Game Thread : Lady Vols @ Arkansas, Thurs. 7PM; SEC Network win 87-66

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turbovol said:
I agree with those who think Jackson and others played too many minutes in a blow-out game. It's not about whether she and others can play
33 minutes or whatever the number, of course they can. It's why are you not giving your subs more minutes with a 20-point lead? We're way ahead in the 4th quarter and Pissot plays...2 minutes? Wynn and Miles, one or two minutes. Puckett: 10 mins. I thought Hollingshead was playing well enough to be getting more minutes, but in the last two games her minutes have been low. It was nice to see Powell get good PT and play well, but Harper's rotation/minutes are always in flux.
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You agree with anything negative. We get it. Thanks.
 
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DSunAthletics said:


This is as true of a statement I’ve heard a coach make to the press in awhile. The schedule was good for the program and players. It certainly challenged the coach. Now today I’ll definitely say the ship didn’t sink. However, they need to be thinking anything short of a berth in the SEC championship game is a disappointment. Get in the NCAA tournament and don’t worry about seeding you have to win them all no matter who you play. The SEC is what matters right now. Tennessee can beat LSU on a neutral court. Rickea Jackson and Jordan Horston are both a step above all the players on South Carolina roster excluding Aliyah Boston. Tennessee needs production from 3-11 in the rotation on February 23rd. I expect Rickea and Jordan Horston to go off.. people I say this with respect Rickea skill set for a female athlete is off the charts. A rare combination of physique, skill, and athleticism.
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All true except the SC paragraph. Look , SC don't only score they play elite defense . They have Beal and Cardoso, that's how they beat you.
 
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We have the double bye clinched. We have fourth place clinched. We could clinch third with a win Sunday. I think we'll be the three seed in the tourney opposite LSU as the two. I don't see LSU losing two more SEC games and us winning all three left. That is what it would take to move to second.
 
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One more thing about the game last night, and the last few games. Striplin is such a smart player, she is great at using her body to shield off defenders under the basket when RJ and JH drive. One play in the Vandy game, she blocked out two at once allowing a layup. It's the little things.
 
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glv98 said:
One more thing about the game last night, and the last few games. Striplin is such a smart player, she is great as using her body to shield off defenders under the basket when RJ and JH drive. One play in the Vandy game, she blocked out two at once allowing a layup. It's the little things.
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Needing her to play as a five is hurting her production. She can score on players her size the bigger players give her trouble both scoring and defending. She really couldn't guard Barnum, but did score a couple times on her.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
Needing her to play as a five is hurting her production. She can score on players her size the bigger players give her trouble both scoring and defending. She really couldn't guard Barnum, but did score a couple times on her.
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Which is a really good reason for Key to come back, moving Jill and Karo to mostly 4 and backup 5. But Karo is doing a good job with her assignment. IMO Barnum is a really good player.
 
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If we could get better on the defensive side of the ball, we would be scary good. But often times theres to many lapses and opposing players run free. Our communication sucks at times on defense. Sometimes our own players screen each other and leads to drives or open looks for the other team. Just wish we could clean up on the defensive side.
 
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scores4fun said:
If we could get better on the defensive side of the ball, we would be scary good. But often times theres to many lapses and opposing players run free. Our communication sucks at times on defense. Sometimes our own players screen each other and leads to drives or open looks for the other team. Just wish we could clean up on the defensive side.
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Our defense has been the problem all season. We've scored enough points to win most every game. The good defensive teams shoot for no more than 60 points given up. We did that in the first half last night then gave up a whopping 45 in the second half. Need to be more consistent forty minute defensive team to get anywhere in the tournaments.
 
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DSunAthletics said:


This is as true of a statement I’ve heard a coach make to the press in awhile. The schedule was good for the program and players. It certainly challenged the coach. Now today I’ll definitely say the ship didn’t sink. However, they need to be thinking anything short of a berth in the SEC championship game is a disappointment. Get in the NCAA tournament and don’t worry about seeding you have to win them all no matter who you play. The SEC is what matters right now. Tennessee can beat LSU on a neutral court. Rickea Jackson and Jordan Horston are both a step above all the players on South Carolina roster excluding Aliyah Boston. Tennessee needs production from 3-11 in the rotation on February 23rd. I expect Rickea and Jordan Horston to go off.. people I say this with respect Rickea skill set for a female athlete is off the charts. A rare combination of physique, skill, and athleticism.
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On Feb 23 what the LV's will need is very good team defense. Jackson will get her points, she always does, one of the most consistent offensive players in the game. Horston may go off as well, but with her inconsistency it is not a given. Both of those players will be spending a lot of energy and focus on defense, at least they should be.

I have no idea if UT will play man, zone or some combo for this game, but either way Horston and Jackson won't be tasked with defending post players in the paint. I cannot see CKH sending RJ into the paint to guard Saxton/Amihere/Watkins types, she would get in foul trouble. That means Striplin, Holl and Franklin will be working overtime against the SC 4/5 rotations. Whether UT is in zone or man to man, I'm expecting SC to attack Darby and Walker around the perimeter and also who ever mans the post area for UT. LV's probably have to play mostly zone to prevent matchup nightmares down low.

SC will play man to man the entire game. Jackson will likely be initially guarded by Saxton, and Jackson will do well offensively in that matchup, Beal will probably have to be switched off of Horston to cover Jackson when Saxton hits the bench. Jordy will probably see Hall on her when Beal goes to Jackson. When Amihere is in the game I expect her to guard Jackson and Beal moves back to Horston. All fun matchups to watch. Cooke will start off guarding Darby I would guess with Fletcher on Walker. Walker wont get many shots with either Fletcher or Raven guarding her. Darby has a height advantage on Cooke but gives up speed, quickness and agility. UT will need to run plays designed to get Darby space to shoot because she wont be able to put the ball on the floor against Cooke. Boston will be covering whatever post UT plays.

When Cardoso and Boston are in together, Boston will play the 4 spot on defense meaning she may have to guard Jackson some. Boston was able to match up with Reese when Cardoso entered and she slid to the 4 spot, but Reese doesn't have the range RJ does. That's not an ideal assignment for Boston, so I am thinking Staley will try to avoid that scenario. Amihere may get more minutes than Cardoso because of this since she is ideally suited to guard Jackson while leaving Boston in the post.
 
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turbovol said:
I agree with those who think Jackson and others played too many minutes in a blow-out game. It's not about whether she and others can play
33 minutes or whatever the number, of course they can. It's why are you not giving your subs more minutes with a 20-point lead? We're way ahead in the 4th quarter and Pissot plays...2 minutes? Wynn and Miles, one or two minutes. Puckett: 10 mins. I thought Hollingshead was playing well enough to be getting more minutes, but in the last two games her minutes have been low. It was nice to see Powell get good PT and play well, but Harper's rotation/minutes are always in flux.
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Wait, this whole season has been a giant rant against Kellie for substituting too much and not giving her key players time to gel and not using those valuable minutes even in lopsided games to get her key players in synch. So, now she is doing just that and you are now saying she is not substituting enough. Danged if you do and danged if you don't I guess.
 
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turbovol said:
I agree with those who think Jackson and others played too many minutes in a blow-out game. It's not about whether she and others can play
33 minutes or whatever the number, of course they can. It's why are you not giving your subs more minutes with a 20-point lead? We're way ahead in the 4th quarter and Pissot plays...2 minutes? Wynn and Miles, one or two minutes. Puckett: 10 mins. I thought Hollingshead was playing well enough to be getting more minutes, but in the last two games her minutes have been low. It was nice to see Powell get good PT and play well, but Harper's rotation/minutes are always in flux.
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I can give you a real good reason was to keep the 20 point lead because we needed to keep that big lead in a road game to move up five positions in the NET Rankings. They not only evaluate your win and where it was played, but how much you win by. To beat a Q1 team like Arkansas at their place by this amount of points was important because we didn't have a win like this all season. We went from 19 to 14 and that is the biggest jump we have made and the highest ranking we've had all year.
 
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Let me address that the SEC is a bad conference. According to the NET Rankings the SEC is the third best women's basketball conference in the country. We are ranked behind number one Pac 12 and number 2 ACC. Were third followed by Big 12, Big 10, and Big East. The conference may look weak to some, but according to the committee were the third best conference and have the third best non conference winning record. I don't know how many teams we'll get in the NCAA Tourney, but right now I can see Tennessee, LSU, Georgia, Ole Miss, Alabama, SC, and at least one of Ark, Miss St If you think the SEC is a bad conference no problem, but the NCAA committee does not see it that way.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
Let me address that the SEC is a bad conference. According to the NET Rankings the SEC is the third best women's basketball conference in the country. We are ranked behind number one Pac 12 and number 2 ACC. Were third followed by Big 12, Big 10, and Big East. The conference may look weak to some, but according to the committee were the third best conference and have the third best non conference winning record. I don't know how many teams we'll get in the NCAA Tourney, but right now I can see Tennessee, LSU, Georgia, Ole Miss, Alabama, SC, and at least one of Ark, Miss St If you think the SEC is a bad conference no problem, but the NCAA committee does not see it that way.
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2012,

That must be the WNolan ratings. You know its horse crap when he has the B10 in 5th. Within the top 25 rankings currently: Indiana (2), Iowa (7), Md. (8), Mich (12), OSU (13). He has Indiana at a Net 5, yet nobody has beaten more top 25 (6) teams this year than the Hoosiers. LSU is Net 3 in his ranking and have beaten 0 ranked teams. The B12's best team is Oklahoma? They lost by 50 and 40 this year.
 
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Rooster1 said:
2012,

That must be the WNolan ratings. You know its horse crap when he has the B10 in 5th. Within the top 25 rankings currently: Indiana (2), Iowa (7), Md. (8), Mich (12), OSU (13). He has Indiana at a Net 5, yet nobody has beaten more top 25 (6) teams this year than the Hoosiers. LSU is Net 3 in his ranking and have beaten 0 ranked teams. The B12's best team is Oklahoma? They lost by 50 and 40 this year.
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No he doesn't have rankings. He copies the chart from the NCAA committee website where the NET rankings are listed and also the conference rankings. I can post it from the NCAA exactly the same he doesn't rate anything just copies to that site. https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-women/d1/ncaa-womens-basketball-net-rankings
 
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Volfan2012 said:
Let me address that the SEC is a bad conference. According to the NET Rankings the SEC is the third best women's basketball conference in the country. We are ranked behind number one Pac 12 and number 2 ACC. Were third followed by Big 12, Big 10, and Big East. The conference may look weak to some, but according to the committee were the third best conference and have the third best non conference winning record. I don't know how many teams we'll get in the NCAA Tourney, but right now I can see Tennessee, LSU, Georgia, Ole Miss, Alabama, SC, and at least one of Ark, Miss St If you think the SEC is a bad conference no problem, but the NCAA committee does not see it that way.
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I say right now who get`s in Tennessee, LSU, Ole Miss, Alabama, SC, Georgia last 3 games Ark, Aub, @SC, M. State last 3 games Ala, Ark, @LSU.
 
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glv98 said:
Nah, not wishing for 3 on 3, just want to protect our jewel. Every extra minute risks injury, as well as worn out legs. But the other me wants to have RJ on the court for every second of the few games we have left with her.

Re managing Jordy's mins, last night I thought KJH had a very good coaching moment when she took her out on the first rotation and not bc of fatigue. BC Jordy had started out a bit out of control, forcing, a few quick t.o.s. Came back much more settled and had a great game. JH has to be managed on court much more than RJ. Her emotions are always right on edge, which is both a gift and a problem.

Re effort, IMO RJ has played harder and much better D lately, upright stance not withstanding (pun intended). I still think her smoothness and cool often gets mistaken for lack of effort.

Poor KJH, having to earn her millions. Of her two stars, one needs extra management oncourt, one off court.
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Agree with on Kellie being really smart in how she settled Jordan down. On the effort thing, it is not about anything that Rickea is not doing. Its positional. In soccer, outside backs and wingers run a lot more than center mids even though both are putting in high effort in performing their responsibilities. I am sure if we compared their fitness trackers, Jordan is putting in more steps. On the offensive sets, typically Rickea starts out high, takes a pass and then goes down low (where she has to bang with bigger players so that is effort), but Jordan is all over the court, circling the perimeter, cutting to the rim, crashing the board. Same deal on defensive, where it appears that Jordan's instructions, cover everybody on the perimeter and then get the rebound. I have to eat several energy bars and down 2 quarts of Gatorade just to watch her play.

It dawned on me that all the folks who belittle the LVs getting to the Sweet 16 last year conveniently ignore that they did that WITHOUT their swiss army knife player. So, the LVs made it to the Sweet 16 without two key players-- Green and Horston-- and there is just so much blood you can squeeze from the turnip when it came to that final matchup against Louisville.
 
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37620VOL said:
Imagine, mass subs with 8 minutes left, 20-point lead becomes a 10-point lead, what would this board have looked like then?
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These same critics would be screaming about it!! Why did she not protect the lead, rahrhrhahrhahrahrhahrhah...????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...
 
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