Game Thread Lady Vols vs Texas

#601
#601
Yeah, the fans are the problem. Do you want to play in front of 10,000 fans and some of the largest away crowd in wcbb, program who has led wcbb in attendance the past 10 year?Get out of here Loser, why speak,excuses.
 
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#602
#602
Sandvol said:
Ivy. We just see where this thing is going. I am still hopeful Holly will learn how to be a head coach. I'm giving her this year. I don't expect her to be a Pat or a Geno. But I want to see some substantial progress on her part. If we have another sweet 16 year or less I'm done with her.
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#603
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Sandvol said:
Ivy. We just see where this thing is going.
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I don't think you do. You are entitled to your opinion, and I'm entitled to mine. My opinion is that much of the fan base is ridiculous. I know many think the UT fanbase is a positive, and in many ways it is. It's large and it's passionate. However, if I were a coach at another school and in a recruiting battle with UT, you better believe I'd use the perpetually malcontent fanbase factor to negatively recruit against UT by telling recruits that UT is known to drive away its coaching staff. I know you want to think the grass is greener on the other side (or with another coach), but I'm telling you -- you need to be very, very careful what you wish for. Seriously. A certain very vocal segment of the fanbase has this entitled opinion that any coach would be thrilled to come coach at UT. And I'm telling you -- you are very, very wrong. If this fanbase drives Holly away, you're really going to be moaning about becoming the next ODU or Louisiana Tech, because that's exactly where you'll be.

Sandvol said:
I am still hopeful Holly will learn how to be a head coach. I'm giving her this year. I don't expect her to be a Pat or a Geno. But I want to see some substantial progress on her part. If we have another sweet 16 year or less I'm done with her.
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That's your prerogative.
 
#604
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Pat4life said:
Yeah, the fans are the problem. Do you want to play in front of 10,000 fans and some of the largest away crowd in wcbb, program who has led wcbb in attendance the past 10 year?Get out of here Loser, why speak,excuses.
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I guess that ignore button didn't work for you, did it? LOL
 
#605
#605
ivyleague said:
I don't think you do. You are entitled to your opinion, and I'm entitled to mine. My opinion is that much of the fan base is ridiculous. I know many think the UT fanbase is a positive, and in many ways it is. It's large and it's passionate. However, if I were a coach at another school and in a recruiting battle with UT, you better believe I'd use the perpetually malcontent fanbase factor to negatively recruit against UT by telling recruits that UT is known to drive away its coaching staff. I know you want to think the grass is greener on the other side (or with another coach), but I'm telling you -- you need to be very, very careful what you wish for. Seriously. A certain very vocal segment of the fanbase has this entitled opinion that any coach would be thrilled to come coach at UT. And I'm telling you -- you are very, very wrong. If this fanbase drives Holly away, you're really going to be moaning about becoming the next ODU or Louisiana Tech, because that's exactly where you'll be.
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No, we won't. Good coaches aren't intimidated by going to places where bad coaches have been fired. And, didn't you predict a 10-15 point win and talk about how stupid everyone was for not agreeing with you?

At some point, you have to start believing your eyes and start realizing that Warlick just isn't the right person for this job. Hiring the career assistant is simply a bad idea all the way around, especially at such a high level as Tennessee.
 
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Unimane said:
No, we won't.
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Delusional, entitled B.S.

Unimane said:
Good coaches aren't intimidated by going to places where bad coaches have been fired.
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1. Holly isn't a bad coach.
2. Holly isn't going anywhere any time soon, so the point is moot.
3. If you think coaches are jumping at the chance to come "save" UT, look at the football and men's basketball programs and think again.

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And, didn't you predict a 10-15 point win and talk about how stupid everyone was for not agreeing with you?
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Nope.

Unimane said:
At some point, you have to start believing your eyes and start realizing that Warlick just isn't the right person for this job. Hiring the career assistant is simply a bad idea all the way around, especially at such a high level as Tennessee.
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I disagree. Resoundingly.
 
#610
#610
"I just didn't think (Moore) was helping us at the time. The game was a little fast for her and we just tried to go with somebody else. Maybe looking back, we should have played her more. Obviously it couldn't hurt," Warlick said.

This statement here shows Holly just don't get it, your leash can't be long for some (Burdick, Carter, Graves, Massengale) but short for others (Moore, the 3 freshmen, & Reynolds) you can't determine if a player will be of assistance the entire game based off of how poorly they play in the first couple of minutes. Its no way Nia should've played only 5 minutes her shot blocking abilities alone should've warranted her other opportunities, yet Holly preferred to play Burdick at the 3 with jones at the 4 and graves at the 5 and Lang ate them alive. I see alpha dog in certain players (Izzy, Jordan, Russell, Nared, Middleton, Diamond, & Tucker (watched her play a lot in high school and she's a rebel which is probably why Hollys holding her back she will take over if she feels shes going to lose and wont care what the coach says) MeMe Jackson & Te'a have that same mentality and unfortunately we'll lose Izzy without another final four appearence unless Holly wakes up and see that Burdick, Massengale,& graves shouldn't be getting all those minutes and that the freshmen can't do any worst, if Burdick & Massengale don't have it now after 3 years they sure aint gonna get it this season see what you have in the younger players thats what makes Geno so great, he never hesitated benching or bringing off the bench players who could start for any other team in the country (Caroline Doty, Kelly Farris, Kaili McLaren) because he knew they only served in certain roles for his team & he utilized them as such
 
#611
#611
I do believe if Harrison had played the outcome may have been different. We are missing a key component of the team.

It will be very difficult to beat good teams without, arguably, your best player, and definitely your best post player, even if Red Auerbach or John Wooden were the coach.
 
#612
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Unimane said:
http://www.volnation.com/forum/tenn...thread-lady-vols-vs-texas-2.html#post10905503

I believe this post was saying a 10-15 point win was coming.
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That wasn't my post, dear. I agreed with the poster's overall sentiment (and still do), but I never claimed to know that Tennessee would win tonight. As a matter of fact, I knew it would be difficult to win if Harrison wasn't in the lineup. That's something a lot of the NegaVols are not taking into consideration right now -- the team is playing without Harrison. That presents a tremendous challenge that no amount of stellar coaching is going to remedy, especially against a team with the inside presence of Texas.
 
#613
#613
Franklin Pierce said:
I do believe if Harrison had played the outcome may have been different. We are missing a key component of the team.

It will be very difficult to beat good teams without, arguably, your best player, and definitely your best post player, even if Red Auerbach or John Wooden were the coach.
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And Texas was without their 6'7" center, one of their best players. Injuries are part of the game...
 
#614
#614
ivyleague said:
Delusional, entitled B.S.

Horsecrap. You are a fool if you think Warlick is the only coach that can keep this place afloat.

1. Holly isn't a bad coach.
2. Holly isn't going anywhere any time soon, so the point is moot.
3. If you think coaches are jumping at the chance to come "save" UT, look at the football and men's basketball programs and think again.

She is a poor coach. Correct, she's probably not going anywhere soon, but that doesn't mean that she shouldn't. The fact that UT decided to go bargain dumpster diving for coaches and hire people without much in terms of accomplishments is exactly what I've been talking about.

Nope.



I disagree. Resoundingly.
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I understand that you want to go down with the Holly Warlick ship, which is fine. However, the "shut up and support the coach" people fail to understand that the coach is not the same as the program. You can be the President of the Holly Warlick Club all you want.

Me? I'm a fan of Tennessee. I don't give a crap if the coach is Holly Warlick, Tyler Summitt, Phil Jackson or anyone else. Win and do your job well. If you can't do them, find someone who will. It isn't that hard of a concept. All the other trains of though, i.e. "what will recruits think", "who will come here if we fire the coach", etc., etc. is simply spineless chatter for those who have no vision and has zero positive effect on the program.
 
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#616
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Deputy Fife said:
Let's try again, hypothetically speaking, if we were to fire Holly and wanted to replace her with either Mitchell or Staley, what in your opinion would be our odds of success?
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"We're" not firing anyone.

I think the program would be worse-off with Mitchell and about the same with Staley. Holly has outcoached Staley twice in the past two years.
 
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#617
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ivyleague said:
That wasn't my post, dear. I agreed with the poster's overall sentiment (and still do), but I never claimed to know that Tennessee would win tonight. As a matter of fact, I knew it would be difficult to win if Harrison wasn't in the lineup. That's something a lot of the NegaVols are not taking into consideration right now -- the team is playing without Harrison. That presents a tremendous challenge that no amount of stellar coaching is going to remedy, especially against a team with the inside presence of Texas.
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Of course you say this now, but the thrust of that post was that we were going to win and it was stupid not to think so. You agreed so much with it that you said "This". Not, "I'm not sure, but...", no, "This.", as in it's true.

I'm not surprised, though, that you can't stand behind what you say and offer some mealy mouthed excuses instead of just owning what you said.
 
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Unimane said:
Of course you say this now, but the thrust of that post was that we were going to win and it was stupid not to think so. You agreed so much with it that you said "This". Not, "I'm not sure, but...", no, "This.", as in it's true.

I'm not surprised, though, that you can't stand behind what you say and offer some mealy mouthed excuses instead of just owning what you said.
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Either learn to read for comprehension or pound sand.
 
#619
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Unimane said:
I understand that you want to go down with the Holly Warlick ship, which is fine. However, the "shut up and support the coach" people fail to understand that the coach is not the same as the program. You can be the President of the Holly Warlick Club all you want.

Me? I'm a fan of Tennessee. I don't give a crap if the coach is Holly Warlick, Tyler Summitt, Phil Jackson or anyone else. Win and do your job well. If you can't do them, find someone who will. It isn't that hard of a concept. All the other trains of though, i.e. "what will recruits think", "who will come here if we fire the coach", etc., etc. is simply spineless chatter for those who have no vision and has zero positive effect on the program.
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Your grasp on reality is about as strong as a one-fingered man's grasp on a pencil.
 
#620
#620
Burdick never helps us when she's on the floor but yet she still continues to go with her. why didn't she bench her and everyone else that wasn't helping the same way she did with Moore?
 
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#622
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Unimane said:
You have nothing to say of real substance, exactly as I thought.
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Your problem is, you don't agree with me, so you assign the label of "no substance" to my posts. Such reactions are to be expected from the weak minded. *shrug* Anyone who claims that every loss is entirely the coach's fault is delusional.
 
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ivyleague said:
Your problem is, you don't agree with me, so you assign the label of "no substance" to my posts. Such reactions are to be expected from the weak minded. *shrug* Anyone who claims that every loss is entirely the coach's fault is delusional.
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It has nothing to do with agreeing or not. I, point blank, called you on your pre-game agreement with a 10-15 point victory and the accompanying "everyone else is stupid for not thinking this" comment. You had nothing after this, per what I expected.

And, I think we've already established that practically nothing is the coach's fault, according to you. It's a complete coincidence that the same coaches tend to win and have their teams well prepared, playing well, year after year. Astonishing how that happens.
 
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