Game Thread Lady Vols vs Texas

[ivyleague]

It has nothing to do with agreeing or not. I, point blank, called you on your pre-game agreement with a 10-15 point victory and the accompanying "everyone else is stupid for not thinking this" comment. You had nothing after this, per what I expected.

Oh for God's sake. I did not make the claim that the team would win tonight by 10-15 points. Twist it however you choose, but that was not my claim, and you only make yourself look foolish by attempting to attribute it to me. I absolutely agreed -- and still agree -- with the poster's overall sentiment. I made no claims about the team's likelihood of winning or the point spread; in fact, if you peruse some of my other comments prior to tonight's game, you will find that I said it would be difficult to win without Harrison. And I was right.

And, I think we've already established that practically nothing is the coach's fault, according to you.

I've never claimed that no amount of blame should be placed on the coach, but according to you, practically everything is the coach's fault. It takes an entire team to win a game, and it takes an entire team to lose a game. Holly didn't miss free throws tonight. Holly didn't miss shots. Holly couldn't do anything about Harrison's inability to play.

It's a complete coincidence that the same coaches tend to win and have their teams well prepared, playing well, year after year. Astonishing how that happens.

If we are talking about tending to win, Holly's got a winning record. A strong winning record, and an excellent record for a third year head coach. Nearly every top team has already lost one game this season. Apparently there's a lot of poor coaching and ill-preparation going around.

 

[Unimane]

Oh for God's sake. I did not make the claim that the team would win tonight by 10-15 points. Twist it however you choose, but that was not my claim, and you only make yourself look foolish by attempting to attribute it to me. I absolutely agreed -- and still agree -- with the poster's overall sentiment. I made no claims about the team's likelihood of winning or the point spread; in fact, if you peruse some of my other comments prior to tonight's game, you will find that I said it would be difficult to win without Harrison. And I was right.

You agreed with the sentiment that we would win by 10-15 and people were stupid for not thinking so. Fact.

I've never claimed that no amount of blame should be placed on the coach, but according to you, practically everything is the coach's fault. It takes an entire team to win a game, and it takes an entire team to lose a game. Holly didn't miss free throws tonight. Holly didn't miss shots. Holly couldn't do anything about Harrison's inability to play.

There are AAs littered all over the court for UT, even if some of them are out. Considering I see the same crap happening under Warlick no matter what the personnel is, I'm going with the obvious common denominator here.

If we are talking about tending to win, Holly's got a winning record. A strong winning record, and an excellent record for a third year head coach. Nearly every top team has already lost one game this season. Apparently there's a lot of poor coaching and ill-preparation going around.

Anyone with eyes can see a poorly prepared and coached team a mile away. A whole swarm of people here have noted the glaring problems with Warlick's coaching, serious problems that are endemic and are very unlikely to be fixed. It's not like I'm making any revelations here, the problems are plainly obvious to most people. It reminds me of the Dooley failure. I spent two years arguing with people about the plainly obvious issues on the field only to be countered by the "true fan" nonsense and every excuse in the book. Sometimes, it's just not that complicated.

 

[ivyleague]

anyone with eyes can see a poorly prepared and coached team a mile away. A whole swarm of people here have noted the glaring problems with warlick's coaching, serious problems that are endemic and are very unlikely to be fixed. It's not like i'm making any revelations here, the problems are plainly obvious to most people. It reminds me of the dooley failure. I spent two years arguing with people about the plainly obvious issues on the field only to be countered by the "true fan" nonsense and every excuse in the book. Sometimes, it's just not that complicated.

nwrt

 

[Pat4life]

Anyone with eyes can see a poorly prepared and coached team a mile away. A whole swarm of people here have noted the glaring problems with Warlick's coaching, serious problems that are endemic and are very unlikely to be fixed. It's not like I'm making any revelations here, the problems are plainly obvious to most people. It reminds me of the Dooley failure. I spent two years arguing with people about the plainly obvious issues on the field only to be countered by the "true fan" nonsense and every excuse in the book. Sometimes, it's just not that complicated.

Holly admitted to everything we are saying in her post game interview besides why the hell she playing Ariel and Burdick extended minutes, Ariel played 40 minutes, as if she was ballin. Ugh All I see are minutes for Middleton, Nared, Dunbar, we are going to need those Freshman, especially in the Sec.

 

[Orange Maniac]

Once again our bell cow for the season sat the whole game except for 5 minutes. When Nia was in the game they would pull her out to high post to feed Graves for a layup. We all know how good Graves is with layups. It's always shot into the bottom or side of the rim. This whole concept is backwards. Graves should have been feeding Nia. She has proved she can score. Carter waited until the game was almost over to drive the ball. Where was that early on. Nobody would drive and dish last night. If Dunbar is a great shooter, why not try her? It couldn't be worse than what we saw. I would go back to the lineup we began the year with and make the others earn their time off the bench. Holly needs to back up and re-evaluate what she is doing because it's not working.

 

[gladiator06]

"We're" not firing anyone.

I think the program would be worse-off with Mitchell and about the same with Staley. Holly has outcoached Staley twice in the past two years.

"Outcoached" - really??? Let's test this: Lady Vols 2011 recruiting class (#3 Burdick, #4 Massengale, #24 Harrison), 2012 recruiting class (#5 Graves, #21 Carter, #39 Jones), 2013 class (#1 Russell, #8 Tucker, #42 Reynolds), 2014 (#6 Nared, #28 Middleton, #78 Dunbar).

Gamecocks - 2011 (#88 Welch), 2012 (#40 Sessions, #46 Mitchell, #89 Dozier), 2013 (#28 Coates, who thoroughly outplayed #1 Russell last year), 2014 (#1 Wilson, #7 White). Add a few kids not ranked in the top 100 and that's about it.

With the talent the Lady Vols have, not including the freshmen, you would expect them to win. A good coach is able to take an arguably average squad and build them into a championship contender. That's not to say that SC will win a championship, but you have to admit they play more inspired basketball. Additionally, Staley hasn't been mentored half her life by a Hall of Fame coach like CPS.

I was surprised at how calm Holly was last night as Texas was able to make multiple uncontested layups. CPS would have either broke a heel or stomped a hole in the floor, and promptly put someone on the bench. Holly just folds her arms and looks at the floor perplexed. Holly has zero confidence in her bench as well as her coaching. Why didn't Middleton and Moore get in the game more last night? They couldn't have played any worse than Burdick and Massengale. You can't win a game with 3 assists. Holly has the personnel to win, but doesn't know how to inspire them. She also doesn't know what personnel she needs on the floor at any given time. For some reason she believes if she continues doing the same thing over and over she'll get different results. Why Burdick continues getting 25 minutes per game without delivering much, is beyond me - same for Massengale.

Have the Lady Vols won against a top 10 team since Holly took over?

I know everyone is waiting for Diamond next year and she will be very good as she was last year. Tucker will be very good as well, but don't expect a championship when they finally arrive. Championship days for the Lady Vols are all over, until a coach arrives who knows how to tap into the talent these kids have. When was the last time we saw the evolution of any individual lady vols game???? Can't remember? I know, neither can I. Who's gotten noticeably better??? Maybe Izzy...we were thinking Moore, but obviously Holly doesn't think so.

 

[romomentum]

I have Directv (Possibly the only TV provider that doesn't have an agreement with ESPN) so this was the first LadyVols game I've seen this year. It looked to me like all of their games against Baylor/Griner after the first one. They were over-matched, they knew it going in, they got the yips, and looked kind of lost at times. Then there was a period in which Texas could have thrown the ball into the crowd and it would have bounced off of someone's head back into the net. After that, the Lady Vols just couldn't catch up. You can't teach height, and they needed some of that badly. They'll be a better team when Harrison gets back.

 

[dillyo51]

Pokey, are you frigging crazy?

 

[dillyo51]

Nia Moore put up big numbers in scoring and rebounding against weak competition. What she is doing now , is what you can expect against stout well-coached teams.
Ariel Massengill was hand-picked by CPS as the point guard of the future while in high school.


P.S. English is "turrible" in this thread.

 

[Amb3096]

Nia Moore put up big numbers in scoring and rebounding against weak competition. What she is doing now , is what you can expect against stout well-coached teams.
Ariel Massengill was hand-picked by CPS as the point guard of the future while in high school.


P.S. English is "turrible" in this thread.

Nia Moore was never meant to be a difference maker. The fact that she put up big numbers even against mediocre teams is a bonus, not a confirmation. Hell, Burdick can't even do that.

Massengale...well, I don't know. I still believe that she's the 2nd most important player on the team, because she's the only one with the offensive skills to free up Izzy and Graves inside. If Holly can get the freshmen worked into the perimeter rotation and sit Burdick's useless self down, then I think that they'll look better than they have to date, and that will give Holly more options at the guard spot. But truthfully, I think Burdick's minutes will go up, not down, as the season progresses no matter what the game results are.

 

[Volfan2012]

I hate to hear a Holly interview because it is the same thing fans heard last year and the year before. Players are not playing defense and are not rebounding. She should know who these players are and they must be targeted and either change their attitude or find themselves on the end of the pine bench. Holly can't keep using these same talking points she has to act and get five players out there that will do what she wants. If she can't find five then it is time to start over and revoke some scholarships and get some players in here that want to play the right way and win. Put up or shut up should be where we are can't keep saying they refuse they have to or leave the team.

 

[Benionsopinion]

I hate to hear a Holly interview because it is the same thing fans heard last year and the year before. Players are not playing defense and are not rebounding. She should know who these players are and they must be targeted and either change their attitude or find themselves on the end of the pine bench. Holly can't keep using these same talking points she has to act and get five players out there that will do what she wants. If she can't find five then it is time to start over and revoke some scholarships and get some players in here that want to play the right way and win. Put up or shut up should be where we are can't keep saying they refuse they have to or leave the team.

Well said, Volfan. One could run a tape of Holly after games from two years ago and hear the same things. Demand excellence,Holly, or sit them at the end of the bench. Now.I'll sit back and wait on Holly's defense team to go into damage control.

 

[Volfan2012]

Well said, Volfan. One could run a tape of Holly after games from two years ago and hear the same things. Demand excellence,Holly, or sit them at the end of the bench. Now.I'll sit back and wait on Holly's defense team to go into damage control.

Yep seen this movie before and even know what is coming next. They will destroy the next couple of opponents and Holly will proclaim that they really got to work and got things right. Then it will all blow up again when we face another top ten team.

 

[btate]

Oh for God's sake. I did not make the claim that the team would win tonight by 10-15 points. Twist it however you choose, but that was not my claim, and you only make yourself look foolish by attempting to attribute it to me. I absolutely agreed -- and still agree -- with the poster's overall sentiment. I made no claims about the team's likelihood of winning or the point spread; in fact, if you peruse some of my other comments prior to tonight's game, you will find that I said it would be difficult to win without Harrison. And I was right.



I've never claimed that no amount of blame should be placed on the coach, but according to you, practically everything is the coach's fault. It takes an entire team to win a game, and it takes an entire team to lose a game. Holly didn't miss free throws tonight. Holly didn't miss shots. Holly couldn't do anything about Harrison's inability to play.



If we are talking about tending to win, Holly's got a winning record. A strong winning record, and an excellent record for a third year head coach. Nearly every top team has already lost one game this season. Apparently there's a lot of poor coaching and ill-preparation going around.

I think Holly will get it together. She just has a slow mind but after she has time, she will get it together

 

[Batman33]

Yep seen this movie before and even know what is coming next. They will destroy the next couple of opponents and Holly will proclaim that they really got to work and got things right. Then it will all blow up again when we face another top ten team.

yes.

 

[mgnelson88]

Carter doesn't have a pretty shot. But, this game she played to her strength which is driving the ball.

Has a great shot...don't judge off 1 game. Draya has a nice midrange game and has looked really good attacking the rim recently.

 

[Amb3096]

Has a great shot...don't judge off 1 game. Draya has a nice midrange game and has looked really good attacking the rim recently.

35% FG% (3rd lowest, just ahead of Jordan and Cierra) so far for the year. Her jumpshot is not consistent.

Tennessee lacks reliable shooters. Massengale has the best numbers from outside the paint, but outside of her, the perimeter players have been woefully inadequate. Ariel's had back to back clunkers, but she's still better than anyone else on the team beyond 10 feet.

 

[mgnelson88]

True but I think a lot of is forced and it's not her fault. CHW's half court offense is atrocious so I think Carter is having to create a lot for herself due to the fact no one else can. Not players fault, goes back to the offense being static and lackluster scheme wise.

 

[roddo518]

This display of basketball is getting harder to watch. I guess we will have to fall further to get the changes needed. I fear the game for our girls vs Rutgers. They will bust you in the mouth, if you don't fight back they will runover you. That would be my game plan, play rough and tumble early and wait for the cave in.

 

[Pat4life]

Tenn lack reliable defenders and rebounders.