'24 GA LB Jordan Burns (Tennessee)

[Jackcrevol]

Oh okay. I’m bashing the kid bc I’m speaking the truth. How many of these other elite players have Vandy and Arkansas in their top three?

Fwiw I’m fine with the commitment I just think it’s early given the other talent we’re in on at the position.

On3 says Auburn and Tech offered.

That he had visited Candy and Arkansas.

 

[RAVOL]

From a coaching standpoint they see a kid that Athletic good speed has great instincts and loves contact. Our LB room looks great with young talent so while he develops you may see him play some H Back role he understands running game and he loves to try and pancake defenders. This kid is talented and can play multiple positions as well as special teams. Welcome Mr Burns . In CHRIST Alone

 

[sjt18]

Oh okay. I’m bashing the kid bc I’m speaking the truth.

Yeah. You are using the fact that certain programs were interesting to him to act like he isn't any good. Just own it. Your biased view of the "truth" isn't... "the truth".

How he came to that point I have not heard. He did say however that he is excited to attend UT because it gives him the opportunity to get an engineering degree. So in regard to Vandy maybe he was attracted to the academics? Maybe he liked Arkansas because he likes hills? Who really knows. Arkansas isn't having a terrible recruiting year either. Five of their current 12 commits are 4*.

But reasoning it out really isn't you, huh? Looking at possibilities that do not conclude with the kid being sub-par have no appeal to you, right?

How many of these other elite players have Vandy and Arkansas in their top three?

Ridiculous question since neither of us have intimate knowledge of the feelings and preferences of the 400+ "elite players" per the recruiting sites.

Maybe... just maybe... he fell in love with UT and declined other opportunities? Is it not possible that the other programs who offered would have wanted to get an OV? Would we know if he declined unless he decided to say something?

Fwiw I’m fine with the commitment I just think it’s early given the other talent we’re in on at the position.

And that's probably the big difference between you and me and maybe others.

From what I understand at most programs they have "boards" but players are looked at in groups or buckets. So if you have 5 players in your top bucket and one of them wants to commit you take them even if #1 is still a possibility. You view those players in that grouping with equal or extremely similar value and potential.

That may not and usually does not align completely with the recruiting sites which you are probably hung up on. So the short answer there is that if they thought there were players available that were tons better than this kid and realistic possibilities... they wouldn't have taken his commitment.


I took another poster to task for claiming to have watched "film" on a recruit. We have access to highlight videos which obviously show a player's best plays and not the ones where he gets knocked on his can, fumbles, drops a pass, runs a rainbow route, throws a pick, etc.

However his video looks a lot like the ones from the LBs they took in the last class. He plays fast and is violent.

You just had a kneejerk negative reaction to this kid.

 

[DaddyChad]

Yeah. You are using the fact that certain programs were interesting to him to act like he isn't any good. Just own it. Your biased view of the "truth" isn't... "the truth".

How he came to that point I have not heard. He did say however that he is excited to attend UT because it gives him the opportunity to get an engineering degree. So in regard to Vandy maybe he was attracted to the academics? Maybe he liked Arkansas because he likes hills? Who really knows. Arkansas isn't having a terrible recruiting year either. Five of their current 12 commits are 4*.

But reasoning it out really isn't you, huh? Looking at possibilities that do not conclude with the kid being sub-par have no appeal to you, right?

Ridiculous question since neither of us have intimate knowledge of the feelings and preferences of the 400+ "elite players" per the recruiting sites.

Maybe... just maybe... he fell in love with UT and declined other opportunities? Is it not possible that the other programs who offered would have wanted to get an OV? Would we know if he declined unless he decided to say something?


And that's probably the big difference between you and me and maybe others.

From what I understand at most programs they have "boards" but players are looked at in groups or buckets. So if you have 5 players in your top bucket and one of them wants to commit you take them even if #1 is still a possibility. You view those players in that grouping with equal or extremely similar value and potential.

That may not and usually does not align completely with the recruiting sites which you are probably hung up on. So the short answer there is that if they thought there were players available that were tons better than this kid and realistic possibilities... they wouldn't have taken his commitment.


I took another poster to task for claiming to have watched "film" on a recruit. We have access to highlight videos which obviously show a player's best plays and not the ones where he gets knocked on his can, fumbles, drops a pass, runs a rainbow route, throws a pick, etc.

However his video looks a lot like the ones from the LBs they took in the last class. He plays fast and is violent.

You just had a kneejerk negative reaction to this kid.

Actually like the LBers we took last class. This isn’t a knee jerk reaction. You don’t have to have “intimate knowledge” to know most elite recruits DO NOT have Vandy in their finalists. Again you’re speculating with the isn’t any good comments; he’s good I just don’t see that he will be better than a role player on this team. It’s an early take by the staff imo (which I know doesn’t matter). I just think we’re at a different level right now with the kids we’re recruiting.

So I’m sincerely sorry for having a differing opinion from the echo chamber that’s become the recruiting forum these days. Fwiw I hope I’m proven to be a DA and the kid has a great career here.

 

[sjt18]

Actually like the LBers we took last class. This isn’t a knee jerk reaction. You don’t have to have “intimate knowledge” to know most elite recruits DO NOT have Vandy in their finalists.

And so what? If he can play then he can play. You asked for an example. I took a different and easier angle. Vandy signed Alston Orji in 2018. He was a 4* out of HS with an offer to UGA who took visits to Texas, OU, ND, Washington, and.... Vandy. He signed with Vandy. Is that "elite" enough?

BTW, he was 4th in the SEC in tackles last year and looked like a really good player. I have a hard time understanding why an "elite" recruit would go to a place where they know they're going to be on bad teams... but some do.

Burns actually didn't... but some do.

Again you’re speculating with the isn’t any good comments; he’s good I just don’t see that he will be better than a role player on this team.

Based on what precisely? Other than being interested in schools that you think poorly of... what objective reason do you have to claim he has low potential? Even the recruiting sites don't "hate" him.

It’s an early take by the staff imo (which I know doesn’t matter). I just think we’re at a different level right now with the kids we’re recruiting.

But the staff very obviously disagrees. While the recruiting sites are pretty superficial and indirect in their ratings... UT and other top programs are not. Did you get a chance to listen to the video with AP and the OL commit from Texas? They evaluated him down to the point where they told him lateral movement was an area for improvement... and not only that but that specific area flexibility was holding him back... then gave him ways to improve it.

They've worked Burns out doing the same tests and drills as the others... and when he wanted to commit they grabbed him.

This is somewhat reminiscent of Leacock. UT grabbed him and a lot of people were critical because his offers weren't great and he was a 3*. In all honesty, I didn't think his highlight videos were all that great. Then... others started to notice. He ended up ranked in the top 15 of WRs according to both 247 and On3. The staff has done similar things a few times already. They've "found" guys that others either undervalued or overlooked.

If they like this kid enough to take him right now then I suspect they have really, really, really good reasons.

So I’m sincerely sorry for having a differing opinion from the echo chamber that’s become the recruiting forum these days. Fwiw I hope I’m proven to be a DA and the kid has a great career here.

Really? Poor, poor fella... you are such a tragic victim of those "meanies" who challenged your opinion's MERITS.

 

[Dansky]

Yeah. You are using the fact that certain programs were interesting to him to act like he isn't any good. Just own it. Your biased view of the "truth" isn't... "the truth".

How he came to that point I have not heard. He did say however that he is excited to attend UT because it gives him the opportunity to get an engineering degree. So in regard to Vandy maybe he was attracted to the academics? Maybe he liked Arkansas because he likes hills? Who really knows. Arkansas isn't having a terrible recruiting year either. Five of their current 12 commits are 4*.

But reasoning it out really isn't you, huh? Looking at possibilities that do not conclude with the kid being sub-par have no appeal to you, right?

Ridiculous question since neither of us have intimate knowledge of the feelings and preferences of the 400+ "elite players" per the recruiting sites.

Maybe... just maybe... he fell in love with UT and declined other opportunities? Is it not possible that the other programs who offered would have wanted to get an OV? Would we know if he declined unless he decided to say something?


And that's probably the big difference between you and me and maybe others.

From what I understand at most programs they have "boards" but players are looked at in groups or buckets. So if you have 5 players in your top bucket and one of them wants to commit you take them even if #1 is still a possibility. You view those players in that grouping with equal or extremely similar value and potential.

That may not and usually does not align completely with the recruiting sites which you are probably hung up on. So the short answer there is that if they thought there were players available that were tons better than this kid and realistic possibilities... they wouldn't have taken his commitment.


I took another poster to task for claiming to have watched "film" on a recruit. We have access to highlight videos which obviously show a player's best plays and not the ones where he gets knocked on his can, fumbles, drops a pass, runs a rainbow route, throws a pick, etc.

However his video looks a lot like the ones from the LBs they took in the last class. He plays fast and is violent.

You just had a kneejerk negative reaction to this kid.

We will see. Would feel better if Ga., Bama, tOSU, LSU, etc had offered. But there are always some undiscovered talent out there. Let’s hope.

 

[swchandler1988]

We will see. Would feel better if Ga., Bama, tOSU, LSU, etc had offered. But there are always some undiscovered talent out there. Let’s hope.

USCw, Michigan, Texas AM, Oklahoma, Ole Miss, Kentucky, Florida, Auburn doesn’t do it for you?

 

[sjt18]

We will see. Would feel better if Ga., Bama, tOSU, LSU, etc had offered. But there are always some undiscovered talent out there. Let’s hope.

There are hits and misses in every class. Bama and UGA both have players in every class that don't pan out or aren't as good as advertised.

Along with Bryce Young Bama signed a 5* named Chris Braswell in 2020. Young is in the NFL... Braswell has 34 career tackles with 15 in 18 SEC games. So even Saban who does it as well as anyone has ever done it misses sometimes.

 

[bigl3327]

There are hits and misses in every class. Bama and UGA both have players in every class that don't pan out or aren't as good as advertised.

Along with Bryce Young Bama signed a 5* named Chris Braswell in 2020. Young is in the NFL... Braswell has 34 career tackles with 15 in 18 SEC games. So even Saban who does it as well as anyone has ever done it misses sometimes.

The coaches told this kid that he would have to come in and work his a$$ off to earn playing time. Not start, but just playing time and he still committed. I'm sorry, but that's the type of 4* recruits that I want in this program. That tells me that he will shed blood, sweat, and tears for the power T. The fact that he is likely headed for a major bump in the rankings this year is just an added bonus.

 

[butchna]

Every season Bama loads up on 5 star OL and RBs, yet this past season their starting LT was a portal from VANDY and their starting RB was a portal from GEORGIA TECH. According to the present rules, shouldn't they have been ineligible?

 

[sjt18]

The coaches told this kid that he would have to come in and work his a$$ off to earn playing time. Not start, but just playing time and he still committed. I'm sorry, but that's the type of 4* recruits that I want in this program. That tells me that he will shed blood, sweat, and tears for the power T. The fact that he is likely headed for a major bump in the rankings this year is just an added bonus.

I hope that's the message to every kid. It seems counterintuitive but that rather than promises and prima donna treatment is what builds your roster. Saban, Smart, et al haven't and don't make promises. They don't guarantee a "5* kid" anything they don't guarantee anyone else. "Come in and earn it."

Just another reason to like Heupel and his chances of success over previous coaches.

 

[sneakergawd]

This LB class has the chance to be really special with Burns, Spillman, & Cole

 

[NighthawkVol]

Things have been quiet around this kid. How is his season going so far?

 

[Ericvol2096]

Things have been quiet around this kid. How is his season going so far?

 

[SSVol]

So just for reference, how many services does he need to be a 4* on before we move from freaking out over the project the coaches took to celebrating their amazing evaluation skills? I need clarity.

 

[LouderVol]

So just for reference, how many services does he need to be a 4* on before we move from freaking out over the project the coaches took to celebrating their amazing evaluation skills? I need clarity.

If you talk to the sun shine pumpers, its always a good eval by the coaches, even when he never plays a down.
If you talk to the realists, you only need 1 service to rate him a 4*, even ESPN is even acceptable here.
If you talk to the NegaVols he has to be a 5 star on at least one site, and he has to specifically callout both the coaches and Spyre as the sole reasons he chose us over the Kansas City Chiefs; anything less and he is a scrub, our coaches can't close, and our NIL blows.

 

[HalfullVol]

JB is gonna be good.

 

[drvenner]

So just for reference, how many services does he need to be a 4* on before we move from freaking out over the project the coaches took to celebrating their amazing evaluation skills? I need clarity.

The only service I care about is the service run by Josh Heupel and the assistant coaches.

 

[wmcovol]

I like this kid. Wanted to come to Tennessee regardless of who theyre recruiting. Gotta love that

 

[VolByLaw]

Elsewhere Tennessee commitment Jordan Burns shined on both sides of the football on Friday night for Pace Academy. Burns recorded 10 tackles including two for a loss. He also carried the ball for 92 yards and a touchdown.

-VQ

 

[RAVOL]

Film this year looks great. Man does he like contact with his athletic ability. In CHRIST Alone

 

[kamoshika]

Film this year looks great. Man does he like contact with his athletic ability. In CHRIST Alone

 

[Glitch]

-VQ

Are we moving him to RB now?

 

[MoB_MoVols]

Brian Jean Mary is going by to see Jordan Burns with additional stops in the area. He is also going down to Orlando as well.

-VQ

 

[MoB_MoVols]

Banks will be joined by Brian Jean-Mary on Saturday for an in-home visit with Jordan Burns.

-VQ