Geno the Bozo

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I cannot stand Geno. However, he will be known very soon as the best female basketball coach of all time. Yes, Pat got the program started and built it for what it is today. Geno is the best coach and should be in the men's program. Pat was the best in her day. That has been a few years ago. Blast me if you want , but sometimes the truth hurts. Holly Warlick will never do what Pat Head Summit did. In my opinion Holly is a second tier coach. Time will prove me right.
 
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ReelfootVol said:
I cannot stand Geno. However, he will be known very soon as the best female basketball coach of all time. Yes, Pat got the program started and built it for what it is today. Geno is the best coach and should be in the men's program. Pat was the best in her day. That has been a few years ago. Blast me if you want , but sometimes the truth hurts. Holly Warlick will never do what Pat Head Summit did. In my opinion Holly is a second tier coach. Time will prove me right.
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I think Geno has stuck to coaching the women's game for a reason.
 
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IF it weren't for Pat , there wouldn't be a discussion on women's BB . She brought it to the forefront nationally . End of argument. :yes:
 
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volfanhill said:
while there is no doubt geno is an a** and that Pat built womens basketball, his titles are more impressive as the level of competition in womens basketball (thanks in no small part to Pat) has been far higher then when Pat won hers. That will be taken as a knock by me on Pat by some on here but it is accurate
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I challenge you to compare Pat's record of playing the very best year in and year out. Geno has played a very soft schedule throughout. While it helps playing top competition, it also takes its toll on players and does adversely affect younger players getting more playing time in order to develop and gain confidence.

Pat is the icon for women's basketball, and excellence in sports and developing outstanding people. Geno is a jerk.
 
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I don't get what the arguement has always been about. I see no reason as to why the accomplishments of both can't stand on their own instead of constantly being compared. Pat is Pat, and Geno is Geno. They will both go down as the best to ever coach the women's game. I think Geno said it best last night when saying, "Pat is the best WCBB coach that has ever lived." Pat was the pioneer of the sport, and will ALWAYS be viewed as the face of women's basketball. Genowill always be known as one of the greatest coaches to ever coach the game. I feel that there is room for both of them, but I will say that Pat's legacy will always have a little more than Geno's regardless how many NC titles he ends up with. He could end up coaching another 10-15 years, or it could all end tomorrow. Pat's reach has gone far from basketball and sports in general. Her ultimate legacy will be the dignity she has handled what life has thrown at her, and what her Foundation is doing to fight this disease that robs so many lives. At the end of the day, there are bigger things than win/loss totals, and records beining matched/broken.
 
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jim43 said:
I challenge you to compare Pat's record of playing the very best year in and year out. Geno has played a very soft schedule throughout. While it helps playing top competition, it also takes its toll on players and does adversely affect younger players getting more playing time in order to develop and gain confidence.

Pat is the icon for women's basketball, and excellence in sports and developing outstanding people. Geno is a jerk.
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Yes he is a jerk but when you do compare their sos over the last decade they are both routinely in the top five. The goal is to win championships. There are several years where their sos is actually higher then ours.
 
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armchair said:
Geno has been kicking a$$ and taking names while we play like Brownies. It's tough for we longtime UT followers. The gap between us and them was evident in the way each team played Louisville. Sobering.
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YEP. That has to be the barometer. In the tourney, all in, LVS get whipped, and conn rips em.

Easy for geno to talk that talk about Pat; sitting in the catbird seat. I doubt the veracity. :blink:
 
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TNRitz said:
I don't get what the arguement has always been about. I see no reason as to why the accomplishments of both can't stand on their own instead of constantly being compared. Pat is Pat, and Geno is Geno. They will both go down as the best to ever coach the women's game. I think Geno said it best last night when saying, "Pat is the best WCBB coach that has ever lived." Pat was the pioneer of the sport, and will ALWAYS be viewed as the face of women's basketball. Genowill always be known as one of the greatest coaches to ever coach the game. I feel that there is room for both of them, but I will say that Pat's legacy will always have a little more than Geno's regardless how many NC titles he ends up with. He could end up coaching another 10-15 years, or it could all end tomorrow. Pat's reach has gone far from basketball and sports in general. Her ultimate legacy will be the dignity she has handled what life has thrown at her, and what her Foundation is doing to fight this disease that robs so many lives. At the end of the day, there are bigger things than win/loss totals, and records beining matched/broken.
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well said
 
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Pat is an icon, and geno is a jerk--but if you gave PS and geno the same five players and put them in a title game, geno would win. The game started passing by PS about 12 years ago--mainly the offensive side of the game. We were in a pretty long draught before PS landed Parker, who saved us for a few years. If PS had a superstar like Parker, then her offense looked good. But if she had 5 high-school AAs on her team but no superstar, UT would stumble around and look ugly on offense. Geno can take 5 good players with no superstar and they will play good offensive basketball--move the ball quickly, good passes, score. Geno has the same toughness that PS had, and puts the same emphasis on defense, but he's a better offensive coach. And he's recruited quite a bit better than us. PS coached too long and then got sick and we've been caught in a somewhat extended transition period. Warlick looks to be ratcheting up the recruiting--please get more and better guards--but I question our coaching and our coaches ability to cultivate toughness. We simply lost it. Everybody likes Warlick, but she's been around a LONG time herself. We need a smart, tough, high energy coach if we want to get back to the top.
 
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armchair said:
Pat is an icon, and geno is a jerk--but if you gave PS and geno the same five players and put them in a title game, geno would win. The game started passing by PS about 12 years ago--mainly the offensive side of the game. We were in a pretty long draught before PS landed Parker, who saved us for a few years. If PS had a superstar like Parker, then her offense looked good. But if she had 5 high-school AAs on her team but no superstar, UT would stumble around and look ugly on offense. Geno can take 5 good players with no superstar and they will play good offensive basketball--move the ball quickly, good passes, score. Geno has the same toughness that PS had, and puts the same emphasis on defense, but he's a better offensive coach. And he's recruited quite a bit better than us. PS coached too long and then got sick and we've been caught in a somewhat extended transition period. Warlick looks to be ratcheting up the recruiting--please get more and better guards--but I question our coaching and our coaches ability to cultivate toughness. We simply lost it. Everybody likes Warlick, but she's been around a LONG time herself. We need a smart, tough, high energy coach if we want to get back to the top.
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Lady Vols lost something when they lost the sweater dude. SOMEBODY needs to study the top men's offensive teams. Louisville (even) schooled Ut with easy baskets.
 
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JohnWardForever said:
Lady Vols lost something when they lost the sweater dude. SOMEBODY needs to study the top men's offensive teams. Louisville (even) schooled Ut with easy baskets.
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He was at Michigan State w Joanne P. McCalle and is currently with her at Duke, and they havent done anything remarkable; so I don't believe that he is the missing piece! I would take Warlick or Demoss over him any day. I think the biggest problem was when the recruiting of outstanding athletes started! You can be the best athlete in the world, run faster, jump higher than everyone else, but if you can't put the ball in the bucket you're not going to win any games.
 
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Geno gets a lot of number one players he has the number one in the 2012 class and the 2011 class on the team now. He is in great shape to get the 2014 number one players and possibly the number two. The only year we got the number one was 2013 Mercedes. He also gets the meanest girls he can find that don't mind punching your lights out for no reason. They are intense and aggressive and just wear you down so you make mistakes on your own. Tennessee gets a lot of girls that are very good players but are also nice people and very sweet to opponents on the court. We didn't seem to mind Louisville getting easy layups we didn't try to punish anyone for bringing the ball in there or making them think twice about doing it again. Players are a reflection of their coach and we all know how mean and vulgar Geno is and his girls have the same mindset.
 
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Hmmm...little mention here of how he treats his players: cursing, verbal abuse, hatefulness...nor how Maya Moore's mother got the condo in Storrs. We see ESPN with guns blazin' after the Rutgers coach & Auburn football for equal or less, but Storrs, UConn & ESPN studios are one in the same IMO. Just something to ponder, folks. Meanwhile, I'm grateful we had Pat Head Summit leading the Lady Vols.
 
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feathersax said:
Hmmm...little mention here of how he treats his players: cursing, verbal abuse, hatefulness...nor how Maya Moore's mother got the condo in Storrs. We see ESPN with guns blazin' after the Rutgers coach & Auburn football for equal or less, but Storrs, UConn & ESPN studios are one in the same IMO. Just something to ponder, folks. Meanwhile, I'm grateful we had Pat Head Summit leading the Lady Vols.
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We all know he cheated and he's done it very well. History will remember him as a great coach and leader and all those titles they want include the cheating etc. This has happened throughout human history in every field and vocation. It is sad but true but that is just the way it is and will always be. As for the players he seems to seek out individuals that can accept the verbal abuse and like it. Some even thrive on it and it seems to work they play mean on the court I guess it is their way of releasing what he builds up in them.
 
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The greatness of Geno and Pat lies with Gordon, Holdclaw, Parker, Moore,Lobo and Taurasi.

The team with the best player usually wins it all in Womens BB.
 
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tennesseeduke said:
He's cheated and will never be the coach that Coach Summit is and was. She called him on it and that's why the series died!

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The series dying did nothing but hurt UT, and bolster UCONN. To the rest of the country it looks like UT ducked outof the series, when the a** kicking became a regular occurrence.
 
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Yankee_Vol said:
I just don't/can't see why people would rather go to Storrs than Knoxville
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The town itself sucks compared to Knoxville, but you're within two hours of New York and Boston. Plus, in recent years, UConn has been superior.

Whomever said that Holly is second-tier, I agree with you. Taking this team to the Elite 8 impressed me a lot, but I don't understand why the gig wasn't given to Mitchell or Caldwell. To a lot of recruits, Tennessee is going to start looking less appealing than Duke, Maryland, Kentucky and Notre Dame if the Lady Vols don't start making some Final Fours.
 
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Lady Vols are on a 5 game winning streak vs UCONN so I don't think they were "ducking" them.
 
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notabed22 said:
The town itself sucks compared to Knoxville, but you're within two hours of New York and Boston. Plus, in recent years, UConn has been superior.

Whomever said that Holly is second-tier, I agree with you. Taking this team to the Elite 8 impressed me a lot, but I don't understand why the gig wasn't given to Mitchell or Caldwell. To a lot of recruits, Tennessee is going to start looking less appealing than Duke, Maryland, Kentucky and Notre Dame if the Lady Vols don't start making some Final Fours.
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I would love to hear the reasons why you or others believe this.

I personally believe it is to soon to make the call on her, and up to this point I think she has done an excellent job.
 
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SURFSIDEBEACHVOL said:
I would love to hear the reasons why you or others believe this.

I personally believe it is to soon to make the call on her, and up to this point I think she has done an excellent job.
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It's a point which I can't truly substantiate, especially since Tennessee made the Elite 8.This is pure speculation on my part but, over the last four years, I'd say that Tennessee's true "head coaching" duties began shifting from Pat to Holly, obviously the case in the 2011-2012 season. Tennessee really underperformed after the back-to-back titles. Underperforming is all relative since most schools would be thrilled with what they accomplished, but I at least expected a Final Four appearance. This, completely a shot in the dark here on my part, goes against Holly.

Also, Holly's a little older than Caldwell and Mitchell. Not that this takes away from her coaching abilities, but it makes her less appealing because I'd want to have someone who can be around for the long haul and, unfortunately, it's harder to do that when you're 55 as opposed to 40/42. Age doesn't matter much in the men's game because there's a wealth of Tier 1 tallent but, for the women, it's basically just Geno/Tara/Kim/Muffet leading the pack at this point.
 
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