Game Thread: UT Martin v Lady Vols, Thurs Nov 7th; Home-FCC; 6:30PM; SEC+ network...UT wins 90-50

I am crazy about this woman's no-nonsense, quick, intelligent responses. There is nothing about Caldwell that isn't impressive. Love her!
Totally agree! Her assessments are just so matter of fact, I like it.

Her answer about tired legs impacting shooting % after only 1 day off was interesting. She did not think conditioning had anything to do with it but rather the team had a bad practice & shoot around that flowed into the game. She appears to have her thumb on the pulse of all aspects of what it takes to win and I can't wait to see how this year plays out. Go LVs!
 
Our defense has to improve and our communication. We foul way too much, we look at trying to steal way too much instead of sitting and containing/ moving our feet. We don’t rotate and close out with a sense of urgency. Too much standing up after we are off the ball. And our on ball defense we get beat off the bounce. Just watch UConn for the first 10 mins. We want to reach our full potential then the girls need to clean this up.


Unfortunately the video is one of those miserable, now ubiquitous, "only offense" edits, showing only enough defense to show the turnover that led to points. (Why do people do this??? Basketball has the most continuously interesting defensive action of any sport!)

But I'll take your word for it. Even on offense, you can see how quickly and smoothly they are moving compared to our girls right now.

At the start of the Samford game (before we were tired) we looked like we were wearing 5lb. ankle weights on defense. If anyone thinks that's hyperbole or nega-spin, replay the first few defensive sets, watching the ball defenders' feet in response to the dribbler.
 
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Totally agree! Her assessments are just so matter of fact, I like it.

Her answer about tired legs impacting shooting % after only 1 day off was interesting. She did not think conditioning had anything to do with it but rather the team had a bad practice & shoot around that flowed into the game. She appears to have her thumb on the pulse of all aspects of what it takes to win and I can't wait to see how this year plays out. Go LVs!
I thought her response was even more subtle than that. She didn't really deny their tiredness, she just reframed it as "how you practice is how you're gonna play."

I took that as a message to her players that, "even if you are tired, if you approach practice thinking to save energy for the next game, you're just gonna play lousy during the game. Your level of focus cannot become a reflection of your level of energy."
 
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I am so proud to be a rabid fan of this year's team. There really is no telling how much better this already exciting group of energetic, athletic women can get as time goes on and as experience playing together increases. Even though they obviously do,
and at this point SHOULD, have much to work on, I am stunned they can look as good as they do sometimes this early. It's a work in progress, but they have a GREAT baseline IMO.
I'm really looking forward to playing their 1st top level good team so we can really see how this is going to work. They definitely have things to clean up but from her comments this game gave her a lot of film to point the bad things out to them next practice.

Good coaches and good teams learn from being exposed in a game and not repeat it.
 
Unfortunately the video is one of those miserable, now ubiquitous, "only offense" edits, showing only enough defense to show the turnover that led to points. (Why do people do this??? Basketball has the most continuously interesting defensive action of any sport!)

But I'll take your word for it. Even on offense, you can see how quickly and smoothly they are moving compared to our girls right now.

At the start of the Samford game (before we were tired) we looked like we were wearing 5lb. ankle weights on defense. If anyone thinks that's hyperbole or nega-spin, replay the first few defensive sets, watching the ball defenders' feet in response to the dribbler.

You’re trying too hard. Tennessee players are in no way a step or nothing behind UCONN.

Offensively they are getting in a rhythm while still averaging 95.5 pts ppg.

Tennessee defensively even during their droughts and mistakes due to fundamentals/lack of discipline and relying at times too much on athleticism are playing winning defense.

When it clicks they will be one of the best defensive WBB teams in the country.

Talking about a clip where a team that routinely plays their top players and reserves for majority of the game compared to a coach with a philosophy to teach and allow her players to learn through their mistakes by playing 11-13 players in a single quarter is just not making sense.

Tennessee has had quarters where they did exactly what you are praising UCONN for.

Do you remember the 18-0 run against Samford?

If Coach Caldwell cared about trying to get people to gloat about beating lesser opponents she could’ve beaten these teams by 60 instead of 40 and 48 points simply by extending the minutes of her best 8-9 athletes.

I just don’t see the point in acting like Tennessee who is dominating their opponents that are on the same level as these teams like UCONN plays gets nitpicked for every single possession, while acting like UCONN is doing something spectacular.
 
I love Coach answers. She sees her teams issues in half court D and O and they will continue to work at these but one thing is for sure this team all out hustle and effort is amazing. This style does overwhelm and break weak minded players. So much to get better at exciting to see we're this team future holds. In CHRIST Alone
 
I like what CKC has cooking, just need to shoot a higher percentage. Imagine if they shot 40% in game with the high volume of shots the heave up.

The rebounding was better but the defense does need to tighten up and please stop fouling so much.

I will have the totally picture by the end of OOC season ends. I will predict a 11-2 record going into conference season though.

I believe they lose to either FSU or Iowa and may have a slip up come next game vs MTSU. IMO, but I've been wrong before.

Future looks bright in Knoxville for the Lady Vols.
 
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I like what CKC has cooking, just need to shoot a higher percentage. Imagine if the shot 40% in game with the high volume of shots the heave up.

The rebounding was better but the defense does need to tighten up and please stop fouling so much.

I will have the totally pitcher by the end of OOC season ends. I will predict a 11-2 record going into conference season though.

I believe they lose to either FSU or Iowa and may have a slip up come next game vs MTSU. IMO, but I've been wrong before.

Future looks bright in Knoxville for the Lady Vols.
Team playing with energy & much better bail security.
 
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I like what CKC has cooking, just need to shoot a higher percentage. Imagine if the shot 40% in game with the high volume of shots the heave up.

The rebounding was better but the defense does need to tighten up and please stop fouling so much.

I will have the totally pitcher by the end of OOC season ends. I will predict a 11-2 record going into conference season though.

I believe they lose to either FSU or Iowa and may have a slip up come next game vs MTSU. IMO, but I've been wrong before.

Future looks bright in Knoxville for the Lady Vols.

As for the fouling, in my mind it is better they experiment NOW with just how much physicality they can get away with. Let them take chances, poke their hands in, try to tie it up, etc., NOW while the competition allows them to and still end up with an easy win.

I feel like they are learning how far they can and can't go as they swarm on defense, and that's good. I suspect as they move from game to game and the competition gradually gets better, that they'll begin to reel it in a little as far as the fouling is concerned -- because they likely won't always have a 30-40-point cushion to play with.

I'm not worried about it at all. They are obviously having conversations about it with the staff, so that'll be something that won't be a season-long issue. The players are like toddlers right now. It's all kinda new and exciting and they are testing their limits. They'll be okay!
 
Another good win. Looking at the schedule this year is very different than last year so we may not really know how this team will end up until we get into the SEC grind in January.
True. But for an early-early test, I like the upcoming game against MTSU. Insell always has his players well prepared, and our players well scouted, so he'll exploit our weaknesses -- which will help Kim very much going foreard.

MTSU is usually capable of lighting it up from three, and we need to work on that part of our game so it's good we'll get that opportunity.

The Blue Raiders play tonight, so I hope to get a preview of what we'll see on Tuesday.
 
You’re trying too hard. Tennessee players are in no way a step or nothing behind UCONN.

Offensively they are getting in a rhythm while still averaging 95.5 pts ppg.

Tennessee defensively even during their droughts and mistakes due to fundamentals/lack of discipline and relying at times too much on athleticism are playing winning defense.

When it clicks they will be one of the best defensive WBB teams in the country.

Talking about a clip where a team that routinely plays their top players and reserves for majority of the game compared to a coach with a philosophy to teach and allow her players to learn through their mistakes by playing 11-13 players in a single quarter is just not making sense.

Tennessee has had quarters where they did exactly what you are praising UCONN for.

Do you remember the 18-0 run against Samford?

If Coach Caldwell cared about trying to get people to gloat about beating lesser opponents she could’ve beaten these teams by 60 instead of 40 and 48 points simply by extending the minutes of her best 8-9 athletes.

I just don’t see the point in acting like Tennessee who is dominating their opponents that are on the same level as these teams like UCONN plays gets nitpicked for every single possession, while acting like UCONN is doing something spectacular.
I had just viewed some of the Samford game when I clicked on the UConn link.

No analysis--just an immediate, visual impression.
No slam--just an observation.
No implied ceiling on what our team can become over the course of the season--just a "right now."

And no "trying" at all. I'm all-in and excited about this season. I just don't intend to ruin my enjoyment by weighing it down with expectations.
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In our exuberance, I think we can unintentionally diminish the players' growth and accomplishments over the course of the season by whitewashing the deficiencies with which they started the season.
This is their story; they're doing all the work. At the conclusion of the season, they deserve our applause and admiration for however far they've traveled and grown.
 
Everything went well last night except to much fouling and inability to hit open shots. Puckett and Darby can't go 2 for 15 with the shots they were getting. I don't believe they will, but we can move Spencer to a shooter position and Whitehorn and let them take more of the threes if this continues. Middle will be a bigger test hopefully the shooting will be better.

Looks like Wells is the odd player out hate it for her guess after the injury and sitting out she couldn't do enough to get in the rotation.
 
The staff is getting a good idea of who should play together so that a "line change" doesn't catch us too slow on defense or too little scoring punch. That's a delicate balance, got to have just the right mix on the floor at all times. The MTSU game should be a great challenge.
 
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I think I've listened to all of CKC's interviews, whether on video or radio, and I've come to the conclusion that she would prefer this team lose a game as soon as possible, to convince them to focus on learning and fixing what the coaches know remains in order to compete at a high level.

As fans, another loss to MTSU would be tough to swallow. But it might be a necessity for these players to get themselves ready to take on conference play. Better for that to happen now so that they'd have time to internalize their improvements and test them against FSU and Iowa.

The later we get into December, the more mental distractions the players will be carrying, with end-of-semester demands and figuring out holiday plans. Now is the better time to make that kind of progress in practice.

I've wondered if, for the players, already being in the best basketball shape of their lives has created a false confidence that the rest of their game has also been elevated to that level?

As CKC has described the players' reactions to errors and fouls that the coaches point out, I also wonder if there isn't also some of their generation's immersion in self-esteem theory (not their fault--they were born into it) generating an immunity to criticism? I hear that observation from educators all the time these days.

You don't have to go to the extremes of "safe places" and "trigger avoidance" to have been effected by those expectations. It's just in the air, same as rebellion against authority was in the air during my youth.
 
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I think I've listened to all of CKC's interviews, whether on video or radio, and I've come to the conclusion that she would prefer this team lose a game as soon as possible, to convince them to focus on learning and fixing what the coaches know remains in order to compete at a high level.

As fans, another loss to MTSU would be tough to swallow. But it might be a necessity for these players to get themselves ready to take on conference play. Better for that to happen now so that they'd have time to internalize their improvements and test them against FSU and Iowa.

The later we get into December, the more mental distractions the players will be carrying, with end-of-semester demands and figuring out holiday plans. Now is the better time to make that kind of progress in practice.

I've wondered if, for the players, already being in the best basketball shape of their lives has created a false confidence that the rest of their game has also been elevated to that level?

As CKC has described the players' reactions to errors and fouls that the coaches point out, I also wonder if there isn't also some of their generation's immersion in self-esteem theory (not their fault--they were born into it) generating an immunity to criticism? I hear that observation from educators all the time these days.

You don't have to go to the extremes of "safe places" and "trigger avoidance" to have been effected by those expectations. It's just in the air, same as rebellion against authority was in the air during my youth.
Ah yes, the "good loss" theory. Kellie had a great record of "good losses." I take the Al Davis approach, "just win baby."

Good coaches can get players with the program while still winning. I have never heard Geno or CPS for that matter, say "we need a loss so we can get better."

I am sure CKC can teach improvement while winning.
 
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Totally agree! Her assessments are just so matter of fact, I like it.

Her answer about tired legs impacting shooting % after only 1 day off was interesting. She did not think conditioning had anything to do with it but rather the team had a bad practice & shoot around that flowed into the game. She appears to have her thumb on the pulse of all aspects of what it takes to win and I can't wait to see how this year plays out. Go LVs!
I like Kim as a coach. After watching this team for three games, except for one or two players, they seem more physical. I like the harassing defense. I am concerned about coverage in the paint, their back door seems to be open a lot. They also seem to leave the three open on several occasions. I am also trying to get used to the multiple subbing patterns. I will be interested to see how it works against better players and better coached teams. I am just used to coaching and watching teams with one or two Alpha Girls, who play most the time and are the team’s identified leaders, especially at the point. I am not knocking Kim’s coaching style because she has been successful at the lower level so it is quite possible she will be successful at this level.
 
I generally agree with Goltteacher's response. Personally, the players are far from integrating either the offense, the mid-court defense or the matching up in half-court defense. The roster has some good to good plus players, but not a team (yet). IMO after watching ARkansas and Missouri for years , hitting less than 30% of threes resulted in major losses against quality SEC opponents. I am pleased they are playing a soft pre-league schedule, as they work to become a team that can substitute x 5 and immediately play SEC level defense.
 
Everything went well last night except to much fouling and inability to hit open shots. Puckett and Darby can't go 2 for 15 with the shots they were getting. I don't believe they will, but we can move Spencer to a shooter position and Whitehorn and let them take more of the threes if this continues. Middle will be a bigger test hopefully the shooting will be better.

Looks like Wells is the odd player out hate it for her guess after the injury and sitting out she couldn't do enough to get in the rotation.
She is out of shape and is a step or two too slow rn.. she is a liability as a defender on and off the ball rn.
 
I like Kim as a coach. After watching this team for three games, except for one or two players, they seem more physical. I like the harassing defense. I am concerned about coverage in the paint, their back door seems to be open a lot. They also seem to leave the three open on several occasions. I am also trying to get used to the multiple subbing patterns. I will be interested to see how it works against better players and better coached teams. I am just used to coaching and watching teams with one or two Alpha Girls, who play most the time and are the team’s identified leaders, especially at the point. I am not knocking Kim’s coaching style because she has been successful at the lower level so it is quite possible she will be successful at this level.
Look at UCONN and South Carolina.. everyone is playing.. our girls are still putting up #'s with little minutes. They are not wasting minutes just to waste minutes.
 
Her answer about tired legs impacting shooting % after only 1 day off was interesting. She did not think conditioning had anything to do with it but rather the team had a bad practice & shoot around that flowed into the game
So glad she said that bc as I've said if legs are tired now we're in deep trouble. And I'm not buying the cockamamie idea that they just need to build up "game legs". I've watched enough seasons to know that tired legs happen in February and are often running on fumes in March. Nothing to do w the current poor shooting.
IMO after watching ARkansas and Missouri for years , hitting less than 30% of threes resulted in major losses against quality SEC opponents
100%. As rebounding and shot margin inevitably shrinks, someone has to be a consistent 3 shooter, meaning shoot 35% all/most of the time, not 65% one night and 20 the next. I think that's probably Jewel, possibly Sara tho that's not going well (just 1-12 so far!).

Spencer, otoh, has started 4-7 fm 3 and tho a small sample, that's very encouraging. So far, for me, there's everything to like about Spencer's start.

This is why I felt not getting Nye in the portal was a big loss.
 
Tennessee has started 7 different players in 2 games, is building a strong 8-9 player rotation that has been extended to 12 players, averaging 95.5 pts ppg and has played dominating defense.
A LVFL Niya Butts former SEC Defensive Player of the Year and Two-Time National Champion gave a note worthy analysis of this new LV era under Coach Caldwell.
Until I see anything different, what she said is a stamp of approval.
Coach Caldwell, Coach Lazo, and Coach Tubner signed the best transfer portal class in the SEC and it’s not even close.
 

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