Geno Speaks

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madtownvol said:
Hmm, that is a tough one. But let's say that just hypothetically mind you someone posted a message like this on Vol Nation:

Do you think Stewart showed up at UCONN ready to go? Do you think Holly could coach her the same way Geno does? Do you realize how good UCONN is and was, even without Stewart? Stewart is a great player but Holly would still be without an N.C. with her. She needs to learn how to build a cohesive team with the right players. The top players don't go to UCONN because Geno wants them... they go because they want him. And if Pat were still capable of coaching they would be coming here because they want her as well.

Now (again hypothetically), if someone made post like this, 1) singing Geno praises, 2) insulting our head coach, 3) engaging in a unsubstantiated speculation (lacking a really good crystal ball, no one can know what impact Stewart might have had on the LVs program or vice versa) and 4) through a backhanded compliment to CPS, suggesting that top recruits no longer want to play for the LVs (forgetting about Russell, DeShields, and Tucker), I would consider that trolling for Uconn.
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That is such a good response. I would have just suggested a mirror.
 
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madtownvol said:
Hmm, that is a tough one. But let's say, just hypothetically mind you, that someone posted a message like this on Vol Nation:

Do you think Stewart showed up at UCONN ready to go? Do you think Holly could coach her the same way Geno does? Do you realize how good UCONN is and was, even without Stewart? Stewart is a great player but Holly would still be without an N.C. with her. She needs to learn how to build a cohesive team with the right players. The top players don't go to UCONN because Geno wants them... they go because they want him. And if Pat were still capable of coaching they would be coming here because they want her as well.

Now (again hypothetically), if someone made post like this, 1) singing Geno's praises, 2) insulting our head coach, 3) engaging in a unsubstantiated speculation (lacking a really good crystal ball, no one can know what impact Stewart might have had on the LVs program or vice versa) and 4) through a backhanded compliment to CPS, suggesting that top recruits no longer want to play for the LVs (forgetting about Russell, DeShields, and Tucker), I would consider that trolling for Uconn.
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That is pretty much what I expected.
 
#129
#129
CannonVol80 said:
Hoopslover,

I don't know if you're being deliberately obtuse, or if you have a problem with reading comprehension. Pat's meeting with Meighan Simmons wasn't a violation, it was the publishing of her photograph with an unsigned recruit. Pat didn't know the picture was taken until it was published in the local paper. My interpretation of the NCAA rules suggests that this was not, since Pat neither knew of it nor sanctioned it prior to the occurrence, a violation. However, in an abundance of caution, the Tennessee WAD reported it as a secondary violation.

Just out of curiosity, are you CLE802A on the Boneyard?

Jim
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Wrong is wrong. No matter how you twist it
 
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CannonVol80 said:
Hoopslover,

I don't know if you're being deliberately obtuse, or if you have a problem with reading comprehension. Pat's meeting with Meighan Simmons wasn't a violation, it was the publishing of her photograph with an unsigned recruit. Pat didn't know the picture was taken until it was published in the local paper. My interpretation of the NCAA rules suggests that this was not, since Pat neither knew of it nor sanctioned it prior to the occurrence, a violation. However, in an abundance of caution, the Tennessee WAD reported it as a secondary violation.

Just out of curiosity, are you CLE802A on the Boneyard?

Jim
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Regardless of how you spin, she was not suppose to have any contact with MS.

Fyi: There's no rule against taking pictures of a Coach watching a Recruit. Pathetic
 
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HoopsLover said:
Regardless of how you spin, she was not suppose to have any contact with MS.

Fyi: There's no rule against taking pictures of a Coach watching a Recruit. Pathetic
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I suggest you read the NCAA regs. It is clear that you have no idea what the regulations permit and what is prohibited. Having direct contact with a recruit during a period when, or with whom, contact is not permitted is much more than a secondary violation. You're just making it clear that you are here to sling dirt regardless of the facts.

Jim
 
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:birgits_giggle: Forget the MS argument. I just read the list of Violations the UT program have as a whole and I am appalled. You would think that the Wmns Bball Program was spotless if you listened to the fans.. :peace2: :popcorn: :no:

PS: There will be NO throwing of stones in the glass house..
 
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CannonVol80 said:
linkster,

I was going to let your response lie until it became clear that you wished to place the focus on my use of the phrase "one or two" in describing the Lady Vol secondary violations. Perhaps I could have used a more appropriate term than "one or two" although I thought that most people would recognize that for the hyperbole that it was.

Actually, yes, reprimands are, in fact, given for secondary violations. Usually what happens is the school reports a secondary violation and the sanction self-imposed to the NCAA in a year-end report. If you were to investigate more fully, I submit you would find that the reprimands you reference were self-imposed by the Tennessee WAD.

However, having read the article you referenced, linkster, do you really think the series was cancelled over a minor secondary violation? (Although, perhaps having self-reported and made public a violation similar to the ESPN incident a few years earlier, the TN WAD felt that the UConn Administration should have known better and should have, at the very least, self-reported) As I said earlier, given the complexity of the NCAA regulations it would be almost impossible to believe that any major program doesn't have two or three secondary violations every year. And, frankly, any program that doesn't feel that they have any of these type of violations to report is deluding itself or is depending on the fact that the NCAA either can't or won't investigate minor offenses of this nature.

While you suggest that it time to stop painting other programs with the "black brush" you forget that you are on a message board. That is what fans do. Particularly rabid fans! I'm sure I don't have to point you to the particular fans on the Boneyard who fit that description. Plus, when the argument gets protracted, sometimes even the most level headed fan gets a little out of control.

The thing is, you are not going to convince the majority of fans on a Tennessee board that Pat was not justified in taking that action that she did. Just as I am sure, I would not be able to convince most, if any, of the UConn fans that Geno had not been inappropriately slighted. But, since you have chosen to come to a Tennessee board to make the defense of your program and your coach, let me ask you this, What in the report to the NCAA was factually inaccurate? And please don't bring up the Sue and Diana giving Maya a ride report, because Joan Cronan has stated officially, more than once, that report did not come from Tennessee.

It just seems to me that, as long as the Tennessee fans keep things on their own, or neutral boards, the way to stop the bickering is for UConn fans to ignore it . And the same is true in reverse for Tennessee fans. Not that I have any realistic belief that will happen, but that is my opinion.
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I have read and enjoyed many of your posts over the last several years.

I am not trying to defend UConn. I don't think anyone needs to defend themselves against what is IMO nothing but gossip. I never read the 37 page complaint so I have nothing to say about it. I did read that the complaint came from the SEC and that most all complaints to the NCAA come through conferences, not individual schools. Where the conference gets their information is not known. What I have read are convincing reports in the media that Pat publicly accused the UConn women's program of cheating at a level that if she did it she felt she should be fired. No one called her on it and the only thing she ever said about the specifics was to ask Geno, he knew.

Tenn had and has every right to play or not whomever they wish. They do not have the right to smear another program with unspecified and unsubstantiated charges and not be required to either support them in the same venue as they were delivered or to disavow them. I suspect that if the teams ever agree to play the differences will be settled in some sort of half-assed manner in which neither fanbase will be satisfied. In fact I am a cynical person and would not be surprised if the reemergence of this issue in the media is nothing more than a way to hype an already agreed upon game that will be announced at an appropriately public manner by ESPN.
I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, just stating mine. I'd just as soon drop the issue right here. Thanks.
 
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reno tony said:
That is pretty much what I expected.
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Wow, that is a POWERFUL retort:superman: You can go back to the Boneyard now. We are all now Geno acolytes and we are burning our LV gear. Congratulations Dude.
 
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