it even hot garbage turned into gold. Same thing with Clemson with Watson: hot garbage but works. Because, Watson. Without Watson just hot garbage with above average skill players.

really?