Game Thread Lady Vols at LSU

[djtee]

Westbrook had 7 assists to 1 turnover? Those look like pg stats to me... and she is one of the tougher defenders on the team. What teams do know is that her shot isn’t as good as it will be and she is more likely to pass the ball. Now if she had a consistent jumper that makes her game more diverse. Honestly, she hit Davis, Russell, and Meme with spot on passes by throwing the ball to where they should be and leading them there and they weren’t able to handle the pass. I believe she is the pg of the future and both she and Hayes can be guards on the floor at the same time. One averages 5 assists the other 3.5 nothing to complain about.

Any pg in the country can pass and get assists. She needs to up her game and be a more consistent scorer and move to the 2, Me Me is a below average number 2 guard and that`s a fact,

 

[meekfan]

I just don't understand why top players keep coming here.

Top players don't quit

Top players don't foul

Top players don't run out of gas

Top players compete on EVERY play

 

[VA_VOLFAN]

Edge is nice. Wins are better. Just a difference of opinion. If I had to go back and watch game tape where I stared someone down then got beat I would feel foolish. From what I have witnessed the past 2.5 seasons technical fouls & stare downs have never really pumped this team up much.

These teams thrive on scoring and running and that is it. If that isn't happening then their effort and motivation decreases significantly. If they ever learn to love ALL of the game, play both sides of the ball, treat the ball like a prized possession instead of a gum wrapper they can make things a bit easier on themselves.

They were inconsistent even when they were unbeaten but people were okay with it because atleast it wasn't a loss. There are issues that have been prevalent since game 1 that haven't gone away, but again since they were winning they weren't addressed. Now that they have started to lose people are upset. This is why I say not all wins are good wins and not all losses are bad losses.

Coaches can only coaches and players have to just play. Is this team learning? Or do you hear broadcasters say the same thing every game? We are what 20 games in... If they haven't learned it by now I would gather people may want to consider the fact that it won't be changing this year. It's a process. There is still a lot of season left but in order for them to get better they have to care about all of the details of winning, not just the fun parts.

This was a long post just for you to go off the topic I was talking about! Like I said LSU was the more aggressive team and had a bit of a mean streak to them! I’m not taking about consistency because we know that isn’t there!! However that wasn’t what I was talking about so if you wanted to talk about that reply to my other post! Thanks 😁

 

[VA_VOLFAN]

Any pg in the country can pass and get assists. She needs to up her game and be a more consistent scorer and move to the 2, Me Me is a below average number 2 guard and that`s a fact,

So you just proved my point by saying any PG in the country can pass! LOL! Now if you would like her to up her game that’s cool but she sees the best passer on the team that’s just a fact. She is also one of the top leaders in assist in the SEC... soooo if you want her to move to the 2 guard because you want her to replace Meme ok say that but don’t say she isn’t a pg because she is my friend and she is the best pg we have had in awhile!

 

[Coach Jumper]

Any pg in the country can pass and get assists. She needs to up her game and be a more consistent scorer and move to the 2, Me Me is a below average number 2 guard and that`s a fact,

Meme was 4 for 9 with 3-6 shooting threes. 13 points,,Made both of her foul shots. One turnover one assist and one steal. I will take those numbers for ANY #2 guard on any team!

Find someone else to make the scapegoat.
The last game, maybe, but this game...Nope!
Meme played just fine.

 

[VA_VOLFAN]

Two things wrong with this chart: 1) It doesn't take minutes played per game into account. (You should score more points when you play more minutes.)

2) The Senior year numbers are based mostly on the easiest part of the schedule. These points-per-game numbers could very well be lower by season's end as SEC games (like today's) are usually lower scoring.

I would expect my players to increase in minutes played as they get older lol. The question was show improvement from freshman to senior year data 😎

 

[bobkitten]

Russell

Freshman- 6.3 ppg
Sophomore - 9.9
Junior - 16.1
Senior - 16.6

Nared

Freshman- 5.2 ppg
Sophomore- 8.6
Junior- 15.6
Senior- 16.6

Westbrook- over the last three games has avg 6 assists and 2 turnovers... so she is showing better judgement. I have to think that will only improve as she gets older and learns to just take over a game.

Thanks for that breakdown. I think back to players over the last 6 years or so that generally did not show much improvement, however.

 

[volfanecs]

Observation: Holly sucks as a head coach. She was out coached by a coach of an unranked team. The Lady Vols were out hustled and out played the second half. It is time to quit giving Holly excuses.

Goes back to my question. Was she the buffer when Pat was coaching? The one the girls could come and talk to after a tough time with Pat. She doesn't suck. She is a VFL. Maybe she just can't change from her original time as "friends" of the girls.

 

[VA_VOLFAN]

Thanks for that breakdown. I think back to players over the last 6 years or so that generally did not show much improvement, however.

👍🏽 Not a problem... Even meme has improved her ppg, assists, shooting %, etc. Some of it is just maturity and growth. I often think back to Bashaara graves who her freshman year was her best. So I’m glad that didn’t happen to these three and I see the freshman getting better, yes! I see them shooting better, getting stronger, and playing smarter. Now the question is will they be put in situations to do be dominant?!!?

 

[teacherdean]

Westbrook had 7 assists to 1 turnover? Those look like pg stats to me... and she is one of the tougher defenders on the team. What teams do know is that her shot isn’t as good as it will be and she is more likely to pass the ball. Now if she had a consistent jumper that makes her game more diverse. Honestly, she hit Davis, Russell, and Meme with spot on passes by throwing the ball to where they should be and leading them there and they weren’t able to handle the pass. I believe she is the pg of the future and both she and Hayes can be guards on the floor at the same time. One averages 5 assists the other 3.5 nothing to complain about.

Westbrook can work into a good point guard. We have good guards but they seldom shoot when they are open. Common sense should tell you to shot the short jumper if you are open and Russell is not. I blame that on coaching. These kids are too good to be passing up shots to get the ball into a covered Russell, unless the coaching has made that decision. Now we have teams sagging in on Russell, Nared pressing and missing shots, other players not taking open shots, passing the ball all over the court and if not a turnover then a wild inaccurate shot, Russell constantly leaving the other team’s post guarded by a smaller player, players trying to thread the ball into a covered Russell creating turnovers, and Russell not blocking out or watching teammates trying to rebound the ball. No matter if you like or do not like Holly, we have both player and coaching issues.

This team is off track and we need more than a coach who says, “I don’t know”, to correct the problem. We have the talented players, make no mistake and think otherwise, however, the wheels are, if they already haven’t, coming off and that can only be corrected by good leadership.

 

[VA_VOLFAN]

westbrook can work into a good point guard. We have good guards but they seldom shoot when they are open. Common sense should tell you to shot the short jumper if you are open and russell is not. I blame that on coaching. These kids are too good to be passing up shots to get the ball into a covered russell, unless the coaching has made that decision. Now we have teams sagging in on russell, nared pressing and missing shots, other players not taking open shots, passing the ball all over the court and if not a turnover then a wild inaccurate shot, russell constantly leaving the other team’s post guarded by a smaller player, players trying to thread the ball into a covered russell creating turnovers, and russell not blocking out or watching teammates trying rebound the ball. No matter if you like or do not like holly, we have both player and coaching issues.

This team is off track and we need more than a coach who says, “i don’t know”, to correct the problem. We have the talented players, make no mistake and think otherwise, however, the wheels are, if they already haven’t, are coming off and that can only be corrected by good leadership.

👍🏽👌🏽 I think she will be one of the best PGs in the SEC and country. I also agree shooters miss 100% of the shots they don’t take so I agree shoot the ball if you’re open and even better take a few dribbles in to hit the midrange jumper and get the defense to shift!

 

[Nuyoika]

This was a long post just for you to go off the topic I was talking about! Like I said LSU was the more aggressive team and had a bit of a mean streak to them! I’m not taking about consistency because we know that isn’t there!! However that wasn’t what I was talking about so if you wanted to talk about that reply to my other post! Thanks 😁

No problem. I apologize. I thought the point you were making was that if they were meaner they wouldn't get pushed around and they could have won a game like today's. I was disgreeing with that notion. I must've misunderstood. I guess if you aren't talking about consistency and "that just isn't there" then I don't understand how you would expect them to be mean, since that just isn't there either.

 

[teacherdean]

Goes back to my question. Was she the buffer when Pat was coaching? The one the girls could come and talk to after a tough time with Pat. She doesn't suck. She is a VFL. Maybe she just can't change from her original time as "friends" of the girls.

As a person, I believe she has a good heart, however, having a good heart does not equate to being a good coach. As a person she does not suck, however, her coaching many time seem very enept. Saying you don’t know why your players are doing this or doing that is not how a good coach projects themselves as the leader of their program. Can’t believe that we have players that do not take instructions well. I believe that they all want to win, they just need leadership to get them there.

 

[37620VOL]

Westbrook should be pg. If Hayes can't shoot, I don't know why we recruited her. Hayes has also been a liability on defense.

 

[teacherdean]

But but its the players fault, we have the best coach that's available she has won SEC title and been to the elite eight.

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lol::crazy:

 

[VA_VOLFAN]

No problem. I apologize. I thought the point you were making was that if they were meaner they wouldn't get pushed around and they could have won a game like today's. I was disgreeing with that notion. I must've misunderstood. I guess if you aren't talking about consistency and "that just isn't there" then I don't understand how you would expect them to be mean, since that just isn't there either.

Thanks for the apology! I knew all of you UCONN fans weren’t smug jerks who talk bad mouth other programs in public and players that have departed your program like some coaches 😁 you’re a-ok in my book!

 

[gule]

So, think they'll win more than one more game till regular season's end?

 

[Amb3096]

Nared

Freshman- 5.2 ppg
Sophomore- 8.6
Junior- 15.6
Senior- 16.6

Jaime is shooting 37.9% as a senior vs. 37.7% as a freshman. She's shooting 25% from deep as a senior vs. 22.2% as a freshman. Her shooting efficiency is about exactly the same. The only difference is she's playing more minutes. She's also considerably worse at shooting compared to last year (42.3% overall, 37.8% from deep). I wouldn't call that a significant improvement.

 

[Amb3096]

Just watched the game. About what one would have expected after the last two seasons. They look exactly the same as they did last year, except that Evina Westbrook is light years better as a player compared to Jordan. Otherwise, same discombobulated look on offense and inability to stop opposing guards from driving the lane. Jackson and Moncrief were able to get to the rim or get open for midrange jumpers just about whenever they felt like. If not for their sad performance at the FT line, this would have been a beatdown. But LSU had no business staying with them. Not sure how the "Holly Can Do No Wrong" crowd defends this one. They don't have Diamond or Te'a around to blame for this one, although I have seen the cries of wishing for the graduation of Nared and Russell. I can't help but wonder who next year's scapegoats will be? My guess is Davis and Green...

 

[Amb3096]

Westbrook should be pg. If Hayes can't shoot, I don't know why we recruited her. Hayes has also been a liability on defense.

Hayes does one thing well, and one thing only. When she's on the run full speed in the open court, she's either scoring on a driving layup, or she's getting to the FT line. She's absolutely useless in a halfcourt setting. They were daring her to shoot all game, and she has the ugliest looking jumpshot on the team. I have no idea how she hit two of them against Ole Miss, but they were clearly lucky heaves that connected.

If she doesn't develop an outside shot and a mid range pull up jumper, she will be a liability on offense. LSU was practically begging her to shoot, and even when wide open and with about 4 seconds to think about it, she still couldn't come close. Wonder what her daddy has to say about her performance today?

 

[VA_VOLFAN]

Jaime is shooting 37.9% as a senior vs. 37.7% as a freshman. She's shooting 25% from deep as a senior vs. 22.2% as a freshman. Her shooting efficiency is about exactly the same. The only difference is she's playing more minutes. She's also considerably worse at shooting compared to last year (42.3% overall, 37.8% from deep). I wouldn't call that a significant improvement.

Again, the poster asked for stats that showed from freshman year to senior year. So that’s what I provided... and again basharras minutes increases and productivity decreases as her years progressed. So that was my point there is no reason to think the freshman won’t improve was my point.

 

[Amb3096]

Again, the poster asked for stats that showed from freshman year to senior year. So that’s what I provided... and again basharras minutes increases and productivity decreases as her years progressed. So that was my point there is no reason to think the freshman won’t improve was my point.

I think Evina will finish as a great player. Rennia looks to be pretty good too. I won't dispute that.

But the stats you pulled for Jaime don't indicate she's gotten better. She plays more minutes so she scores more points, but she's just as inefficient as a senior as she was as a freshman.

 

[Volfan2012]

It is obvious that Nared started the year better than she has ever been and regressed to her old self about the time SEC play began. The freshmen were not playing like freshman for the first part of the season and now have started being more like freshmen as the season has progressed.
The two stats as to why were losing now are offensive rebounding causing a lot of second chance points for the other team as well as an addition 10 to 15 shots at the basket per game. You can't give up 23 offensive rebounds and expect to win and have a deficit of 10 to 20 shots per game and expect to win. Until we fix those stats we are beatable by anyone.

 

[T.J.]

It is obvious that Nared started the year better than she has ever been and regressed to her old self about the time SEC play began. The freshmen were not playing like freshman for the first part of the season and now have started being more like freshmen as the season has progressed.
The two stats as to why were losing now are offensive rebounding causing a lot of second chance points for the other team as well as an addition 10 to 15 shots at the basket per game. You can't give up 23 offensive rebounds and expect to win and have a deficit of 10 to 20 shots per game and expect to win. Until we fix those stats we are beatable by anyone.

Holly doesn't know how to fix those stats.

 

[PointGuard]

Even the most loyal Holly fan needs to admit there is something wrong with her program. Were going in the wrong direction not getting better getting worse. We were averaging 80 ppg and more now we can't get to sixty. We can't rebound after a missed shot and teams are getting 10 to 15 more shots per game than we are.
I hate to see the season go down the drain but I see three or four more probable losses and in the end we want finish much better than last season when there was so much talk about dissension on the team.
The Lady Vols have always been an elite team in the country now were quickly losing that status. It is very sad.

So since 2008 is quickly losing status?