Game Thread: Lady Vols at No. 4/3 LSU; 7PM; ESPN2

#52
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Dang. Miles just hammered State player with closed fist on layup attempt.

Oops wrong thread.

Oh, well. Lady Vols 73; LSU 68.
 
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Tenn 74
LSU 61

Tenn can still win the Southeastern Conf. with a few more road victories. The competition factor will greatly benefit this team late in the season. At some point start your best talent and the odds shift in these Top 25 matchups.
 
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DSunAthletics said:
Tenn 74
LSU 61

Tenn can still win the Southeastern Conf. with a few more road victories. The competition factor will greatly benefit this team late in the season. At some point start your best talent and the odds shift in these Top 25 matchups.
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IF Tennessee holds LSU to 61 points that will be the miracle of the night. I am hoping we can hold them to 70 but I see 80.
 
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Schedule to tough????
I keep hearing that Coach Kellie or whoever made the Schedule made a mistake by scheduling to many top rated teams but is that a fair statement? With all the transfers I think it is really hard to predict (outside of 2 or 3 teams) how good (or bad) a team is going to be. Did anyone predict OSU or Indiana were going to be top 10? Did anyone predict that we would not be a top 10 team?
I just looked at the ESPN top 20 preseason rankings, only Stanford and UConn were rated in the top 10. Preseason OSU was ranked 13 and Indiana was ranked 17th. I don’t think we can blame whoever made the schedule that some of the teams we played are better than expected. I guess we could just schedule teams that we know won’t be competitive.
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Raebo said:
Schedule to tough????
I keep hearing that Coach Kellie or whoever made the Schedule made a mistake by scheduling to many top rated teams but is that a fair statement? With all the transfers I think it is really hard to predict (outside of 2 or 3 teams) how good a team is going to be. Did anyone predict OSU or Indiana were going to be top 10?
I just looked at the ESPN top 20 preseason rankings, only Stanford and UConn were rated in the top 10. Preseason OSU was ranked 13 and Indiana was ranked 17th. I don’t think we can blame whoever made the schedule that some of the teams we played are better than expected. I guess we could just schedule teams that we know won’t be competitive.
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Kellie said last week in an interview she made the schedule too tough. Said she wanted them to get punched, but not that much.

To be fair, she's also said they didn't have any idea it would be this hard or take this long to bring this team to its full potential. Obviously.
 
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volnationnj said:
So was the schedule too tough or were the LV's not tough enough ?
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Both.

After the season, they definitely have to dive deep into why this team (so far) has been so much less than they looked on paper.KJH wasn't the only one who overestimated, that's why they got picked so high preseason. And why this is so crazy disappointing.

Of course the season isn't over, they could get there. But we've been saying that since the Bahamas.
 
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travis929 said:
Darby against ranked teams:
  • Ohio State: 9 points, 3-5 from 3
  • Indiana: 9 points, 3-7 from 3
  • UCLA: 3 points, 1-2 from 3
  • Gonzaga: 6 points, 2-2 from 3
  • Colorado: 0 points, 0-2 from 3
  • Virginia Tech: 2 points, 0-3 from 3
  • Stanford: 5 points, 1-3 from 3
  • UConn: 6 points, 2-4 from 3
Puckett against ranked teams:
  • Ohio State: 0 points, 0-1 from 3
  • Indiana: 0 points, 0-0 from 3
  • UCLA: 2 points, 0-2 from 3
  • Gonzaga: 0 points, 0-1 from 3
  • Colorado: 4 points, 0-2 from 3
  • Virginia Tech: 2 points, 0-0 from 3
  • Stanford: 11 points, 3-6 from 3
  • UConn: 5 points, 1-6 from 3
Yeah, Puckett has struggled against the better competition (4-18 from 3), though to be fair to her, she was barely playing in that first brutal stretch of the schedule when we still had Tamari and Marta. Darby's scoring is definitely down against tougher competition, but going 12-26 from 3 against that schedule? That's pretty elite. If anything, we should be doing more to get her more looks against better defenses.

You're right that Darby is towards the bottom of the roster when it comes to defensive rating and defensive win-shares per 40 minutes, and Puckett is kind of in the lower-middle tier. You know who's second to last in both (just above Pissott)? Rickea Jackson. :eek: (that actually really surprises me) And Striplin is actually second only to Horston in both!
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It doesn't make a tinkers damn who starts between those two.......that is the real problem neither makes a difference.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
LSU 77 Tennessee 68 I don't see us beating them on their home court with a full house. They are a talented team and we never play forty minutes. That is partly because we don't play the best players enough. I am hoping for victory should be a great game.
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Kellie needs to start the 5 Best Players and let them do their job and tell her assistant coaches to let her be the head coach, instead of constantly getting in her ear. She needs to control substitutions. So far it substitutions have just been bizarre, along with starting lineup. Hard to tell who can do what.
 
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glv98 said:
Both.

After the season, they definitely have to dive deep into why this team (so far) has been so much less than they looked on paper.KJH wasn't the only one who overestimated, that's why they got picked so high preseason. And why this is so crazy disappointing.

Of course the season isn't over, they could get there. But we've been saying that since the Bahamas.
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But you could see it coming to some extent. Everyone pretended that Franklin's ACL injury just did not happen or that being a 6-1 post was not going to be a limitation in the SEC. Hollingshead had just not played that much do to injuries and came in a bit unpolished. Powell is a bit more of surprise but a PG learning a new offensive scheme can take time. Justine it has all been said before and maybe Kellie should have handled her differently but she was not a game changer coming in as a freshman.

And then the loss of Key was the final blow. A 100% Key and they probably some of those early tough games.

What we have is a team with little margin for error. In a given game, they need Jackson and Horston to both play well. We have a lot of games where it has tended to be one or the other. And our role players have not been good enough against the better competition.

Right now, Kellie has too many players that are going to be pretty to very good as upperclassman (Tess, Sara, Karo) but aren't ready for top flight competition for a while. That is a mid-major modus operandi, you recruit solid players who are not on the radar screens for Uconn, Stanford, SC, get them experienced and you have a really 2 or 3 years. That won't cut at this level. It seemed that Kellie used the transfer portal to close that gap but it turns, all but Rickea, are players that need development time (and in Franklin's case recovery time).

I don't want to look past this season, where having Jordan H. and Rickea, is reason to stay optimistic. But next season, Kellie's fate as head coach will hinge on the aforementioned players making that upperclassmen jump, Justine living up to her HS ranking, and another good portal (with a more polished PG and an outside shooter joining the team).
 
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madtownvol said:
But you could see it coming to some extent. Everyone pretended that Franklin's ACL injury just did not happen or that being a 6-1 post was not going to be a limitation in the SEC. Hollingshead had just not played that much do to injuries and came in a bit unpolished. Powell is a bit more of surprise but a PG learning a new offensive scheme can take time. Justine it has all been said before and maybe Kellie should have handled her differently but she was not a game changer coming in as a freshman.
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This is standard fan board overblown optimism and yes we did it all. I actually warned about Powell, her stats just didn't look that much better than Walkers, though I still have some hope for her. But what I don't get is how the national media got so fooled, especially when their trust in us was already very, very thin. To quote Pete Townsend, they won't get fooled again.
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What we have is a team with little margin for error. In a given game, they need Jackson and Horston to both play well. We have a lot of games where it has tended to be one or the other. And our role players have not been good enough against the better competition.
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This is where KJH may really take some heat. It feels like she has rarely, if ever, figured out how to best use them together. A start would be actually having them on the floor together. Some has been beyond her control, illness, injury, suspension, fouls but some has been her own decision making. Time is short, but maybe some lights will come on.
 
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glv98 said:
This is standard fan board overblown optimism and yes we did it all. I actually warned about Powell, her stats just didn't look that much better than Walkers, though I still have some hope for her. But what I don't get is how the national media got so fooled, especially when their trust in us was already very, very thin. To quote Pete Townsend, they won't get fooled again.

This is where KJH may really take some heat. It feels like she has rarely, if ever, figured out how to best use them together. A start would be actually having them on the floor together. Some has been beyond her control, illness, injury, suspension, fouls but some has been her own decision making. Time is short, but maybe some lights will come on.
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I think it was the Rickea Jackson signing. The media assumed the team would be built around her and she, along with Horston, could carry the team with a sufficient supporting casts.

As Volfan2012, has said a few times, the LVs defensive game has been substandard and much worse than last season (the loss of Key is a part of that but still....) and not enough outside shooting. In hindsight, one could argue that more of the offensive should be running through Jackson and she should be near the top of the nation in scoring. Call me crazy, but a team could regularly run plays for one of the three most talented offensive players in the nation, particularly when you are very short on other scoring options.
 
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glv98 said:
This is standard fan board overblown optimism and yes we did it all. I actually warned about Powell, her stats just didn't look that much better than Walkers, though I still have some hope for her. But what I don't get is how the national media got so fooled, especially when their trust in us was already very, very thin. To quote Pete Townsend, they won't get fooled again.

This is where KJH may really take some heat. It feels like she has rarely, if ever, figured out how to best use them together. A start would be actually having them on the floor together. Some has been beyond her control, illness, injury, suspension, fouls but some has been her own decision making. Time is short, but maybe some lights will come on.
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Kellie needs to start the 5 BEST players and stop the bizarre substitution patterns. She need to tell her assistant coaches to let her makes those calls and get out of her ear all game. She only need to speak in the huddle. Tennessee is not good enough yet to play the pre conference schedule. LSU played cupcakes and they are ranked and playing just fine.
 
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VOLPAT said:
Kellie needs to start the 5 BEST players and stop the bizarre substitution patterns. She need to tell her assistant coaches to let her makes those calls and get out of her ear all game. She only need to speak in the huddle. Tennessee is not good enough yet to play the pre conference schedule. LSU played cupcakes and they are ranked and playing just fine.
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Her downfall as LV coach, if it comes, is that she wants to run the team as a democracy, sharing power with assistants and even trying to be egalitarian in how she distributes minutes to players.

It is good to be collaborative but, at some point, the buck stops with the coach and you have to run with the players who give you the best chance to win.
 
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I was going to throw my hat in on predicting some score windows for this game, but reviewing LSU's schedule really pissed me off. Tennessee would have a great shot at being 20-0 with their schedule too. I have no idea what's going to happen. Road wins are always hard, and Mulkey is a great coach, but their record is one sweet cuppin' cake of sorry scheduling. It's borderline criminal to see an SEC team with their pedigree having a SOS outside the top 100. Bah. NW State? Tulane? MS Valley? New Orleans? Montana State? Come on.

I mean, nuts to it. LSU has played nobody - NOBODY - outside of their SEC opponents. And Tennessee has. Fine. Tennessee wins. I shouldn't. It's foolish. But LSU's entire resume is printed on tissue paper. Bah. BAH.
 
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I agree that LSU's scehedule is a freaking JOKE. However, to most people they just see 20-0 and that creates a huge buzz and puts fans in the seats. Most people outside of this board don't over-analyze every little thing about a team or their schedule. They see UNDEFEATED and a number ONE seed in the NCAA.
 
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