Game Thread: (11/12) Lady Vols 63 - UCLA. 80

[FormerLadyVolFan]

Just got back from the game and figured that the Negas would be back in full force and I wasn't disappointed. So, how many of you paid the money and watched the game? I'll bet not many. Brian Rice is great on the radio broadcast, but unless you were there or watched the game on TV, you probably don't know what you're talking about.

No, Kellie hasn't lost the team and no, they're not passive and haven't given up. It's November and they are figuring things out against different types of opponents. Yes, UCLA was fast and quick and made 50% of their threes. We played good defense, but their constant screening would eventually get someone open for three, and more often than not, they made the shot.

They fouled almost constantly, but didn't get anywhere near the foul calls that they should have - more on that later. We were 20-31 from the FT line and had a lot of empty possessions on offense - you can't win that way. Almost every time Jordy drove to the rim, she was being pushed by her defender, so she would just miss the shot on the rim and no foul was called.

IMHO, we played mostly good defense but couldn't capitalize on the offensive end.

I have no clue where these officials came from, but I'm guessing high school. Their mechanics were terrible and they missed basic things like checking in players. I have never witnessed a basketball game where one official called a foul and another official called a timeout at the same time. Of course this wiped out a foul on UCLA and a change of possession for us.

This is no time to give up - basketball is a tournament sport and there's a lot of basketball yet to be played. If it makes you feel better to wait in the wings for a loss to criticize the coaches and players, then shame on you. I just wished we had another thread for trolls so I didn't have to read their uniformed vitriol.

 

[volboogie]

Just got back from the game and figured that the Negas would be back in full force and I wasn't disappointed. So, how many of you paid the money and watched the game? I'll bet not many. Brian Rice is great on the radio broadcast, but unless you were there or watched the game on TV, you probably don't know what you're talking about.

No, Kellie hasn't lost the team and no, they're not passive and haven't given up. It's November and they are figuring things out against different types of opponents. Yes, UCLA was fast and quick and made 50% of their threes. We played good defense, but their constant screening would eventually get someone open for three, and more often than not, they made the shot.

They fouled almost constantly, but didn't get anywhere near the foul calls that they should have - more on that later. We were 20-31 from the FT line and had a lot of empty possessions on offense - you can't win that way. Almost every time Jordy drove to the rim, she was being pushed by her defender, so she would just miss the shot on the rim and no foul was called.

IMHO, we played mostly good defense but couldn't capitalize on the offensive end.

I have no clue where these officials came from, but I'm guessing high school. Their mechanics were terrible and they missed basic things like checking in players. I have never witnessed a basketball game where one official called a foul and another official called a timeout at the same time. Of course this wiped out a foul on UCLA and a change of possession for us.

This is no time to give up - basketball is a tournament sport and there's a lot of basketball yet to be played. If it makes you feel better to wait in the wings for a loss to criticize the coaches and players, then shame on you. I just wished we had another thread for trolls so I didn't have to read their uniformed vitriol.

 

[lvocd]

If any fan is allowing themselves to get physically sick over the Lady Vol situation I suggest they move away from the game and reassess their values. It is only a game that has been headed South before KJH took the reins. I am sad at the direction it is going but I refuse to allow it to affect my health and mental well being. In reality, I do not have the ability to change the situation and make it better. In essence, all I can really do is complain and hope for better results.

IT WAS GALLOWS HUMOR! Good grief.

 

[NoBackBoard]

Old news. My condolences though.

Who died?

 

[gule]

I'm transitioning from being a CKH supporter.

 

[gule]

bring in Andy landers to run the show the rest of the season and let Kellie just be a figure head, since she can't figure out how to teach these girls anything.

 

[Pat4life]

GET ME BODIED. Welp. How do you respond? Hopefully these bloody noses, now hardened and toughen us up later in the season where certain things want even fave them. It was UCLA's night, the shot the 3 lights out, but the lack of defense, rebounds and toughness. GET ME BODIED! UCLA whoop us, beat us down, knock us down, sat on our chest and kept us down and kept wailing on us. Granted UCLA lights out....they won't have that kind of shooting stats average for the year, so great game Bruins. GET ME BODIED. Aye ladies, don't too many fighters, teams go undefeated, but we have to adjust how the refs are call the games, but UCLA dictated how the game was gonna be played, hence called. GET ME BODIED.

Our players play with no power, low stance, no hard screens, no hard checks, we don't use our depth or size, wisely, we should be bumping players , knocking them down, our bodies are on them as much as the refs will allow, coming back from timeouts, out of bound plays, while opposing players are running up the court, just a lil body...we don't body anyone...we get bodied.... GET ME BODIED. We want to be the aggressors. GET ME BODIED As, a new fighter, team, Lady Vols team this year, career season just getting started, we didn't set up, no, no, no...easy bouts/games, to set up false realities, we are dealing with reality now, exposing our weakness.

GET ME BODIED Now, the first game, fight tough opponent, OSU you got in the ring, the moment was new, kinda shell shocked but soon you realize, damn it ain't gonna be easy, what you thought it was gonna be and how it turned out, didn't match up. Turnovers/we missed a lot of punches GOT BODIED. We work on some weakness, next game Umass another good opponent, experience fighter, we went the full rounds, Lady Vols won unanamious decisions. Here comes the next opponent/game/ fighter, Indiana, technically sound team, experience who won't knock you out but their style of play, physicality at all points of contact, a contender, for the title, expose our mindset/attitude/toughness. GOT BODIED. Our next fighter, game wasn't really a fight, young fighter, really inexperienced squad... Rutgers. GET ME BODIED. Then we ran into fighter like us, looking for a statement win, who are hungry, UCLA played their style of basketball, physicality knocked our team and players around, nothing we threw really landed that hard. GOT BODIED. UCLA goes for for the knock out, and this was a fight we thought could win with the right mindset. GOT BODIED. AND We matched up well, on paper we looked like the better team/fighter on paper, in on paper but on the court, chile' Paper Champions huh, gotta play the games ladies. GETTING BODIED!


2 Wins
3 Losses. (3 Tkos)

GOT BODIED! Ok I thought this season was gonna start a lil differently, its still only five games in... but damn. lol But its not the end, no. no. I keep telling myself. Its still early, but damn. lol I hope no one thought it was gonna be easy. Against physicality or physical teams, that's our scouting report, Lady Vols are soft, mental midgets, our players lose their poise, their composure, confidence, its like everyone is playing afraid to lose..don't let these games go to your head ladies...GOT BODIED Aye, its Lady Vols Basketball, no one said it was gonna be easy, toughen up, i.e mentality its like seeing UCLA players hitting all those threes, it should have been at least one player on the team, like oh hell nawl, if this bih hit another three, I'm gonna kill somebody or better yet. I got her. .who got her. Im shutting you down bih. lol ijs GOT BODIED If they all hate losing as much as they say they do, we should start to see improvements, the necessary changes, they are smart young ladies . GET ME BODIED

I see a lack of leadership and toughness. Which player or players is gonna take upon themselves to lead this team, to say this is how we play and show them. Which player is gonna take it upon herself to lead this team. We were a tougher team last year. It did not carry over. What changed? Lady Vols are lacking leadership and toughness, consistent high performer, which alpha female is gonna emerge, which alpha females, is gonna lead her pack. I just don't like seeing the Lady Vols GET BODIED! And as a fan, its 50/50 if you gonna play with the focus, mentality, attitude, skill, the physicality, urgency, intent, or just will, grit, and sheer energy, Lady VOLs basketball. WE FIGHT! Well we used too. lol GET ME BODIED. Got Bodied... Not the end of the world, and I am not lowering my expectations, which are mine, and mine alone, I think Kellie will get them where they need to be. This team should be ready by SEC Play or middle of SEC Play if everyone stays healthy, minutes are about to decrease... This team still don't have an identity, and last year's team from the start. GRIT< TOUGHNESS! Our ladies have potential they just have to learn how to fight and that begins with defense and rebounding. ijs

Kellie, subs pattern was kinda.... Today was UCLA's day. aye move on.

Defense, rebounds and good guard play wins championships

 

[Majors]

Just got back from the game and figured that the Negas would be back in full force and I wasn't disappointed. So, how many of you paid the money and watched the game? I'll bet not many. Brian Rice is great on the radio broadcast, but unless you were there or watched the game on TV, you probably don't know what you're talking about.


No, Kellie hasn't lost the team and no, they're not passive and haven't given up. It's November and they are figuring things out against different types of opponents. Yes, UCLA was fast and quick and made 50% of their threes. We played good defense, but their constant screening would eventually get someone open for three, and more often than not, they made the shot.

They fouled almost constantly, but didn't get anywhere near the foul calls that they should have - more on that later. We were 20-31 from the FT line and had a lot of empty possessions on offense - you can't win that way. Almost every time Jordy drove to the rim, she was being pushed by her defender, so she would just miss the shot on the rim and no foul was called.

IMHO, we played mostly good defense but couldn't capitalize on the offensive end.

I have no clue where these officials came from, but I'm guessing high school. Their mechanics were terrible and they missed basic things like checking in players. I have never witnessed a basketball game where one official called a foul and another official called a timeout at the same time. Of course this wiped out a foul on UCLA and a change of possession for us.

This is no time to give up - basketball is a tournament sport and there's a lot of basketball yet to be played. If it makes you feel better to wait in the wings for a loss to criticize the coaches and players, then shame on you. I just wished we had another thread for trolls so I didn't have to read their uniformed vitriol.

Love Atlantis, believe it closed but the BBQ joint downstairs is excellent. Grab a movie too.

Rice painted the picture we were not the physical team. Wanted to be physical but not to the level UCLA was wanting to play. That’s a toughness issue. Everything you said, Rice covered so not sure anyone is being a negavol if you get run out of the gym again.

On the way out, sit in the big chair by the casino…always a good tourist picture to say look at me.

 

[Majors]

bring in Andy landers to run the show the rest of the season and let Kellie just be a figure head, since she can't figure out how to teach these girls anything.

20 years in, you are who you are.

 

[Majors]

If any fan is allowing themselves to get physically sick over the Lady Vol situation I suggest they move away from the game and reassess their values. It is only a game that has been headed South before KJH took the reins. I am sad at the direction it is going but I refuse to allow it to affect my health and mental well being. In reality, I do not have the ability to change the situation and make it better. In essence, all I can really do is complain and hope for better results.

Message boards and sports aren’t for everyone. Well said!

 

[turbovol]

We only had 7 assists in the entire game. Probably the most obvious sign for the need of a change in our offensive system.

Been a problem for AGES and it tells us that we don't really have a system--or we don't have a good system, or we don't have a system that the players adhere to. UCLA had 21 assists today to our 7. Of course, we had a bad shooting day and they had a very good one, which are a major factor in assists, but our team offense has not been consistently sharp and cohesive in forever.

 

[FormerLadyVolFan]

Anytime we tried to play physically, this high school officiating crew would call a foul. The name schools should refuse to play here until they pay to get real officials.

Thanks for the advice, but I'm staying at the Cove, so the only time that we're near the casino, we're on our way to the 'arena' aka convention center.

This place is like Vegas with a beach - after three days, I'm ready to go home!

Love Atlantis, believe it closed but the BBQ joint downstairs is excellent. Grab a movie too.

Rice painted the picture we were not the physical team. Wanted to be physical but not to the level UCLA was wanting to play. That’s a toughness issue. Everything you said, Rice covered so not sure anyone is being a negavol if you get run out of the gym again.

On the way out, sit in the big chair by the casino…always a good tourist picture to say look at me.

 

[Majors]

Anytime we tried to play physically, this high school officiating crew would call a foul. The name schools should refuse to play here until they pay to get real officials.

Thanks for the advice, but I'm staying at the Cove, so the only time that we're near the casino, we're on our way to the 'arena' aka convention center.

This place is like Vegas with a beach - after three days, I'm ready to go home!

It’s a great place to stay, spent 5 days there and never left the grounds.

 

[Pat4life]

Rickea Jackson and Jasmine Powell, are coming from not winning programs. So they need to form winning habits, attitudes, behavior, play, and mindset. So they are going to need the most help, they check in and out too much, and the team and players can follow their lead. Jordan,Tamari, Walker, how do you want your senior's season to be... Final Four, well lead this team.

 

[djtee]

Whether you agree or disagree everyone should be allowed to voice their opinion on this board. But i do think the fake eyelashes talk should stop right now, No matter how you feel about that player. As for this team i feel like the other player or KJH are trying to put everything on Horton and Jackson shoulders that`s not gonna work against the better teams. Here the biggest problem with TN there talent level is very weak with, Darby, Miles, Striplin, Puckett, Marta. Walker, Pissott? TBD.

 

[Volfaninfl2]

Here’s the box score with minutes.

UCLA vs. Tennessee - Women's College Basketball Box Score - November 20, 2022 | ESPN

 

[Pat4life]

jasmine
tess
jackson
key
horston

franklin, walker should be getting the bulk of the minutes going forward, let's let them get some chemistry.

 

[kell7517]

Rickea Jackson and Jasmine Powell, are coming from not winning programs. So they need to form winning habits, attitudes, behavior, play, and mindset. So they are going to need the most help, they check in and out too much, and the team and players can follow their lead. Jordan,Tamari, Walker, how do you want your senior's season to be... Final Four, well lead this team.

Those seniors you mentioned are not leaders. At least not vocal leaders. And if Jackson or Powell weren’t here, would the Lady vols even have a win?

 

[kell7517]

jasmine
tess
jackson
key
horston

franklin, walker should be getting the bulk of the minutes going forward, let's let them get some chemistry.

I just don’t see why Key should be starting, other than she’s a senior. Something is amiss because she has become almost a non factor as of late.

 

[NoBackBoard]

LVFL Andraya Carter is on halftime show of USC-Stanford and is calling Tennessee out. She says our current situation is concerning and it’s defense, rebounding, but most importantly, offense. She said the ball gets stuck then compared our offense to teams with great ones. So I guess it’s not just us on the board.

 

[Volfaninfl2]

Just got back from the game and figured that the Negas would be back in full force and I wasn't disappointed. So, how many of you paid the money and watched the game? I'll bet not many. Brian Rice is great on the radio broadcast, but unless you were there or watched the game on TV, you probably don't know what you're talking about.

No, Kellie hasn't lost the team and no, they're not passive and haven't given up. It's November and they are figuring things out against different types of opponents. Yes, UCLA was fast and quick and made 50% of their threes. We played good defense, but their constant screening would eventually get someone open for three, and more often than not, they made the shot.

They fouled almost constantly, but didn't get anywhere near the foul calls that they should have - more on that later. We were 20-31 from the FT line and had a lot of empty possessions on offense - you can't win that way. Almost every time Jordy drove to the rim, she was being pushed by her defender, so she would just miss the shot on the rim and no foul was called.

IMHO, we played mostly good defense but couldn't capitalize on the offensive end.

I have no clue where these officials came from, but I'm guessing high school. Their mechanics were terrible and they missed basic things like checking in players. I have never witnessed a basketball game where one official called a foul and another official called a timeout at the same time. Of course this wiped out a foul on UCLA and a change of possession for us.

This is no time to give up - basketball is a tournament sport and there's a lot of basketball yet to be played. If it makes you feel better to wait in the wings for a loss to criticize the coaches and players, then shame on you. I just wished we had another thread for trolls so I didn't have to read their uniformed vitriol.

Thank you.

 

[djohnnyg]

This team was ranked 5th in the country..to get beaten like they have is not good. How can you not question Kjh? She can recruit....sure but I seriously question her ability to coach.

 

[ttharp]

LVFL Andraya Carter is on halftime show of USC-Stanford and is calling Tennessee out. She says our current situation is concerning and it’s defense, rebounding, but most importantly, offense. She said the ball gets stuck then compared our offense to teams with great ones. So I guess it’s not just us on the board.

Saw that. She noted our offensive issues and used Stanford as example of a team with elite offense. I’m sure it was difficult for her as an alum, but kudos to her for doing her job well and calling out the obvious.

 

[glv98]

Those seniors you mentioned are not leaders. At least not vocal leaders. And if Jackson or Powell weren’t here, would the Lady vols even have a win?

No.

I just don’t see why Key should be starting, other than she’s a senior. Something is amiss because she has become almost a non factor as of late.

Development of a player like Key should be first learn to make yourself a factor in the game, and then learn to dominate the game. TK has never gotten past the first part, at least not consistently. Has had a couple of great games in her career and a yacht load of blocks, but 100 games into her career its still the case that sometimes she's a factor and sometimes not at all. For reasons I don't understand.

LVFL Andraya Carter is on halftime show of USC-Stanford and is calling Tennessee out. She says our current situation is concerning and it’s defense, rebounding, but most importantly, offense. She said the ball gets stuck then compared our offense to teams with great ones. So I guess it’s not just us on the board.

Been a problem for AGES and it tells us that we don't really have a system--or we don't have a good system, or we don't have a system that the players adhere to. UCLA had 21 assists today to our 7. Of course, we had a bad shooting day and they had a very good one, which are a major factor in assists, but our team offense has not been consistently sharp and cohesive in forever.

This is so frustrating bc its been said over and over and over. Staff could not possibly be unaware of the criticism. Used to be "if only we had a true point guard". Now we have one, so it wasn't that. I swear it almost seems institutional. The lack of a coherent offense has spanned over a decade, through dozens of players and now 3 coaches, including the greatest coach of all time. Why can't anyone achieve this? I thought KJH might with this group, but not so far.

 

[turbovol]

This team was ranked 5th in the country..to get beaten like they have is not good. How can you not question Kjh? She can recruit....sure but I seriously question her ability to coach.

Preseason rankings mean nothing. Why anyone would rank a Tennessee team that high is comical.