Gary Parrish's take on BP and Tennessee

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C-town Vol said:
Man I hope we don't go after Howland (if Martin is not retained). Howland's teams played boring basketball. With the talent he had they consistently struggled offensively. Plus, it seems he lost control of the program at UCLA and they began to fall apart and have not yet recovered. I think Howland would be a questionable hire. Of course, I'm hoping Pearl comes back so what do I know about questionable hires.
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Boring basketball is seemingly less boring when it's played in the Final Four. Let alone, 3 straight Final Fours. I just want to win and be well-coached. Howland can do those things.

I'd rather watch boring offense win games than watch entertaining basketball lose them.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Marshall and Howland are both realistic candidates, Wooden...not so much.
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Actually the two realistic candidates are Howland and Pearl. Since as far as I can tell neither have a coaching job at the moment.

The reason they are the two most realistic is money. UT could probably be able to hire Marshall away, but it'd be at a steeper price then Howland and Pearl.

So lets break this down, you have Marshall who is making at the moment $1.75 million. If his team makes a deep run into the tourney I'd expect his asking price to go up to at least $2.25 million. So now UT is in a bidding war with Wichita State for Marshall, and we saw the last time UT got into a bidding war with other teams coaches.

So now we have hired Marshall away for $2.5 Million, but you also have to pay the buyout fee, which I think someone stated earlier was $500K. So we just got Marshall to the tune of $3 Million.

Now lets look at Howland and Pearl, now Howland could possibly ask for a bit more then Pearl because he's been to the Final Four three times, so lets say he asks for $2 Million, cause that's what he was making at UCLA the time he was fired. We might be able to get him to drop it down to $1.75 Million, maybe not, but even if we hire him at $2 Million, we're already saving a million cause there is no buyout to pay.

Same with Pearl, he was making I'm going to assume $1.75 Million, I can't find it anywhere so I'm just guessing. So lets say for the sake of argument that Pearl asks for $2 Million as well, cause even though he might not have a lot of teams after him, he knows the UT fan base wants him back and that could put the AD in a tough position to turn him down.

If I were the AD I'd agree to the $2 Million, but his base pay will be $1.75 Million and he can have incentives to bump it up to $2 Million if he wants. While yes he might have the AD in a tough spot, he's in just a tough a spot as well.

Hart also has to take into account, that the AD is strapped for cash and any revenue would help. If you go out on the street and ask lets say 1,000 UT fans who either Marshall or Howland is, what do you think the percentage is of people that would know who you're talking about? Say maybe 25%? Now ask those same people who Pearl is, I'm going to bet your percentage will near 100%.

With Pearl they'll have instant return, you can about guarantee that ticket sells will skyrocket if Pearl returns. With Howland and Marshall you might see a moderate increase. So do you take a sold out TBA or a half sold out TBA?

So again this all boils down to money, get the best available coach for the right price, and your best available options are Pearl and Howland. Now I know this is a long post and a lot of IFs, but it's something to think about.
 
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ManchesterV said:
I don't why I keep reading all these posts. We are really at the mercy of Hart on this. But I do have an opinion why we should hire Bruce back.
I'm 40 so I only go back as far as Devoe, but for too many years to count, I watched Tennessee BB only out of devotion and loyalty. Mostly expecting loses and disappointment, but still hoping for the best.
One Saturday in year one of Bruce's tenure, we went down to Austin and lit up Texas. From that moment on, I got that feeling that Vol fans only experience on Saturdays in the fall (especially in the 90s). That feeling, that on game day, no matter who we were playing, we were fixing to kick somebody's ass.
It's Bruce and his teams that got me thru the lean times in the football program. That's why I love Bruce and that's why I want him back.
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:hi:
 
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Ben Howland is a winner and would be a homerun. Has ties to the northeast and the Left Coast. Clearly he's eager to get back to coaching or he wouldn't be hanging around Pitt helping out. I want him badly.
 
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Let's see Marshall for $2.5, Howland for $2.0 or Pearl for $2.0

Pretty sure Pearl would come in last on Harts pecking order in that scenario.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Let's see Marshall for $2.5, Howland for $2.0 or Pearl for $2.0

Pretty sure Pearl would come in last on Harts pecking order in that scenario.
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Pearl for $2 million would come in 1st for most realistically attainable for the given price.

Wichita would match offers over $2.5 for Marshall.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Pearl for $2 million would come in 1st for most realistically attainable for the given price.
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See the VQ quote, doesn't doing like hart will even consider it.

Wichita would match offers over $2.5 for Marshall.
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Link? That's about 75% raise, pretty rare in CBB, especially when you just got a raise the year before. And for the umpteenth time, Marshall has said time and time again, it's not all about money with him, there's jobs he would take less money to go to.
 
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Marshall will be making 1.75 mill starting April 1, 2014.

2013 #s

1.) John Calipari, Kentucky: $4.2 million through 2018-19 *
2.) Billy Donovan, Florida: $3.5 million through 2015-16
3.) Mike Anderson, Arkansas: $2.2 million through 2017-18
4.) Kevin Stallings, Vanderbilt: $2.1 million through ??? **
5.) Anthony Grant, Alabama: $1.9 million through 2018-19 ***
Frank Martin, South Carolina: $1.9 million through 2016-17
7.) Mark Fox, Georgia: $1.7 million through 2015-16
8.) Frank Haith, Missouri: $1.6 million through 2015-16 ****
9.) Tony Barbee, Auburn: $1.5 million through 2016-17
10.) Cuonzo Martin, Tennessee: $1.3 million through 2015-16
Andy Kennedy, Ole Miss: $1.3 million through 2014-15 *****
12.) Johnny Jones, LSU: $1.1 million through 2016-17
13.) Billy Kennedy, Texas A&M: $1.0 million through 2015-16
Rick Ray, Mississippi State: $1.0 million through 2015-16

In my opinion, Tennessee will not be paying ANY new basketball coach 2.5 million (let alone 2.0 mill) whether it's this year or next.

If you throw out the salaries of Donovan and Cal (because they both have won NCAA's championships) the average salary of coaches in the SEC is 1.55 mill.
 
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105437 said:
Start listening around the 23 minute mark. Gary makes a really good point that when we had to hire a basketball coach after BP was gone, the absolute best we could do was a Missouri Valley coach who had never made the dance. So basically, that's what we're faced with now if we get rid of Cuonzo. His point is, you have BP right there and available as a proven winner... no brainer, you hire him. He also makes an interesting point in comparing Louisville re-hiring Petrino to re-hiring BP.

Gary Parrish interview
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There's not really a comparison to the two. Pearl was fired in shame, Petrino just pulled his usual up-and-leave BS. But here's another thing about UL. They obviously have no shame. They have been a bunch of wannabe's for most of my life.
 
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patrick said:
Marshall will be making 1.75 mill starting April 1, 2014.

2013 #s

1.) John Calipari, Kentucky: $4.2 million through 2018-19 *
2.) Billy Donovan, Florida: $3.5 million through 2015-16
3.) Mike Anderson, Arkansas: $2.2 million through 2017-18
4.) Kevin Stallings, Vanderbilt: $2.1 million through ??? **
5.) Anthony Grant, Alabama: $1.9 million through 2018-19 ***
Frank Martin, South Carolina: $1.9 million through 2016-17
7.) Mark Fox, Georgia: $1.7 million through 2015-16
8.) Frank Haith, Missouri: $1.6 million through 2015-16 ****
9.) Tony Barbee, Auburn: $1.5 million through 2016-17
10.) Cuonzo Martin, Tennessee: $1.3 million through 2015-16
Andy Kennedy, Ole Miss: $1.3 million through 2014-15 *****
12.) Johnny Jones, LSU: $1.1 million through 2016-17
13.) Billy Kennedy, Texas A&M: $1.0 million through 2015-16
Rick Ray, Mississippi State: $1.0 million through 2015-16

In my opinion, Tennessee will not be paying ANY new basketball coach 2.5 million (let alone 2.0 mill) whether it's this year or next.

If you throw out the salaries of Donovan and Cal (because they both have won NCAA's championships) the average salary of coaches in the SEC is 1.55 mill.
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So what you're saying is we may land Marshall?
 
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patrick said:
you just continue to show how foolish and immature you are on this board.
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How's that? Because I said what you're saying is we may pursue Marshall?

He seems to fit right into our spending range, no? I mean, if you don't think our admin will spend 2 million on Marhsall they sure as heck wouldn't spend 1.5 or more on a lesser candidate in Pearl.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
How's that? Because I said what you're saying is we may pursue Marshall?

He seems to fit right into our spending range, no? I mean, if you don't think our admin will spend 2 million on Marhsall they sure as heck wouldn't spend 1.5 or more on a lesser candidate in Pearl.
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you are foolish, argumentative and immature.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Solid response when you realize there's nothing you can say
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exactly! Nothing with any substance anyway. It's either you agree that Pearl is the next coach..or you're an idiot. Personally, I'll be glad when they get their comeuppance and Pearl isn't the coach and this talk dies.
 
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patrick said:
again you are simply argumentative and foolish and your intellect and comprehension is seriously lacking.

most post on salaries was clear and concise.
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Most people on here don't take him serious and after orange balls B!tch slapped him a few days ago he has lost all credibility with most on here.
 
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knowthevols said:
Most people on here don't take him serious and after orange balls B!tch slapped him a few days ago he has lost all credibility with most on here.
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Or when he said he was text buddies with the 17 year old recruits. Of course, it's debatable that he made this up.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
You posted SEC salaries, Marshall fits right into those, wasn't that your point?
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You must not have read my post fully regarding the salaries. But then again that is par for the course - your desire to argue, demean, and deflect is evident to the point that you don't even read what others post before you spew your would be come backs.
 
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