Geno Speaks

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As always,CannonVol, your post was to the point and appreciated. Your posts are always knowledgable. Thanks,Jim, for all your information.
 
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So if the NCAA found nothing wrong, why are we still beating a dead horse?! Pat received her punishment and Geknow was found not guilty.

Ps: I loved the way you watered down the Simmons situation. 👏 😁
 
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HoopsLover said:
So if the NCAA found nothing wrong, why are we still beating a dead horse?! Pat received her punishment and Geknow was found not guilty.

Ps: I loved the way you watered down the Simmons situation. 👏 😁
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I love how you think a local newspaper photographer taking a picture of Pat and Meighan and getting Maya a tour of ESPN equal to the same thing. Unless that photographer was Annie Leibovitz, you don't have a case. Pat self reported, and Geno waited on the NCAA to find anything wrong. Big difference!
 
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1: Why do you need permission to take pictures of someone at an open event, such as a BASKETBALL game?

2: She was NOT suppose to have contact with Simmons.

3: The only reason UT self reported was because the picture went public

4: PS knew she wasn't suppose to have ANY contact with MS. Shes been around long enough to know the rules. But I digress
 
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mtsuraider06 said:
I love how you think a local newspaper photographer taking a picture of Pat and Meighan and getting Maya a tour of ESPN equal to the same thing. Unless that photographer was Annie Leibovitz, you don't have a case. Pat self reported, and Geno waited on the NCAA to find anything wrong. Big difference!
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Wrong is wrong. Rather you steal or kill, you're going to Jail.
 
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CannonVol80 said:
Hoopslover,

Perhaps you should get your information from somewhere other than the UConn message boards. First, the Tennessee Lady Vols program has had one or two secondary violations over the years. Secondary violations are not uncommon and generally involve nothing more than a public acknowledgement that they have occurred. One rather "famous" one that I recall was when Michelle Snow received "extra" desserts from a cafeteria worker who felt she was too skinny and needed to bulk up.

The incident to which you referred did, in fact, occur during the recruitment, although I don't recall any report that Pat Summitt was "mad" at the photographer. The photo was, however, taken without Pat's knowledge or consent and was published in a local paper in Meighan Simmon's hometown. It was the publication that Tennessee self-reported as a secondary violation.

And therein lies the difference. The Tennessee WAD had always self reported violations when there was any possibility that one had occurred (yes, even the one of the extra desserts!) and they did so without any 'nudging" by an outside party.

Frankly, given the current complexity of the NCAA recruiting regulations, I would find it almost unbelievable that there aren't one or two secondary violations that occur in every program on an annual basis. A significant number of programs just ignore minor secondary violations knowing, I presume, that the NCAA can't or doesn't bother themselves with investigating these type of "infractions". The NCAA does, however, expect a program to make an annual report of potential violations. It is only when a school has not reported a violation and there becomes a public discussion that there is a problem or when the number or re-occurance of secondary violations indicates a "lack of institutional control".

If "no one can throw stones here", I suggest that you put yours back in your pocket.

Jim
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Thank you, Cannon, for being the voice of reason once again. And I think we can "figure out" where Hoopslover (you guys) is from and where its committed.
 
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Nonsensical post. Rather what? Did you just join this illustrious board to "throw stones" at Pat?
 
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mtsuraider06 said:
I love how you think a local newspaper photographer taking a picture of Pat and Meighan and getting Maya a tour of ESPN equal to the same thing. Unless that photographer was Annie Leibovitz, you don't have a case. Pat self reported, and Geno waited on the NCAA to find anything wrong. Big difference!
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So she basically committed a Violation and then told on herself? Why do something that you know is wrong and then tell on yourself?

Oh yea, I know why....because she didn't know someone had snapped a picture. So she went ahead and spared herself some backlash and self reported. Smart move. If another SEC School saw it, it would've been a huge problem.
 
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Hoopslover,

I don't know if you're being deliberately obtuse, or if you have a problem with reading comprehension. Pat's meeting with Meighan Simmons wasn't a violation, it was the publishing of her photograph with an unsigned recruit. Pat didn't know the picture was taken until it was published in the local paper. My interpretation of the NCAA rules suggests that this was not, since Pat neither knew of it nor sanctioned it prior to the occurrence, a violation. However, in an abundance of caution, the Tennessee WAD reported it as a secondary violation.

Just out of curiosity, are you CLE802A on the Boneyard?

Jim
 
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HoopsLover said:
Yes, love Wmns Hoops. Huge Gamecocks fan.
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Like heck. I'm from Carolina, and you might be a Gamecocks 'fan', but you are NOT SC or USC. Only in your dreams.

It's a troll, everybody. I'm not responding to this thing again, on ignore, and recommend that action to all. I know some of you don't do ignore, but I've never been one to suffer fools gladly.
 
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Tennessee says self-reporting helps maintain NCAA compliance | AccessNorthGa

I am only interested in accuracy, not in harming the reputation of any program. However, a poster here stated that the LV program has only committed a couple of secondary violations and that simply isn't true if the article above is accurate.

A couple of excerpts:

At the request of The Associated Press, the university released edited copies of self-reports filed between 1998 and 2001. Ten involved men's basketball and football, and seven involved women's basketball.
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Note that this was only for a 3 year period.

Punishments resulted in one player missing games and several coaches, including Pat Summitt, receiving reprimands
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reprimands are not given for secondary violations

The third was from February, when Summitt and assistant coach Mickie DeMoss were reprimanded for allowing two prospects and their family have a free tour of a Knoxville facility. The name of the facility was blacked out, but the document indicated they were admitted free because Summitt is an inducted member and DeMoss belongs to the Women's Basketball Coaches Association. Summitt was inducted into the Women's Basketball Hall of Fame here in 1999.
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Recruiting is tough and signing elite recruits is the key to winning in wcbb. Lots of coaches recruit right on the line of legality and Tenn is no exception. It's time to stop painting others as black as sin and our own programs as angelic.
 
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linkster said:
Tennessee says self-reporting helps maintain NCAA compliance | AccessNorthGa

I am only interested in accuracy, not in harming the reputation of any program. However, a poster here stated that the LV program has only committed a couple of secondary violations and that simply isn't true if the article above is accurate.

A couple of excerpts:


Note that this was only for a 3 year period.

reprimands are not given for secondary violations
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Given your interest in accuracy, your selective editing is puzzling. The fuller excerpt reads:

"The infractions ranged from free meals to an assistant football coach who made eye contact with a prospect during a no-contact period. Punishments resulted in one player missing games and several coaches, including Pat Summitt, receiving reprimands."

The entire article is about UT self-reporting secondary infractions. Reports of secondary violations are very common and expected. Here is a passage from another newspaper report on secondary violations (the focal school here is WVU)

Upwards of 4,000 violations are self-reported to the NCAA every year, and there are occasions when the NCAA will consider the commission of multiple secondary violations to be a major violation. Two dozen errors might seem like a lot, especially at a school that’s been on probation twice in recent years for major NCAA violations, and that’s fine with WVU athletic director Oliver Luck.

He recalled a meeting shortly after he was hired in 2010 with an outside consultant who had helped WVU with NCAA governance issues in the past. Luck was trying to gain a better understanding of compliance operations and oversight and set aside a few hours to that one particular conversation.

“The most interesting thing I learned, which was completely counterintuitive to me at least, was that you’re expected to file a lot of secondary violations,” he said. “If you file none, that puts up a red flag for the NCAA. They know you can’t be perfect.

Charleston Daily Mail | WVU ATHLETICS: Secondary violations extremely common with thorough NCAA rules

Also, reprimands are fairly common consequences of NCAA secondary violations.

So, your insinuation that the LVs and CPS must have engaged in more serious violations, since a reprimand occurred, is erroneous, completely baseless and has no connection to the article you miscited.

So, yes let's all be for accuracy.
 
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linkster said:
Tennessee says self-reporting helps maintain NCAA compliance | AccessNorthGa

I am only interested in accuracy, not in harming the reputation of any program. However, a poster here stated that the LV program has only committed a couple of secondary violations and that simply isn't true if the article above is accurate.

A couple of excerpts:



Note that this was only for a 3 year period.



reprimands are not given for secondary violations



Recruiting is tough and signing elite recruits is the key to winning in wcbb. Lots of coaches recruit right on the line of legality and Tenn is no exception. It's time to stop painting others as black as sin and our own programs as angelic.
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It's revealing that you choose my post to comment and not the post that claimed that tenn has had but 2 secondary violations.

And my point was to try and show that no fanbase is in a position to look down their noses at others with a sanctimonious attitude.

No one.
 
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linkster said:
It's revealing that you choose my post to comment and not the post that claimed that tenn has had but 2 secondary violations.

And my point was to try and show that no fanbase is in a position to look down their noses at others with a sanctimonious attitude.

No one.
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Cannonvol's estimate was clearly low but his/her general points about the nature of secondary violations were on target. For example, here is a recent self-report in which the LVs reported exceeding a daily expense limit for a recruit visit by $10
Tennessee Athletics Compliance

In contrast, you skewed a news report to falsely insinuate (through ignorance or malice) that a reprimand would not be given for a secondary violation but only for a more serious infraction.

I will not get into the sordid history but the complaint against UCONN is not that they committed secondary violations but the nature of the specific violations.

If two people are exceeding the speed limit (one by 5 mph and the other by 50 mph), both are in violation but there is a major difference in the severity of their respective actions.
 
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linkster,

I was going to let your response lie until it became clear that you wished to place the focus on my use of the phrase "one or two" in describing the Lady Vol secondary violations. Perhaps I could have used a more appropriate term than "one or two" although I thought that most people would recognize that for the hyperbole that it was.

Actually, yes, reprimands are, in fact, given for secondary violations. Usually what happens is the school reports a secondary violation and the sanction self-imposed to the NCAA in a year-end report. If you were to investigate more fully, I submit you would find that the reprimands you reference were self-imposed by the Tennessee WAD.

However, having read the article you referenced, linkster, do you really think the series was cancelled over a minor secondary violation? (Although, perhaps having self-reported and made public a violation similar to the ESPN incident a few years earlier, the TN WAD felt that the UConn Administration should have known better and should have, at the very least, self-reported) As I said earlier, given the complexity of the NCAA regulations it would be almost impossible to believe that any major program doesn't have two or three secondary violations every year. And, frankly, any program that doesn't feel that they have any of these type of violations to report is deluding itself or is depending on the fact that the NCAA either can't or won't investigate minor offenses of this nature.

While you suggest that it time to stop painting other programs with the "black brush" you forget that you are on a message board. That is what fans do. Particularly rabid fans! I'm sure I don't have to point you to the particular fans on the Boneyard who fit that description. Plus, when the argument gets protracted, sometimes even the most level headed fan gets a little out of control.

The thing is, you are not going to convince the majority of fans on a Tennessee board that Pat was not justified in taking that action that she did. Just as I am sure, I would not be able to convince most, if any, of the UConn fans that Geno had not been inappropriately slighted. But, since you have chosen to come to a Tennessee board to make the defense of your program and your coach, let me ask you this, What in the report to the NCAA was factually inaccurate? And please don't bring up the Sue and Diana giving Maya a ride report, because Joan Cronan has stated officially, more than once, that report did not come from Tennessee.

It just seems to me that, as long as the Tennessee fans keep things on their own, or neutral boards, the way to stop the bickering is for UConn fans to ignore it . And the same is true in reverse for Tennessee fans. Not that I have any realistic belief that will happen, but that is my opinion.
 
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CannonVol80 said:
It just seems to me that, as long as the Tennessee fans keep things on their own, or neutral boards, the way to stop the bickering is for UConn fans to ignore it . And the same is true in reverse for Tennessee fans. Not that I have any realistic belief that will happen, but that is my opinion.
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That is very sage advice but I suspect the UConn fans who insist on trolling LV fan sites are impervious to good advice. [Note, I am not blasting all Uconn fans just the evangelical ones who feel compelled to come on boards like this to "enlighten" LV fans.
 
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madtownvol said:
That is very sage advice but I suspect the UConn fans who insist on trolling LV fan sites are impervious to good advice. [Note, I am not blasting all Uconn fans just the evangelical ones who feel compelled to come on boards like this to "enlighten" LV fans.
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And what is your definition of trolling?
 
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reno tony said:
And what is your definition of trolling?
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Hmm, that is a tough one. But let's say, just hypothetically mind you, that someone posted a message like this on Vol Nation:

Do you think Stewart showed up at UCONN ready to go? Do you think Holly could coach her the same way Geno does? Do you realize how good UCONN is and was, even without Stewart? Stewart is a great player but Holly would still be without an N.C. with her. She needs to learn how to build a cohesive team with the right players. The top players don't go to UCONN because Geno wants them... they go because they want him. And if Pat were still capable of coaching they would be coming here because they want her as well.

Now (again hypothetically), if someone made post like this, 1) singing Geno's praises, 2) insulting our head coach, 3) engaging in a unsubstantiated speculation (lacking a really good crystal ball, no one can know what impact Stewart might have had on the LVs program or vice versa) and 4) through a backhanded compliment to CPS, suggesting that top recruits no longer want to play for the LVs (forgetting about Russell, DeShields, and Tucker), I would consider that trolling for Uconn.
 
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