Game Thread: LADY VOLS VS. OLE MISS

[krichunaka]

Honestly, Rennie has the opposite of quick release. She needs to be wide-open to get her shot off, although that may be changing. I was really happy to see her make a ball fake and when the defender bit, she took a dribble to the right and shot. Unfortunately, the ball rattled out but it was decent look she created and that is something she has not shown in prior games. So, I am pleased to see her development. She can knock open shots with good consistency and she is figuring out to create the space she needs to get her shot off.

Off season, actually developing a quicker release should be a major point of emphasis.

Honestly, I think you know much more about anatomy, muscle behavior, and probably more about basketball than I would ever hope to.
But the time it takes for Jessie Rennie to catch, and then releases the ball ...is as quick as I remember seeing. The ball leaves her hands so quickly, and effortlessly. It’s clinical actually. No, she doesn’t jump. She doesn’t need to. Her shot is pure and quick.

And, for all her faults - that you’ve taken every opportunity to document - she has improved as much as anyone on our team, and certainly more than any of the freshmen. *Granted, this is because she had, and has a long way to go, but her release should be way down the list of needed improvements.*
And, there are lots of shooters who will not attempt the shot when a defender is “relatively” close, just as there are many exceptions - those Taurasi types - who can and will shoot no matter the defensive presence.
Jessie Rennie is the epitome of Team Player. When she receives a pass she does what a great teammate should do - she VALUES the basketball! She immediately scans the court for open teammates, almost always looking first to the post. She delivers the ball to teammates better than anyone I can think of (except Jordan, who, when she settles in will be incomparable. But, I digress).
So, for now, we disagree on Jessie’s release. But, I will immediately apologize if proven wrong. I further challenge anyone to put a stopwatch to it. Meanwhile, I contend that It is NOT her release quickness. It is more her (somewhat overboard) deference.

 

[FormerLadyVolFan]

He’s not the only one. What’s up with not calling moving screens this year?

Maybe he wasn't oh, but he sure laid to charge and not calling moving screens

 

[lvocd]

Honestly, I think you know much more about anatomy, muscle behavior, and probably more about basketball than I would ever hope to.
But the time it takes for Jessie Rennie to catch, and then releases the ball ...is as quick as I remember seeing. The ball leaves her hands so quickly, and effortlessly. It’s clinical actually. No, she doesn’t jump. She doesn’t need to. Her shot is pure and quick.

And, for all her faults - that you’ve taken every opportunity to document - she has improved as much as anyone on our team, and certainly more than any of the freshmen. *Granted, this is because she had, and has a long way to go, but her release should be way down the list of needed improvements.*
And, there are lots of shooters who will not attempt the shot when a defender is “relatively” close, just as there are many exceptions - those Taurasi types - who can and will shoot no matter the defensive presence.
Jessie Renie is the epitome of Team Player. When she receives a pass she does what a great teammate should do - she VALUES the basketball! She immediately scans the court for open teammates, almost always looking first to the post. She delivers the ball to teammates better than anyone I can think of (except Jordan, who, when she settles in will be incomparable. But, I digress).
So, for now, we disagree on Jessie’s release. But, I will immediately apologize if proven wrong. I further challenge anyone to put a stopwatch to it. Meanwhile, I contend that It is NOT her release quickness. It is more her (somewhat overboard) deference.

Agreed!

To my eye, most of the time the ball appears to have barely touched her fingers at all before it's gone again. I just wish she could get open more often and then not worry about being blocked. I mean, how often do people get blocked on the 3-pt line, anyway? And so what if that DID happen now and then? She should just work on some post-block acting routines and try to get three free throws. Hey, it works for a lot of other players!

 

[FrozenLVFan]

Honestly, I think you know much more about anatomy, muscle behavior, and probably more about basketball than I would ever hope to.
But the time it takes for Jessie Rennie to catch, and then releases the ball ...is as quick as I remember seeing. The ball leaves her hands so quickly, and effortlessly. It’s clinical actually. No, she doesn’t jump. She doesn’t need to. Her shot is pure and quick.

And, for all her faults - that you’ve taken every opportunity to document - she has improved as much as anyone on our team, and certainly more than any of the freshmen. *Granted, this is because she had, and has a long way to go, but her release should be way down the list of needed improvements.*
And, there are lots of shooters who will not attempt the shot when a defender is “relatively” close, just as there are many exceptions - those Taurasi types - who can and will shoot no matter the defensive presence.
Jessie Rennie is the epitome of Team Player. When she receives a pass she does what a great teammate should do - she VALUES the basketball! She immediately scans the court for open teammates, almost always looking first to the post. She delivers the ball to teammates better than anyone I can think of (except Jordan, who, when she settles in will be incomparable. But, I digress).
So, for now, we disagree on Jessie’s release. But, I will immediately apologize if proven wrong. I further challenge anyone to put a stopwatch to it. Meanwhile, I contend that It is NOT her release quickness. It is more her (somewhat overboard) deference.

Rennie is by far the most improved player on the team since the start of the season. Her release IS quicker than it was, and her defense is orders of magnitude better. I hope she can improve her ball-handling skills over the summer.

 

[Darth_Vol]

Honestly, I think you know much more about anatomy, muscle behavior, and probably more about basketball than I would ever hope to.
But the time it takes for Jessie Rennie to catch, and then releases the ball ...is as quick as I remember seeing. The ball leaves her hands so quickly, and effortlessly. It’s clinical actually. No, she doesn’t jump. She doesn’t need to. Her shot is pure and quick.

And, for all her faults - that you’ve taken every opportunity to document - she has improved as much as anyone on our team, and certainly more than any of the freshmen. *Granted, this is because she had, and has a long way to go, but her release should be way down the list of needed improvements.*
And, there are lots of shooters who will not attempt the shot when a defender is “relatively” close, just as there are many exceptions - those Taurasi types - who can and will shoot no matter the defensive presence.
Jessie Rennie is the epitome of Team Player. When she receives a pass she does what a great teammate should do - she VALUES the basketball! She immediately scans the court for open teammates, almost always looking first to the post. She delivers the ball to teammates better than anyone I can think of (except Jordan, who, when she settles in will be incomparable. But, I digress).
So, for now, we disagree on Jessie’s release. But, I will immediately apologize if proven wrong. I further challenge anyone to put a stopwatch to it. Meanwhile, I contend that It is NOT her release quickness. It is more her (somewhat overboard) deference.

Thank you, this is spot on. It's clear one of Kellie's mistakes this season was not giving more minutes to Rennie while Horston was going through her implosions...

 

[GameTime]

Thank you, this is spot on. It's clear one of Kellie's mistakes this season was not giving more minutes to Rennie while Horston was going through her implosions...

Spot on Darth...That was hard to type....
I agree, why in the world did Kellie stay with Horston when her high number of turnovers were at the center of so many losses....If the little Aussie girl had been given a few minutes each of those close losses, it seems logical the LVs would have won a game or two and saved a lot of heartburn.

 

[teacherdean]

Thursday night was a train wreck. What was KJH thinking? To say this was a terrible game is an understatement. This was a dumpster fire. If Tennessee play like this against Auburn, can you spell WNIT?

 

[FormerLadyVolFan]

We obviously watched different games Thursday night. I was at Thompson-Boling Arena - what were you watching?

Thursday night was a train wreck. What was KJH thinking? To say this was a terrible game is an understatement. This was a dumpster fire. If Tennessee play like this against Auburn, can you spell WNIT?

 

[FormerLadyVolFan]

SMH.

Thank you, this is spot on. It's clear one of Kellie's mistakes this season was not giving more minutes to Rennie while Horston was going through her implosions...

 

[Tennesseefan2019]

Thursday night was a train wreck. What was KJH thinking? To say this was a terrible game is an understatement. This was a dumpster fire. If Tennessee play like this against Auburn, can you spell WNIT?

The LadyVols wont lose to the Lady Barners.

 

[Coach Jumper]

Thursday night was a train wreck. What was KJH thinking? To say this was a terrible game is an understatement. This was a dumpster fire. If Tennessee play like this against Auburn, can you spell WNIT?

He was watching the refs

We obviously watched different games Thursday night. I was at Thompson-Boling Arena - what were you watching?

 

[Tennesseefan2019]

Rennie is by far the most improved player on the team since the start of the season. Her release IS quicker than it was, and her defense is orders of magnitude better. I hope she can improve her ball-handling skills over the summer.

Jessie Rennie will be fun to watch during the 2020-2021 season

 

[glv98]

I agree, why in the world did Kellie stay with Horston when her high number of turnovers were at the center of so many losses....If the little Aussie girl had been given a few minutes each of those close losses, it seems logical the LVs would have won a game or two and saved a lot of heartburn.

I'm going to say the reason is because Kellie thought the likelihood of Jordan playing through her problems and making important contributions was greater than the chances the little Aussie girl would win us a game or two given a few minutes. Or maybe she thought Jordan's turnovers were less damaging than Jessie's defensive liability. Coaches get paid big bucks to make these personnel decisions all the time.

Sometimes they make the wrong decision and in this case, with hindsight, she probably did since Jordan took all season to "play through" her woes while Rennie has developed a bit of a hot hand. But honestly, given the raw data, I probably would have made the same wrong choice.

 

[glv98]

Thursday night was a train wreck. What was KJH thinking? To say this was a terrible game is an understatement. This was a dumpster fire. If Tennessee play like this against Auburn, can you spell WNIT?

Some train wreck. We had 3 players in double figures, one of them a double double, we had 21 assist to 12 turnovers, shot 43% fg and 84% fts, and outrebounded the opponent 45-27. Every player, except She Who Never Plays, got minutes.

Yet, I agree that we were able to do this, and in the end win comfortably, and still make it look ugly. For one thing Ole Miss has improved a ton and had a career night shooting 3s, thanks in part to our saggy D. Also, we just never play with much rhythm or consistency. We play in fits and spurts. IMO this is partly b/c of KJH open door policy on subbing and also b/c of youth and inexperience.

So strangely, while the Ole Miss game was not really a dumpster fire, I think I agree if we play like that at Auburn, we'll probably lose.

Pretty sure they're trying to kill me.

 

[PG1]

Thursday night was a train wreck. What was KJH thinking? To say this was a terrible game is an understatement. This was a dumpster fire. If Tennessee play like this against Auburn, can you spell WNIT?

Be careful there are some on this board who think this was a dominant performance. We had 3 players in double figures(Thanks Ole Miss) one with a double double(Thanks Ole Miss) and doubled them in rebounding(Thanks Ole Miss). We are now celebrating and embracing victories over the worst team in the Conference.

 

[Volfan2012]

The big problem in the Ole Miss game is the way we defended the three point line. We decided to just let them shoot from there and they got 32 open looks made 12 for 36 points. 36 points on 32 shots was the best thing they did everything else was terrible. Outscoring us 36 to 15 at the three point line usually will get you beat. Auburn has three players that can shoot the three and also a post player probably top three in the league. Of course a must win game that does not guarantee anything as far as NCAA Tourney you still can't lose to anyone like Missouri or Ole Miss which would be the next game. So you have two games to win to at least get consideration.

 

[Coach Jumper]

The big problem in the Ole Miss game is the way we defended the three point line. We decided to just let them shoot from there and they got 32 open looks made 12 for 36 points. 36 points on 32 shots was the best thing they did everything else was terrible. Outscoring us 36 to 15 at the three point line usually will get you beat. Auburn has three players that can shoot the three and also a post player probably top three in the league. Of course a must win game that does not guarantee anything as far as NCAA Tourney you still can't lose to anyone like Missouri or Ole Miss which would be the next game. So you have two games to win to at least get consideration.

I imagine the gameplan will be somewhat different for this game

Be careful there are some on this board who think this was a dominant performance. We had 3 players in double figures(Thanks Ole Miss) one with a double double(Thanks Ole Miss) and doubled them in rebounding(Thanks Ole Miss). We are now celebrating and embracing victories over the worst team in the Conference.

It was the last game that we could legitimately experiment and still have no problem winning...I am sure Coach K knows this.

 

[lvocd]

There are three types of fans:

1. The first are the fans who watch games with eyes trained toward spotting the mistakes and weaknesses of their team.

2. The second type watches games looking for the positive contributions, big and small, each player and staff member makes.

3.The third type watches games, sees both the strengths and weaknesses, and doesn’t get too worked up about either.

I’m a Type 3 brain with a Type 2 heart. But there are LOTS of Type 1s in here, and I have never been able to wrap my head around why folks like that even bother with it. If something makes ME feel miserable, I just stop doing it.

 

[Volfaninfl2]

There are three types of fans:

1. The first are the fans who watch games with eyes trained toward spotting the mistakes and weaknesses of their team.

2. The second type watches games looking for the positive contributions, big and small, each player and staff member makes.

3.The third type watches games, sees both the strengths and weaknesses, and doesn’t get too worked up about either.

I’m a Type 3 brain with a Type 2 heart. But there are LOTS of Type 1s in here, and I have never been able to wrap my head around why folks like that even bother with it. If something makes ME feel miserable, I just stop doing it.

There’s also a type 4. That fan watches the games, sees the positive contributions and is encouraged/proud/happy for the players and Coaches and himself, and also sees where there is room for improvement, but also gets quite disgusted over certain bad play, so actually gets “worked up” over the good and not good, but is patient over the needs improvement part.

 

[PRG]

There are three types of fans:

1. The first are the fans who watch games with eyes trained toward spotting the mistakes and weaknesses of their team.

2. The second type watches games looking for the positive contributions, big and small, each player and staff member makes.

3.The third type watches games, sees both the strengths and weaknesses, and doesn’t get too worked up about either.

I’m a Type 3 brain with a Type 2 heart. But there are LOTS of Type 1s in here, and I have never been able to wrap my head around why folks like that even bother with it. If something makes ME feel miserable, I just stop doing it.

“ If something makes me feel miserable, I stop doing it .”

This sounds a lot like my first wife ?

Is this you Honey Pot ?

 

[glv98]

There are three types of fans:

1. The first are the fans who watch games with eyes trained toward spotting the mistakes and weaknesses of their team.

2. The second type watches games looking for the positive contributions, big and small, each player and staff member makes.

3.The third type watches games, sees both the strengths and weaknesses, and doesn’t get too worked up about either.

I’m a Type 3 brain with a Type 2 heart. But there are LOTS of Type 1s in here, and I have never been able to wrap my head around why folks like that even bother with it. If something makes ME feel miserable, I just stop doing it.

I think there's a universal type fan (and I think you actually mean poster) who I'd call Type Told Ya So. It encompasses most of us and it's the fan who watches and posts mostly to reinforce what we already thought and said. So if we opposed the KJH hire we're Type 1, if we support KJH we're type 2, and if we're Type 3 we're Goody Two Shoes or we're lying (just kidding of course).

I'd disagree that Type 1s are miserable, I was a type 1 the last couple of seasons and as long as there's plenty to say told ya so about, it's still a fun experience.

Right now I'm a 2-. Looking for positive but really worried about the persistent and repetitive negatives.

 

[glv98]

Be careful there are some on this board who think this was a dominant performance. We had 3 players in double figures(Thanks Ole Miss) one with a double double(Thanks Ole Miss) and doubled them in rebounding(Thanks Ole Miss). We are now celebrating and embracing victories over the worst team in the Conference.

If you weren't so busy taking my post out of context you wouldn't have missed the rest of it which contained the actual point. I did cite those stats, which are true facts, but didn't really "celebrate" nor "embrace" them. In fact, the part you conveniently left out was where I said in spite of the good stats the LVs still managed to make it ugly AND I agreed if they play like that Sunday against Auburn they'd probably lose.

But yes, now that you mention it, I absolutely celebrate and embrace that team stat line against anyone, hell I'd be happy if this team had 21 assists to 12 turnovers with NO opposition on the court. You been watching the last few seasons? This is exactly where we are, against anyone. No use denying reality, this is how far the program was allowed to fall. Being realistic doesn't mean we're happy or satisfied with it though and its ok to acknowledge baby steps IMO.

I suspect your frustration is that we're still at that point this late into KJH first season. I'd hoped we'd be farther along by now and am worried also about the apparent lack of in season improvement. Just not sure enough how much of that is KJH fault to be down her. Yet.

 

[Darth_Vol]

Mississippi Guard Mimi Reid -- "We knew the weaknesses of Tennessee, and we knew we should just keep going and going and eventually they would fold, so we made our run."

Pretty embarrassing when the 0-15 team has you figured out...

 

[lvocd]

“ If something makes me feel miserable, I stop doing it .”

This sounds a lot like my first wife ?

Is this you Honey Pot ?

LOL!!!!!

 

[lvocd]

I think there's a universal type fan (and I think you actually mean poster) who I'd call Type Told Ya So. It encompasses most of us and it's the fan who watches and posts mostly to reinforce what we already thought and said. So if we opposed the KJH hire we're Type 1, if we support KJH we're type 2, and if we're Type 3 we're Goody Two Shoes or we're lying (just kidding of course).

I'd disagree that Type 1s are miserable, I was a type 1 the last couple of seasons and as long as there's plenty to say told ya so about, it's still a fun experience.

Right now I'm a 2-. Looking for positive but really worried about the persistent and repetitive negatives.

I get you. The Type 1s I had in mind when I posted that are the ones who never, ever have anything nice to say about the team, staff or program, and actually appear to enjoy the losses because it gives them a chance to publicly ridicule the Lady Vols.

I’ve never seen you as that type, glv98. Dirge_Vol is Type 1. allenfan1 is Type 1. teacherdean is on the cusp. There are others. Ugh.