Game Thread: UT Martin v Lady Vols, Thurs Nov 7th; Home-FCC; 6:30PM; SEC+ network...UT wins 90-50

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Rooster1 said:
If and WHEN they run into a team(s) that is adept at breaking the press early I think plan B for this coach is to keep rotating fresh legs all game until the press is working and she finally wears the other team down. That seems like her mindset and she believes her teams can do this. She knows there are four quarters. It’s a battle of wills, she believes her teams have the stronger will for 4 quarters, she won’t drop the full court press imo in many games if any. I admire her belief and dedication in her team’s identity. Losses will be lessons in how to be better at their identity, not how to abandon it.

So her plan B will always be to get better at her plan A until they don’t need a plan B. I dig it actually. But to your point, for sure she is coaching up half court defense also as it is a big part of every game against good teams. Btw, Spearman showing signs of a dominant big. Coop, Whitehorn, Spear and Spence all look incredible early also. Ruby has her sights set very high for this season.

if you haven’t noticed…..I’m a huge believer in what Caldwell is building and her style of ball. It’s exciting and WBB is better for it, not the same old sh*t everyone else is trying to do. I like cutting edge stuff myself, root for it.
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I am on record for several seasons complaining that Kellie was stuck in a 90s style offense. I proclaimed she needed to become more perimeter oriented, with more 3 shooting to spread the floor and play at faster tempo (which means different kinds of players).

CKC has done that overnight.

A good team also has to have aggressive and effective press in their defensive repertoire and CKC is moving in that direction rapidly, So, two big thumbs up and all smiles from me.

The only fly in the ointment (potentially) is that this team, to this early point, looks like it is build to play only one way. And predictability = vulnerability. The phrase that is always attached to great teams is that "they can beat you multiple ways."

Your counterpoint is that the LVs are going to become so proficient and so overwhelming in this style of play that it will not matter how much a team prepares, how much talent they bring to the floor, and how much of an advantage they might have in the post.

The LVs will high press and outpace any opposition into oblivion.

I presume you anticipate that the LVs will absolutely steamroll, a shell shocked SC, all in route to a national title this season. I hope you are right and I will be happy to have my blasphemous concerns laughed at in hindsight as banner # 9 is raised to the rafters.

I would love that outcome!!!
 
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madtownvol said:
I am on record for several seasons complaining that Kellie was stuck in a 90s style offense. I proclaimed she needed to become more perimeter oriented, with more 3 shooting to spread the floor and play at faster tempo (which means different kinds of players).

CKC has done that overnight.

A good team also has to have aggressive and effective press in their defensive repertoire and CKC is moving in that direction rapidly, So, two big thumbs up and all smiles from me.

The only fly in the ointment (potentially) is that this team, to this early point, looks like it is build to play only one way. And predictability = vulnerability. The phrase that is always attached to great teams is that "they can beat you multiple ways."

Your counterpoint is that the LVs are going to become so proficient and so overwhelming in this style of play that it will not matter how much a team prepares, how much talent they bring to the floor, and how much of an advantage they might have in the post.

The LVs will high press and outpace any opposition into oblivion.

I presume you anticipate that the LVs will absolutely steamroll, a shell shocked SC, all in route to a national title this season. I hope you are right and I will be happy to have my blasphemous concerns laughed at in hindsight as banner # 9 is raised to the rafters.

I would love that outcome!!!
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Mad, thanks for the response and thoughts, all good to read. I do anticipate this style of ball will overwhelm many/most teams, and when the LV’s play great teams I think it will still work as long as they are not off totally with the 3 pt shot which will happen occasionally. But I stand by my thought that nobody will look fwd to playing this team, and that’s a great start in year one. I think by Feb-Mar they will be hell to face tbh. Anything can happen that time of season, and this version of the LV’s are headed to the dance no doubt. They are going to drop some big trees this year.

I get it Mad, from a LV fan’s perspective after the past 12-15 years. You want to be excited but you find yourself being cautious. I’m just saying from an outsider’s view, it looks real already. It might not be all smooth sailing in year one, but it might be close enough to make everyone a believer, which is what I think happens. Caldwell is going to stamp her mark this year on D1.

Right now, with the OOC schedule this year, I’m predicting they only lose 5-6 games. I could be wrong, and they might even be better than that. Let’s watch and see. Enjoy the season, I’m happy for the LV fans they have such an exciting team to watch this year, I won’t miss a game.
 
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007Racer said:
A replay of the game. I don't have SEC+
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Do you have access to the SEC Network through your provider?
The reason I ask is, if you have SEC Network, you have access to SECN+. On your computer you can go to espn.com in your browser, click on "Watch" in the upper right of the screen. You will be prompted to sign in through your provider. If you are using a streaming device, such as Roku, Fire TV, etc., you will need to have the ESPN app. If you have not previously signed in through your provider, you will be prompted to do so when you try to open a particular game/show. Once you have signed in, you can then watch SECN+ and many of the other streaming only programs. For example, I have Youtube TV as my streaming provider, when signed into ESPN through YouTube TV, I have access to the SEC Network, ACC Network, SECN+, and ACCNX, as well as all of the other ESPN channels that stream on YouTube TV.

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madtownvol said:
I am on record for several seasons complaining that Kellie was stuck in a 90s style offense. I proclaimed she needed to become more perimeter oriented, with more 3 shooting to spread the floor and play at faster tempo (which means different kinds of players).

CKC has done that overnight.

A good team also has to have aggressive and effective press in their defensive repertoire and CKC is moving in that direction rapidly, So, two big thumbs up and all smiles from me.

The only fly in the ointment (potentially) is that this team, to this early point, looks like it is build to play only one way. And predictability = vulnerability. The phrase that is always attached to great teams is that "they can beat you multiple ways."

Your counterpoint is that the LVs are going to become so proficient and so overwhelming in this style of play that it will not matter how much a team prepares, how much talent they bring to the floor, and how much of an advantage they might have in the post.

The LVs will high press and outpace any opposition into oblivion.

I presume you anticipate that the LVs will absolutely steamroll, a shell shocked SC, all in route to a national title this season. I hope you are right and I will be happy to have my blasphemous concerns laughed at in hindsight as banner # 9 is raised to the rafters.

I would love that outcome!!!
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Yes, and a ton of current D1 coaches are stuck in 1990s as well.
 
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Mafiaboss said:
Yes, and a ton of current D1 coaches are stuck in 1990s as well.
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I don’t agree we’re going to steamroll many if any teams unless they are the level of the first teams on our schedule this season. However, it’s all about matchups. Look at Florida State. Ranked. People were (are) saying we are the underdog in our game with them. Take another look based on FS’s performance last week vs. ours. We should be ranked above FSU, and we’ll win that game.
 
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Mafiaboss said:
Yes, and a ton of current D1 coaches are stuck in 1990s as well.
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And some of them are still winning a lot of games.

Unlike football, basketball requires coaching adjustments at the right time when something isn't working.

Looking forward to seeing how this offense plays out when we start to play teams with the same and more talent with the top tier coaches. I'm hoping for the best, but other coaches who have tried this have had moderate, not great, success when they take on the top tier coaches.

It is probably a good thing that the early part of the schedule this year is not as loaded as it was the past few years.
 
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volfan102455 said:
And some of them are still winning a lot of games.

Unlike football, basketball requires coaching adjustments at the right time when something isn't working.

Looking forward to seeing how this offense plays out when we start to play teams with the same and more talent with the top tier coaches. I'm hoping for the best, but other coaches who have tried this have had moderate, not great, success when they take on the top tier coaches.

It is probably a good thing that the early part of the schedule this year is not as loaded as it was the past few years.
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Yeah, but Kim has spoken about her ability to adjust.
 
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Mafiaboss said:
Yeah, but Kim has spoken about her ability to adjust.
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Understood but this is the SEC. There is absolutely no history of how well she can or can't do at this level.

I get the excitement because she is beating teams the way the Lady Vols should beat those teams - but we need to keep in mind what teams we are playing against right now.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Understood but this is the SEC. There is absolutely no history of how well she can or can't do at this level.

I get the excitement because she is beating teams the way the Lady Vols should beat those teams - but we need to keep in mind what teams we are playing against right now.
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I get it. I think we’ll be competitive all season.
 
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KnoxLikeUs said:
You’re trying too hard. Tennessee players are in no way a step or nothing behind UCONN.

Offensively they are getting in a rhythm while still averaging 95.5 pts ppg.

Tennessee defensively even during their droughts and mistakes due to fundamentals/lack of discipline and relying at times too much on athleticism are playing winning defense.

When it clicks they will be one of the best defensive WBB teams in the country.

Talking about a clip where a team that routinely plays their top players and reserves for majority of the game compared to a coach with a philosophy to teach and allow her players to learn through their mistakes by playing 11-13 players in a single quarter is just not making sense.

Tennessee has had quarters where they did exactly what you are praising UCONN for.

Do you remember the 18-0 run against Samford?

If Coach Caldwell cared about trying to get people to gloat about beating lesser opponents she could’ve beaten these teams by 60 instead of 40 and 48 points simply by extending the minutes of her best 8-9 athletes.

I just don’t see the point in acting like Tennessee who is dominating their opponents that are on the same level as these teams like UCONN plays gets nitpicked for every single possession, while acting like UCONN is doing something spectacular.
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YOU BETTER PREACH..... the only thing that drives me crazy is the amount of fouling that goes on which in time will get better...also there should be no time EVER that hollingshed,strickland,darby,puckett should be in the game at the same time due to lack of athleticism they should always be surrounded with 4 other athletes to many times i see 2 of them in the game at the same time n that shouldnt happen
 
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Rons1989 said:
YOU BETTER PREACH..... the only thing that drives me crazy is the amount of fouling that goes on which in time will get better...also there should be no time EVER that hollingshed,strickland,darby,puckett should be in the game at the same time due to lack of athleticism they should always be surrounded with 4 other athletes to many times i see 2 of them in the game at the same time n that shouldnt happen
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Damn Ron! That’s some serious Kellie roster butt hurt! 🤣🤣🤣🤙🏼
 
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Rons1989 said:
YOU BETTER PREACH..... the only thing that drives me crazy is the amount of fouling that goes on which in time will get better...also there should be no time EVER that hollingshed,strickland,darby,puckett should be in the game at the same time due to lack of athleticism they should always be surrounded with 4 other athletes to many times i see 2 of them in the game at the same time n that shouldnt happen
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Facts. So far we haven’t seen much of that. It’s generally been 4 very athletic players and one 3 point shooter.

Couple times we’ve had two of them out there together but I don’t expect to see that at all against better competition. That’s something that killed us all the time last season. Just when we would get on a run we would stick in two poor defenders and let teams right back in it.

Darby and company aren’t poor defenders for lack of effort. They just truly don’t have the lateral quickness and foot speed to do it properly.
 
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Rons1989 said:
YOU BETTER PREACH..... the only thing that drives me crazy is the amount of fouling that goes on which in time will get better...also there should be no time EVER that hollingshed,strickland,darby,puckett should be in the game at the same time due to lack of athleticism they should always be surrounded with 4 other athletes to many times i see 2 of them in the game at the same time n that shouldnt happen
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I think Kim is using these early games to find what works best. It will adjust as players make progress or don’t.
 
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