Game Thread: Iowa v Lady Vols, Sat Dec 7th ; Shark Beauty Women's Champions Classic; 7PM; FOX network TV; WIN 78-68

[Volfan2012]

The Refs started out rough, but I thought it evened out as the game progressed. Could've fouled Olsen out as she uses that off hand to much to push defenders away. They finally called a couple could've called six more.

 

[glv98]

After the game the post game people kept saying how Tennessee got out rebounded. That is going to happen when you miss 47 shots to them missing 27 all those balls have to be rebounded either defensively or offensively. 20 more misses is almost assured you lose the defensive rebounding stat which is more than made up by their 30 turnovers to our nine. We again won the offensive boards if only slightly 13 to 11. The five for thirteen from the three is exactly what we need every time we play that was the key to winning last night.

Improved 3 pt shooting in the second half (by the hair of our chiney chin chin) was huge of course. But also keeping our own t.o.s down was key. Their 30 t.o.s wouldn't have been near as effective if we had matched it w 20 of our own. Our passing is much crisper this year.

 

[Volfan2012]

Improved 3 pt shooting in the second half (by the hair of our chiney chin chin) was huge of course. But also keeping our own t.o.s down was key. Their 30 t.o.s wouldn't have been near as effective if we had matched it w 20 of our own. Our passing is much crisper this year.

Amazing how this team can play this fast and commit less than 20 turnovers. I think our high for the season is 16 against Florida State mostly on telegraphed passes.

 

[Majors]

Morning winners! You to Earl.

 

[glv98]

Amazing how this team can play this fast and commit less than 20 turnovers. I think our high for the season is 16 against Florida State mostly on telegraphed passes.

A big part of it is not forcing passes into the post, and having post players who can actually catch a pass. Love TK forever, but her hands were not good, nor were/are Jill's.

 

[Volfan2012]

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14.6 turnovers per game forcing 28.6 per game. Were getting real close to passing our steals totals from last season in just seven games.

 

[Orange_Mamba]

Just more of a point I was telling Chuck about Tess .
Than your post.
Tess shots good where the baseline top of the baseline.
Tess turns down shots more than most players that she's knows that she doesn't have a good chance of making.
Your post wasn't Tess trashing.

May fault for misunderstanding you. It appears to me like she’s straining more to get her shot up from anywhere else on the floor.

 

[mudcat1973]

After the game the post game people kept saying how Tennessee got out rebounded. That is going to happen when you miss 47 shots to them missing 27 all those balls have to be rebounded either defensively or offensively. 20 more misses is almost assured you lose the defensive rebounding stat which is more than made up by their 30 turnovers to our nine. We again won the offensive boards if only slightly 13 to 11. The five for thirteen from the three is exactly what we need every time we play that was the key to winning last night.

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After the game the post game people kept saying how Tennessee got out rebounded. That is going to happen when you miss 47 shots to them missing 27 all those balls have to be rebounded either defensively or offensively. 20 more misses is almost assured you lose the defensive rebounding stat which is more than made up by their 30 turnovers to our nine. We again won the offensive boards if only slightly 13 to 11. The five for thirteen from the three is exactly what we need every time we play that was the key to winning last night.

Got give Iowa credit they box out on rebounds.
Didn't Kim say rebound is effort or want to. Not her exactly word for word.
Iowa coach said blue collar work effort.
Work effort can over come taller players sometimes.
Tenn effort was there on rebounds to.
Like you said Iowa had more opportunities because of Tennessee miss shots.
So Tennessee made up the difference in tourover force.
For Tennessee winning rebounds + force turnovers total should be bigest stat. If

 

[Volfan2012]

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Got give Iowa credit they box out on rebounds.
Didn't Kim say rebound is effort or want to. Not her exactly word for word.
Iowa coach said blue collar work effort.
Work effort can over come taller players sometimes.
Tenn effort was there on rebounds to.
Like you said Iowa had more opportunities because of Tennessee miss shots.
So Tennessee made up the difference in tourover force.
For Tennessee winning rebounds + force turnovers total should be bigest stat. If

They had 47 Tennessee missed shots to rebound we only had 27 shots they missed to rebound that says more about the difference than anything else.

 

[mudcat1973]

May fault for misunderstanding you. It appears to me like she’s straining more to get her shot up from anywhere else on the floor.

It was on Tennessee Vols news thread .
And my post to Chuck look like a attack without the back story .

 

[VolBall09]

May fault for misunderstanding you. It appears to me like she’s straining more to get her shot up from anywhere else on the floor.

Tess looks better than she ever has to me. Same shooter and moving much better. 50% from three from her made a huge difference last night.

Sara’s shot is the one that suddenly looks really clunky and strange. She added a lot more arch to her shot and I’m not sure why. It was totally fine before and looked pure. Now she loads up like crazy and flings it to the rafters off the back rim everytime.

 

[kregman]

Well that broke the internet…

The Refs started out rough, but I thought it evened out as the game progressed. Could've fouled Olsen out as she uses that off hand to much to push defenders away. They finally called a couple could've called six more.

Not to mention all the wrap arounds. they were letting her get away with.

 

[mudcat1973]

They had 47 Tennessee missed shots to rebound we only had 27 shots they missed to rebound that says more about the difference than anything else.

Let be more clear both teams gave good effort on rebounds.
Still say total rebounds+ turnovers force is important stat.
That leads to bigger stat shot taking.

 

[Volfan2012]

Let be more clear both teams gave good effort on rebounds.
Still say total rebounds+ turnovers force is important stat.
That leads to bigger stat shot taking.

Yes I like us taking 77 shots to their 50. We needed them cause we were not shooting that well. Like all the other game we keep winning shots on goal by a lot definitely want to keep that going and hopefully make just a little higher percentage of them. 39 percent last night was enough to win because of a huge volume of additional shots.

 

[Orange_Mamba]

Tess looks better than she ever has to me. Same shooter and moving much better. 50% from three from her made a huge difference last night.

Sara’s shot is the one that suddenly looks really clunky and strange. She added a lot more arch to her shot and I’m not sure why. It was totally fine before and looked pure. Now she loads up like crazy and flings it to the rafters off the back rim everytime.

I’m not too much worried on Sara yet. For the last two seasons she’s had terrible start but she finds a way to dig herself out of her slump the second half on the season. I’ve always felt like Sara should be used in the paint more anyway. She’s such a physical person. Have her work inside out to see if that helps get her going.

 

[37620VOL]

Sara’s shot is the one that suddenly looks really clunky and strange. She added a lot more arch to her shot and I’m not sure why. It was totally fine before and looked pure. Now she loads up like crazy and flings it to the rafters off the back rim everytime.

I made a concerted attempt to pay attention to Sara's shots last night. I agree on the arc being a bit too much, but she also seems to be rushing her shot as well to the point that I'm not sure she's really seeing the rim before taking the shot.

 

[Volfan2012]

Tess 186 of 500 from the three 37 percent. She might get to 250 if she keep shooting them at 37 percent. She would need 64 and we should have at least 25 games left so just a little more than two a game would give her 250 for her career here. She needs 254 points to score a thousand so 10 ppg which she could do will be close.

 

[VolBall09]

I’m not too much worried on Sara yet. For the last two seasons she’s had terrible start but she finds a way to dig herself out of her slump the second half on the season. I’ve always felt like Sara should be used in the paint more anyway. She’s such a physical person. Have her work inside out to see if that helps get her going.

I agree 100% on using her more in the paint. She usually draws a less physical defender and needs to use that to her advantage. I’d like to see her cut to the basket and post someone up instead of catching on the perimeter and trying to back them down with the dribble for 15 feet.

She also does not rebound as well as I think she should for her size and frame. Doesn’t get early position and use her body to box out. She stands behind and just lets her defend have it.

She has always been streaky but I’m worried this year. Her shot looks so different and not in a good way. She is letting her poor offense affect her defense. The two way compounding mistakes are back breaking for her teammates at times.

She DID step up last night and start guarding Stuelke like she should in the second half. She was really physical with her and shut her down. I was worried Stuelke was going to go off after her first half. She was just blowing by Sara to the bucket and shooting layups untouched, cutting all over without so much as a bump.

 

[mudcat1973]

Tess looks better than she ever has to me. Same shooter and moving much better. 50% from three from her made a huge difference last night.

Sara’s shot is the one that suddenly looks really clunky and strange. She added a lot more arch to her shot and I’m not sure why. It was totally fine before and looked pure. Now she loads up like crazy and flings it to the rafters off the back rim everytime.

Tess getting open looks .
Even last year when teammates pass her the ball her shot look good.
The coach is responsible for the overall offense.
But some part of good offense production is sharing the basketball that's on the players

 

[VolBall09]

I made a concerted attempt to pay attention to Sara's shots last night. I agree on the arc being a bit too much, but she also seems to be rushing her shot as well to the point that I'm not sure she's really seeing the rim before taking the shot.

Yes it’s mental as much as physical on that front. Needs to lock in and shoot to make it instead of just shooting to shoot it.

 

[VolBall09]

Tess getting open looks .
Even last year when teammates pass her the ball her shot look good.
The coach is responsible for the overall offense.
But some part of good offense production is sharing the basketball that's on the players

Yeah I’m really proud of Tess. I think she’s adapting to this system well. I’ve given her a hard time for her defense but it has gotten markedly better. With her shot she will always be an asset. If you leave her unguarded like Iowa did several times last night she is draino from deep.

She has a knack for hitting threes at the right time too. When we need a spark or need to regain the lead, she has been good at that since she was a sophomore. That’s more important than percentage in a lot of ways. It’s not about how many you hit, it’s when you hit them.

 

[mudcat1973]

Yes I like us taking 77 shots to their 50. We needed them cause we were not shooting that well. Like all the other game we keep winning shots on goal by a lot definitely want to keep that going and hopefully make just a little higher percentage of them. 39 percent last night was enough to win because of a huge volume of additional shots.

Better ball handling teams will turnover less .
Some better shooting going to get more important as season goes on.

 

[glv98]

I'm reserving judgement on Tess until I see some consistency. Her history has been the occassional good game, usually against lesser comp, and the occassional big shot. She's def hit a few over her career.

But the rest of her history, along w that of Jewel, has been complete disappearance in the biggest games against the best comp. If she could add that, it would be great.

If one of Tess, Jewel, or Sara could put together a consistent shooting string of games, it would be such an important next step for the team.

Tess/Jewel/Sara are about equal liabilities on D. Again, will make the occassional nice play, but far from consistent. You hold your breath when they're guarding one on one.

 

[glv98]

She has a knack for hitting threes at the right time too. When we need a spark or need to regain the lead, she has been good at that since she was a sophomore.

LOL this was most def not what you were saying a year ago.

 

[VolBall09]

I'm reserving judgement on Tess until I see some consistency. Her history has been the occassional good game, usually against lesser comp, and the occassional big shot. She's def hit a few over her career.

But the rest of her history, along w that of Jewel, has been complete disappearance in the biggest games against the best comp. If she could add that, it would be great.

If one of Tess, Jewel, or Sara could put together a consistent shooting string of games, it would be such an important next step for the team.

Tess/Jewel/Sara are about equal liabilities on D. Again, will make the occassional nice play, but far from consistent. You hold your breath when they're guarding one on one.

Yeah the three of them need to get together and hit the gym if 2-3 of them can shoot decent every night we are a different team. So far we are getting 1-3 most games.