Gay liberals show their true colors (hypocrites)

[doozer]

I expected nothing less from your response.

my response fit your original reply, which was worth less than nothing.

the Bible is a guide, not a literal step by step instruction manual to living your life. the values remain, but the literal interpretation is no longer relevant. hence, why i said sarcastically:

let's live our lives exactly according

but you were more concerned with trying to twist my comments than reading what i actually said.

 

[therealUT]

sweet, let's live our lives exactly according to a book that was written 2000 years ago in a time and area that in no way what so ever resembles anything we as a society have today.

my response fit your original reply, which was worth less than nothing.

the Bible is a guide, not a literal step by step instruction manual to living your life. the values remain, but the literal interpretation is no longer relevant. hence, why i said sarcastically:



but you were more concerned with trying to twist my comments than reading what i actually said.

I quoted your previous post and emboldened the exact same phrase I had emboldened when I responded to it.

That being the case, I was not as concerned with your sarcastic presentation of "let's live our lives exactly according..." I figured you would have caught the hint. Apparently, this was my failure.

Societies, at their base, have experienced fairly marginal change since they turned from nomadic hunter-gatherer societies to sedentary bands, clans, and tribes, between 2,500 B.C. and 9,000 B.C. Therefore, the basic truths, philosophies, and foundations expressed throughout the Bible, apply to the modern era.

Thanks for playing along.

 

[doozer]

Thanks for playing along.

i didn't know it was a game.

 

[NuclearVol]

I have a huge problem with the "anti-gay" wing of the conservative/Republican voting bloc. My problem lies in the fact that many socially conservative Republicans so strongly cling to homophobia that voting for GOP candidates is basically eliminated as a choice for many social moderates, who might otherwise vote for fiscal conservatives due to a grasp of basic economic fundamentals.

Homosexuality and gay marriage is of little, direct moral concern for 99.99% of American adults. There are no national security implications riding on the issue and little to no implications regarding interstate and foreign trade, arising from the issue of gay-rights.

6,241,156 California voters, 52.2% of those casting ballots on Nov. 4, thought it was at least of enough direct moral concern to vote yes on Proposition 8.

 

[volfanbill]

Who cares whether our children understand basic language concepts, mathematics, social skills, etc. as long as they are not gay, or *gasp* learning tolerance.

especially since the Bible teaches us to grasp tolerance, just to try and preach against the sins. We are not to judge others for their trangressions, so why should we be allowed to ban it and make those who sin suffer? What if we make those who lie or lust suffer the same consequences as those who commit homosexuality?

Also I agree with Trut in that the sexuality and social climates of today's world are very similar to the Grecian and Roman Empires of the Biblical world. The same holds true for just about all points in between. Luxuries have been added and that's about the biggest change.

 

[OrangeYankee]

Personally, I could say I don't feel I have a right to tell Adam and Steve how to conduct their personal lives, but I am hesitant to vote "yes" until I know for a fact that churches who don't believe in that lifestyle won't be blackmailed into marrying Adam and Steve. I'm not generalizing here, but you have got to admit that there are some bad apples there (see youtube video) that would sue a church into oblivion just for the sake of "sticking it to the fundies." Even if the church would win or have a good chance of it, the legal costs would bury most churches out there. I refuse to vote affirmative towards any bill like that, until they clearly spell out the rights of those who refuse to perform a marriage they disagree with but is now legal. I believe the gays have the freedom to do whatever they want to do (as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others, hurt national security, blah blah), but I can't help but think the crazies would use it as a weapon against those they hate.

 

[therealUT]

Personally, I could say I don't feel I have a right to tell Adam and Steve how to conduct their personal lives, but I am hesitant to vote "yes" until I know for a fact that churches who don't believe in that lifestyle won't be blackmailed into marrying Adam and Steve. I'm not generalizing here, but you have got to admit that there are some bad apples there (see youtube video) that would sue a church into oblivion just for the sake of "sticking it to the fundies."

Judging from my own personal experience of trying to get Baptist Churches in East Tennessee to perform the marriage ceremony between my ex-wife and I (a Southern Baptist and a Catholic), I doubt that you need to be concerned. If a Baptist Church refuses to marry two Christians (of different denominations, of course) then I doubt many are going to marry two men.

 

[justingroves]

I really don't know why people can't leave each other alone.

I don't care what people do behind closed doors. It's not up to me to judge them.

 

[KB5252]

I really don't know why people can't leave each other alone.

I don't care what people do behind closed doors. It's not up to me to judge them.

I'm pretty much in the same boat, however I can see that there will be problems for those who refuse to marry same sex couples, they will dragged through the mud for following their religious beliefs.

 

[JZVOL]

I really don't know why people can't leave each other alone.

I don't care what people do behind closed doors. It's not up to me to judge them.

I don't disagree, but I feel the gay community, in large part, has taken it from closed doors to in your face type stuff.

If you want to be gay, that is your choice but I don't need all the parades, fluff pieces on the cover of People and an Oprah interview etc.

Anyone see all the articles and tv specials about the pregnant "man", it's just out of control.

 

[justingroves]

I'm pretty much in the same boat, however I can see that there will be problems for those who refuse to marry same sex couples, they will dragged through the mud for following their religious beliefs.

I can see that happening but if they don't want to do it so be it.

 

[KB5252]

I can see that happening but if they don't want to do it so be it.

But as we have seen from the militant gay activists they will harass these people and try to use any legal recourse available to punish them. As long as there is some protection afforded them i have no problem.

 

[JZVOL]

What are everyone's thoughts on gay ministers?

 

[KB5252]

What are everyone's thoughts on gay ministers?

I think that's up to the church to decide.

 

[justingroves]

I think that's up to the church to decide.

Yep.

Seems kind of hypocritical to me but if they want to preach the word so be it. People may not listen though.

 

[JZVOL]

Fair enough, I just don't understand how a Bible-believing church could have a gay minister.

If you are going to have an openly gay minister, why wouldn't you have one who openly admits to stealing, lying or having premarital sex?

 

[justingroves]

Fair enough, I just don't understand how a Bible-believing church could have a gay minister.

If you are going to have an openly gay minister, why wouldn't you have one who openly admits to stealing, lying or having premarital sex?

Like I said, people probably will not listen to him.

 

[alaVOL]

Amazing how violent these peace lovers are isn't it. This is the true colors of a lot of these people. Common sense should tell most that a man's wiring can't be anywhere near normal if he looks at a woman and thinks I'll pass so I can get funky with a guy? Come on...that is seriously screwed up. So should anyone be surprised they are so nutty.
Others say they don't care what others do behind closed doors, that is fine and dandy....But these people don't want their actions hidden at all. They want it in your face, on the main street, taught in the schools, and to be considered a civil rights issue. If they want to do their thing behind closed doors...fine...just keep it to themselves and shut up about it! I won't ask and please don't tell.

 

[lawgator1]

1) The guy in the video is a self-involved jackass. I thought he was drunk, but in any event he was obviously trying to make a spectacle of himself and all he did was annoy the entire rest of the world.

2) I don't care what other people want to call themselves, be it "married," "partners," or what have you. I got other things to do than care about that.

3) It used to be that the religious right argued that same-sex couples would somehow cause problems for others. The implication was usually that they would cause young people to turn gay who otherwise wouldn't be, or that they would cause enormous moral decay by their lifestyles, or some such theory. I just haven't seen any evidence of that, really. So again, I just don't care.

4) I personally find the thought of two men having sex repulsive.

5) I sometimes wonder whether the people who base their anti-gay positions in the Bible are otherwise living up to what the Bible says and am willing to wager that a fair share of them aren't even coming close.

 

[KB5252]

Amazing how violent these peace lovers are isn't it. This is the true colors of a lot of these people. Common sense show tell most that a man's wiring can't be anywhere near normal if he looks at a woman and thinks I'll pass so I can get funky with a guy? Come on...that is seriously screwed up. So should anyone be surprised they are so nutty.
Others say they don't care what others do behind closed doors, that is fine and dandy....But these people don't want their actions hidden at all. They want it in your face, on the main street, taught in the schools, and to be considered a civil rights issue. If they want to do their thing behind closed doors...fine...just keep it to themselves and shut up about it! I won't ask and please don't tell.

You are lumping in the militant gay activist and the average gay man or woman together. That is kind of like lumping together white supremacists and the average white man.

 

[justingroves]

1) The guy in the video is a self-involved jackass. I thought he was drunk, but in any event he was obviously trying to make a spectacle of himself and all he did was annoy the entire rest of the world.

2) I don't care what other people want to call themselves, be it "married," "partners," or what have you. I got other things to do than care about that.

3) It used to be that the religious right argued that same-sex couples would somehow cause problems for others. The implication was usually that they would cause young people to turn gay who otherwise wouldn't be, or that they would cause enormous moral decay by their lifestyles, or some such theory. I just haven't seen any evidence of that, really. So again, I just don't care.

4) I personally find the thought of two men having sex repulsive.

5) I sometimes wonder whether the people who base their anti-gay positions in the Bible are otherwise living up to what the Bible says and am willing to wager that a fair share of them aren't even coming close.

Your poster of Tim Tebow says otherwise.

 

[KB5252]

1) The guy in the video is a self-involved jackass. I thought he was drunk, but in any event he was obviously trying to make a spectacle of himself and all he did was annoy the entire rest of the world.

2) I don't care what other people want to call themselves, be it "married," "partners," or what have you. I got other things to do than care about that.

3) It used to be that the religious right argued that same-sex couples would somehow cause problems for others. The implication was usually that they would cause young people to turn gay who otherwise wouldn't be, or that they would cause enormous moral decay by their lifestyles, or some such theory. I just haven't seen any evidence of that, really. So again, I just don't care.

4) I personally find the thought of two men having sex repulsive.

5) I sometimes wonder whether the people who base their anti-gay positions in the Bible are otherwise living up to what the Bible says and am willing to wager that a fair share of them aren't even coming close.

Many would point to the city of San Fran as an indicator of moral decline. Not saying it is right or wrong, just throwing that out there.

 

[droski]

I don't disagree, but I feel the gay community, in large part, has taken it from closed doors to in your face type stuff.

If you want to be gay, that is your choice but I don't need all the parades, fluff pieces on the cover of People and an Oprah interview etc.

Anyone see all the articles and tv specials about the pregnant "man", it's just out of control.

i'm not sure this is the "gay community" or because of the lack of real news needed to fill 24 hours of 3 all news networks.

and as was said prior i'm very confused as to how this is going to encourage teachers to teach homosexuality in schools. i went to a catholic school and wasn't taught heterosexuality in school.

 

[JZVOL]

5) I sometimes wonder whether the people who base their anti-gay positions in the Bible are otherwise living up to what the Bible says and am willing to wager that a fair share of them aren't even coming close.

I agree with everything you said but this.

Name one person who has lived up to what the Bible says?

The only difference in a Christian and non-Christian is the forgiveness of Christ; it doesn't make one sinless.

According to the Bible, gay acts are an abomination, a perversion and a sin.

I'll be the first to admit I don't live up to what I believe in the Bible but that isn't a valid reason for me accept homosexuality.

I don't look favorably on any sin, including my own, so why should I feel any different about homosexuality?

Look if gay marriage is voted on I will vote against it. If the majority vote yes and it passes I will accept that. BUT if people vote no and a judge overrules that vote I have a large problem with that.

If a state passes gay marriage by vote that is fine with me but I will choose to not live in that state. It should be a state-by-state issue IMO.

 

[lawgator1]

Many would point to the city of San Fran as an indicator of moral decline. Not saying it is right or wrong, just throwing that out there.

Yeah, but ironically only because it has such a large gay population (meaning that they argue that gay people have made the city immoral just because there are so many of them) whereas it seems to have a reputation as a pleasant, albeit very expensive, place to live.