Game Winning Drive. Who's your QB...1998-2012????

[orangesox]

Name the games in which Clausen couldn't rally us back in a tight game in the 4th quarter.

Sorry, but Ainge is nowhere near being equal overall to Clausen either.

There was a game at Auburn in which we fell way behind early, and couldn't come back and get it done. But that's about the only one I remember.

 

[Titans4Vols]

Name the games in which Clausen couldn't rally us back in a tight game in the 4th quarter.

Sorry, but Ainge is nowhere near being equal overall to Clausen either.

01 LSU SEC title game, 03 Auburn, 03 Clemson.

You're either severely overrating Clausen or severely underrating Ainge one. Clausen may have been slightly better than Ainge, but it's not by a drastic margin.

 

[GahLee]

01 LSU SEC title game, 03 Auburn, 03 Clemson.

You're either severely overrating Clausen or severely underrating Ainge one. Clausen may have been slightly better than Ainge, but it's not by a drastic margin.

14-1 on the road. That's a tough number for Ainge to beat.

 

[114VOL]

Watch the 02 peach bowl, the 03 Georgia game, the 02 Bama game, as a couple examples.

Again, neither Clausen nor Ainge were perfect by any means.

Clemson wasn't close in the 4th quarter. Georgia had us blown out by the end of the third quarter. Bama also had us blown out at the end of the third quarter.

The question is concerning a 4th quarter pressure situation.

I am still astonished you are mentioning Ainge in the same breath with Clausen. At least provide some real evidence to support your claim

 

[Titans4Vols]

14-1 on the road. That's a tough number for Ainge to beat.

That's indeed impressive. Win-loss is not decided by the QB alone, though. And judging based purely off of how well each of them played, Clausen is not that much better than Ainge.

 

[Rumble4skin]

Medicated Ainge IMO

 

[Titans4Vols]

Clemson wasn't close in the 4th quarter. Georgia had us blown out by the end of the third quarter. Bama also had us blown out at the end of the third quarter.

The question is concerning a 4th quarter pressure situation.

I am still astonished you are mentioning Ainge in the same breath with Clausen. At least provide some real evidence to support your claim

Clemson was a 2 score game in the 4th. How is that "not close"?

I was simply listing games that Clausen faltered in. I listed the 3 games off the top of my head that he failed in the 4th quarter in as well.

Their statistics are pretty similar, their overall performances are pretty similar, and Clausen was slightly better in the clutch. He had his moments where he faltered in the clutch like Ainge, though, but had more moments where he shined.

It's really not as big of a gap as you're making it out to be.

 

[GahLee]

Medicated Ainge IMO

Which was pretty much his entire UT career.

 

[114VOL]

01 LSU SEC title game, 03 Auburn, 03 Clemson.

You're either severely overrating Clausen or severely underrating Ainge one. Clausen may have been slightly better than Ainge, but it's not by a drastic margin.

01 LSU...Clausen hit Donte Stallworth with a perfect pass down the seam in the 4th quarter when we were down 24-21. After catching and running about 10 more yards, Stallworth fumbled. LSU took it to the endzone to close out the game. Tell me how exactly, Clausen choked

03 Auburn....they had huge lead going into the 4th quarter and Clausen almost brought us back. Yeah, he threw an interception on a possible game winning drive, but it was more about the receiver turning the wrong direction. He certainly didn't choke as we were down three touchdowns with 10 minutes to go.

03 Clemson...They were in control of that game at the end of the third quarter.

You're going to have to pick it up!LOL

As to a subject not in the thread title you keep approaching, no, Clausen wasn't only slightly better overall. He was miles better.

 

[114VOL]

Clemson was a 2 score game in the 4th. How is that "not close"?

I was simply listing games that Clausen faltered in. I listed the 3 games off the top of my head that he failed in the 4th quarter in as well.

Their statistics are pretty similar, their overall performances are pretty similar, and Clausen was slightly better in the clutch. He had his moments where he faltered in the clutch like Ainge, though, but had more moments where he shined.

It's really not as big of a gap as you're making it out to be.

Statistics are meaningless without detail. You're continuing to embarrass yourself by saying Clausen was only slightly better in the clutch. Historical events have been cited that prove Clausen was much better in the clutch and you're ignoring them.

Beat Florida twice on the road(one of those by a 4th quarter drive)
Beat Miami on the road
Beat Notre Dame on the road with a 4th quarter comeback
Beat Alabama twice on the road with 4th quarter comebacks

Those events right there make the gap pretty wide.

 

[HottyToddyVol]

Another thread got me thinking about a hypothetical... if you could pick 1 QB to lead our Vols in a 2 minute final touchdown drive to win a game vs. Bama or whoever since Manning left, who would you choose?

Your choices...

Tee Martin
AJ Suggs
Casey Clausen
Erik Ainge
Rick Clausen
Jonathan Crompton
Matt Simms
Tyler Bray

I realized I left out Banks, Schaeffer, Matthews and Stephens, but who the hell would choose them?

To answer my own question... I'm going with the Iceman. Other than Suggs and Rick Clausen, Casey Clausen was the least talented physically of that group, but he was a winner.

Interested to read your responses.

Less than 2 weeks guys. We're getting there.

I don't think anyone would pick Suggs, Rick Clausen, or Simms either haha. lets just stick with QBs that have at least a full season as a starter under their belt. With that said im going with the Ice man :loco:

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

Clausen then Martin. IMO none of the other names even come close after that.

Agree here those are the only 2 on list that proved dependable excellence. If the opposing D greater strength is secondary give me Clausen, if their greater strength is pass rush give me Martin.

But to be honest I can think of situations I might prefer Martin and Clausen even with Peyton on the list. We really had no idea how good we had it for awhile.

 

[114VOL]

That's indeed impressive. Win-loss is not decided by the QB alone, though. And judging based purely off of how well each of them played, Clausen is not that much better than Ainge.

Everyone else is providing detailed support of their opinion. Why aren't you?

Read the thread title again too.

 

[114VOL]

Agree here those are the only 2 on list that proved dependable excellence. If the opposing D greater strength is secondary give me Clausen, if their greater strength is pass rush give me Martin.

But to be honest I can think of situations I might prefer Martin and Clausen even with Peyton on the list. We really had no idea how good we had it for awhile.[/QUOTE

Plenty of us know how good we had it. The NFL draft statistics reflect it, which is why many of us feel like we underachieved from the mid 80s to the early 2000s

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

I don't think anyone would pick Suggs, Rick Clausen, or Simms either haha. lets just stick with QBs that have at least a full season as a starter under their belt. With that said im going with the Ice man :loco:

I would pick Rick over several on that list. Hes probably third to his brother and Martin. We should have gone with him his last year, that was a huge mistake on so many levels and the moment I did start to question CPF.... I felt a lot that happened after that was karma for not giving Rick his due. He proved himself in the Cotten bowl and was good enough for a SEC championship. Ainge was NOT ready yet after injury and not only did going with him split and destroy team unity, it also hurt I think Ainge in the long run who needed more time to heal. Also Jimmy wanted to come to UT until Rick got shafted you know that third brother playing on Sundays. I really have felt this was the pivot point where Fulmer may have ended up causing himself his Job. Rick is number 3 on this list for me....no question. Ainge may have had more talent but he wasn't ripe yet after injury and Rick was mature and loved by team.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

Another thread got me thinking about a hypothetical... if you could pick 1 QB to lead our Vols in a 2 minute final touchdown drive to win a game vs. Bama or whoever since Manning left, who would you choose?

Your choices...

Tee Martin
AJ Suggs
Casey Clausen
Erik Ainge
Rick Clausen
Jonathan Crompton
Matt Simms
Tyler Bray

I realized I left out Banks, Schaeffer, Matthews and Stephens, but who the hell would choose them?

To answer my own question... I'm going with the Iceman. Other than Suggs and Rick Clausen, Casey Clausen was the least talented physically of that group, but he was a winner.

Interested to read your responses.

Less than 2 weeks guys. We're getting there.

Dan Marino.

 

[Volgrad98]

Nick Stephens

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

If anyone has even the slightest doubt of any name other then Casey Clausen....watch this game.

Tennessee - Michighan
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OECqy_X9bow[/youtube]

 

[BigOrangeCrush32]

Clausen and it's not even close...Stone cold winner

 

[HottyToddyVol]

I would pick Rick over several on that list. Hes probably third to his brother and Martin. We should have gone with him his last year, that was a huge mistake on so many levels and the moment I did start to question CPF.... I felt a lot that happened after that was karma for not giving Rick his due. He proved himself in the Cotten bowl and was good enough for a SEC championship. Ainge was NOT ready yet after injury and not only did going with him split and destroy team unity, it also hurt I think Ainge in the long run who needed more time to heal. Also Jimmy wanted to come to UT until Rick got shafted you know that third brother playing on Sundays. I really have felt this was the pivot point where Fulmer may have ended up causing himself his Job. Rick is number 3 on this list for me....no question. Ainge may have had more talent but he wasn't ripe yet after injury and Rick was mature and loved by team.

I completely disagree, there were good times with Rick at QB like the LSU game, but outside of that game he struggled as much as Ainge in 05. It shocks me that someone would pick Rick over Ainge and Bray. Ainge was great in 06 and 07 and Bray also played very well but we didn't win because of the record setting abomination of a defense we had. When you have Shuler, Manning and then title winner, Martin, in a row it is hard to like any subsequent QBs. People couldn't wait for Casey and Erik to leave when they were wearing the big orange, and now those same people want them back. Learn to appreciate the QBs you have and learn which QBs actually aren't good.

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

I completely disagree, there were good times with Rick at QB like the LSU game, but outside of that game he struggled as much as Ainge in 05. It shocks me that someone would pick Rick over Ainge and Bray. Ainge was great in 06 and 07 and Bray also played very well but we didn't win because of the record setting abomination of a defense we had. When you have Shuler, Manning and then title winner, Martin, in a row it is hard to like any subsequent QBs. People couldn't wait for Casey and Erik to leave when they were wearing the big orange, and now those same people want them back. Learn to appreciate the QBs you have and learn which QBs actually aren't good.

Ainge and Bray both had more raw talent I will give you that, but for the same reason Casey Clausen was such a success raw talent isn't half of what it takes to be a great Quarterback. Mental game to me is the larger factor in a great college quarterback, and no matter how strong your arm or your athleticism, if you don't have that the SEC will brutalize you. Bray NEVER mastered the head game....not ever. He sometimes pushed past that through athleticism and talent alone forcing plays.....but he never really got the mental aspect like these other QB's mentioned. Ainge would get eventually, and mainly the only reason I say they should have stayed with Rick, is Ainge was struggling with both an injury and some maturity at that point, then he got hurt again and he push some games that got him absolutely dismantled on....had he been healthy the whole time maybe it would have been different maybe not, but Rick was a mature proven Quarterback mentally tough under pressure. If zi can have senior Ainge over Rick fine....I'd deffinately take that... But Senior Rick Clausen over Ainge Sophmore any day.

 

[steelejacs]

Casey Clausen. Ice man. Calm in the fire. Never got rattled.

 

[GolfvolSC]

Gotta go with the ICEMAN and then Tee..

 

[fade route]

Clausen. Maybe the most underrated SEC QB in the last 20 years.

 

[3rdDown4What?]

On Casey Ill also never forget his fumblitis against UF at home. What was it 4??? I would say T. Martin.