Geno the Bozo

[508mikey]

Sooo where was the NCAA if this is such an open and closed case? Or did Geno have the Mafia take care of it, because he's a paisan and all?

•There are three sides to every story. Mine, yours and the truth. ~ Joe Massino

 

[notabed22]

I want be starting any conversations with the trolls on here but to me UConn will always be known as handbag U.

Maybe you just came out of the turnip patch but everyone with any IQ at all knew what went down in the recruiting of Moore. I want even rehash it here don't have the time for people like you. :bash:

Won't, dude... won't.

 

[Convoluted]

Maybe you just came out of the turnip patch but everyone with any IQ at all knew what went down in the recruiting of Moore. I want even rehash it here don't have the time for people like you. :bash:

What? There were irregularities in the recruitment of Nia Moore?

 

[Convoluted]

I want even rehash it here don't have the time for people like you. :bash:

Thanks for confirming that you have absolutely no evidence of uconn wrong doing.

 

[Volfan2012]

Thanks for confirming that you have absolutely no evidence of uconn wrong doing.

I see Handbag U has found another Tennessee site to leech on that is all that bunch is good for.

 

[Volfan2012]

Sooo where was the NCAA if this is such an open and closed case? Or did Geno have the Mafia take care of it, because he's a paisan and all?

Some people commit murder and get away with it. Others violate the rules and do the same thing. In this case one coach refused to lay the hammer down on the student so the coach slides by.

 

[Toujours Pret]

Some people commit murder and get away with it. Others violate the rules and do the same thing. In this case one coach refused to lay the hammer down on the student so the coach slides by.

There's feces trickling out of your ear canals you're so full of it.

 

[Volfan2012]

There's feces trickling out of your ear canals you're so full of it.

:neener:troll

 

[Obsessedvol]

I hate UConn and it makes me sick they have as many titles as UT and Pat, but you gotta give credit to them. It is what it is. However, Pat Summitt changed women's basketball, and not just women's basketball, but women's sports as a whole. Geno and UConn probably wouldn't have done this without Pat.

 

[Convoluted]

Some people commit murder and get away with it. Others violate the rules and do the same thing. In this case one coach refused to lay the hammer down on the student so the coach slides by.

Don't you see how lame that approach is? Pat sees the murder, but does nothing to stop the crime. Instead, she starts a character assassination (a different type of murder) in an attempt to destroy the reputation of a competitor who is getting too close to taking over as #1 coach in the land. Anyone can make innuendos. Not very admirable. Perhaps she was already in the beginning stages of her illness and can be excused because of it. She should clear the air now, if it's not too late.

 

[Slydell]

Character assassination of Pat is a weird path to take.

 

[Toujours Pret]

Character assassination of Pat is a weird path to take.

I believe he was speaking of character assassination by Pat, not of her.

Also I don't see how I'm a "troll". I just can't stand hilljacks who look at the world through orange colored glasses. Call **** for what it is.

 

[Slydell]

I believe he was speaking of character assassination by Pat, not of her.

Also I don't see how I'm a "troll". I just can't stand hilljacks who look at the world through orange colored glasses. Call **** for what it is.

Naw, I meant his was as much a character assassination of Pat by post his theory/opinion as if it were fact.

Damn hilljacks!!

 

[DaddyChoc]

I hate UConn and it makes me sick they have as many titles as UT and Pat, but you gotta give credit to them. It is what it is. However, Pat Summitt changed women's basketball, and not just women's basketball, but women's sports as a whole. Geno and UConn probably wouldn't have done this without Pat.

I dont think anyone would dispute that

 

[Convoluted]

However, Pat Summitt changed women's basketball, and not just women's basketball, but women's sports as a whole. Geno and UConn probably wouldn't have done this without Pat.

To be honest, it was Title IX that changed women's sports. Pat took advantage of the new law. In fact, Geno and many other coaches took advantage of it too. Without Title IX, women's basketball and sports in general would have gone nowhere.

 

[AllforTenn]

To be honest, it was Title IX that changed women's sports. Pat took advantage of the new law. In fact, Geno and many other coaches took advantage of it too. Without Title IX, women's basketball and sports in general would have gone nowhere.

So all the sportswriters and other college coaches (including men's coaches like Bobby Knight and Mike Krzyzewski&#8206 are wrong in giving Pat so much credit? Only in a convoluted mind like yours!:loco:

 

[Convoluted]

So all the sportswriters and other college coaches (including men's coaches like Bobby Knight and Mike Krzyzewski&#8206 are wrong in giving Pat so much credit? Only in a convoluted mind like yours!:loco:

The claim was that she changed women's sports, not that she was one of the best coaches. Can you list the things she did to change the sport? Enlighten me.

Winning games and coaching for a long time isn't changing the sport, it's being a good coach that had staying power. My point is not to confuse being a good coach for changing the game. She's accomplished plenty in basketball and there's no need to attribute things to her that she didn't actually do. That's like saying Tom Cruise is a great fighter pilot because he was in Top Gun instead of saying he is a good actor (if you think that).

 

[UTGnome]

The claim was that she changed women's sports, not that she was one of the best coaches. Can you list the things she did to change the sport? Enlighten me.

Winning games and coaching for a long time isn't changing the sport, it's being a good coach that had staying power. My point is not to confuse being a good coach for changing the game. She's accomplished plenty in basketball and there's no need to attribute things to her that she didn't actually do. That's like saying Tom Cruise is a great fighter pilot because he was in Top Gun instead of saying he is a good actor (if you think that).

I think that by consistently winning and coaching for a such a long time helped change the outlook for women's college basketball. Pat brought a stabilizing force and figurehead to women's basketball and many additional women's college sports. (see women's softball).

By proving she could repeatedly bring championships and high quality basketball to the college level, other colleges took notice and increased their own Women's athletic teams. This has been stated before many times.

 

[Convoluted]

I think that by consistently winning and coaching for a such a long time helped change the outlook for women's college basketball. Pat brought a stabilizing force and figurehead to women's basketball and many additional women's college sports. (see women's softball).

By proving she could repeatedly bring championships and high quality basketball to the college level, other colleges took notice and increased their own Women's athletic teams. This has been stated before many times.

Can't disagree with your 1st paragraph. She was persistent when many others gave up for lack of funding, lack of interest, ridicule by the male sports fans. How many coaches would wash the uniforms? Her persistence is what I primarily admire her for. She did set an example and her zeal encouraged others to give it a shot.

But I don't agree that she changed the game to any great extent. Women's sports was changed because the law changed and schools had to bring equality to the playing fields. She basically understood the new rules and ran with them and was at an age that allowed her to do it. Right place, right time. If she was 10 years older, she would have been established in a different career and never would have regressed to take a job at slave wages that no one else wanted.

I believe she stayed a bit too long, and her reputation outside Tennessee suffered for it. Her coaching didn't keep up, some nepotism crept in, she blundered with the Geno inuendos. Recruiting slipped, and she didn't change with the times. This enabled others to catch up and lessened her status elsewhere. I know it's difficult for Tennessee fans to see this, just as it is difficult for Vol fans to understand that many admire Geno, Walz, Mitchell, etc.

 

[Voluble2]

But I don't agree that she changed the game to any great extent. She was the force that got TN high school basketball to switch to a full court game for the girls. And whether you agree or not she was an icon for young women like Rupp and Wooden were for the men only more so. If she didn't change the game then they didn't either. Hell, Wooden had an agent out buying all his players... albeit it was likely without his knowledge. Rupp was just dirty in every way like Calipari is now. Pat matched and exceeded what they did just without all of the cheating. Women's sports was changed because the law changed and schools had to bring equality to the playing fields. She basically understood the new rules and ran with them and was at an age that allowed her to do it. Right place, right time. If she was 10 years older, she would have been established in a different career and never would have regressed to take a job at slave wages that no one else wanted. Every great person has to be at the right place at the right time. That is irrelevant. It's like discounting what Patton did because he would have missed WWII had he been born ten years earlier or later. And for the record, Pat's support of Title IX is a huge blemish on her legacy in my opinion. She built the game but it was on the backs of men's sports and cost the destruction of entire men's programs like wrestling etc... that were defunded as a consequence of Title IX. But the same goes for Geno and the rest who came later. I would not hold this against Pat except for the fact she supported the legislation and was a cheerleader for it. I also think you either forget or do not know how many years Pat coached before the NCAA was afflicted with Title IX. She had been the national runner up several times by that point so it is assuming facts not in evidence that she would not have been around later. The evidence, such as there is on something so speculative, points to the contrary since she had already been in the job for about 5 years and showed no signs of wanting a different career... quite the contrary.


I believe she stayed a bit too long, and her reputation outside Tennessee suffered for it. Her coaching didn't keep up, some nepotism crept in, she blundered with the Geno inuendos. She had cleaned up situations in the past where other coaches were cheating as part of her role as caretaker of the game. I think you are right that she took a PR hit but she did it for a reason and I think the message was received. She valued the integrity of the game a bit more than winning... or her own reputation for that matter. This should be considered a mark in her favor IMO. Recruiting slipped, and she didn't change with the times. This enabled others to catch up and lessened her status elsewhere. Parity was an inevitability. We won when we had the dominant player and it wasn't that long ago. I think she did slip a little in the last couple of years she coached due to the dementia. But most of the slippage talk before that was from people who either hated women's basketball or were fans of rivals who wanted to tear us down. In other words, it wasn't an honest opinion but was in service of an agenda. I know it's difficult for Tennessee fans to see this, just as it is difficult for Vol fans to understand that many admire Geno, Walz, Mitchell, etc. It is easy to see why people admire coaches who win. But Geno did not win all his games the right way and if he had not cheated to get a certain player then things might have turned out quite a bit differently don't you think? This is what tears UConn up more than anything because they know there is no question Pat always did things the right way and they cannot make that claim. I think Geno will go on to eclipse everything Pat accomplished by a substantial amount and would have done so even had he not resorted to shortcuts. But since he did there will always be an asterisk by what he accomplished after that point. I know this is hard for you to understand, but there are consequences to taking the easy route and it has nothing to do with which team you support. To the extent Pat slipped any in recruiting it was from not playing the game of winking at the rules or resorting to negative recruiting. And it had gotten really bad at one point with lots of really vile innuendos about the "gay culture" at certain programs and with open bigotry. I am very comfortable with winning fewer games by not engaging in that sort of thing. I would think any decent person would feel the same so I would like to believe you would be OK with that as well.

Pat's record is what it is. Geno is what he is. He will have a better record and he isn't all that bad a person. I would probably enjoy hanging out with him as much or more than Pat.

But he wasn't a pioneer and he isn't someone whom anyone would want their child to emulate when it comes to how they conduct themselves. What you think of the two depends upon how much emphasis you put on different qualities and what you find admirable in a person.

 

[Convoluted]

Voluble2, thanks for your rational response to the things I said. Too often here or on the Summitt, the response is a curt dismissal to anything not following the party line.

I agree with much of what you said, however, there are a few items with which I’ll disagree.

You said, She was the force that got TN high school basketball to switch to a full court game for the girls. This may be true, but the conversion to the 5 player full court game started in 1970, and many states had switched from the 6 player game by the time Pat came on the scene. I’m not arguing that Pat wasn’t a catalyst to switch to 5 players in Tennessee, but doing so was hardly ground breaking and certainly not a basketball game changer. The game had already changed and Tennessee wasn’t at the bleeding edge on this conversion.

I don't believe Rupp and Wooden changed the game, they were just great coaches who were successful, like Pat.

Who the cheaters are depends on what you read. I’ve heard many unsubstantiated stories about many coaches. Yes, even Pat’s reputation has been tainted by allegations of impropriety in her early years. How do you know Pat didn’t cheat?
So much that appears here and on the Summitt and elsewhere is pure speculation and fabrication. Without absolute proof, no one really knows and shouldn’t be spreading these rumors around. Just saying it on an internet site or in the newspaper doesn’t make it true.

I also think you either forget or do not know how many years Pat coached before the NCAA was afflicted with Title IX. Title IX was implemented in 1972. Pat started coaching in 1974. I don't see how you can say Title XI didn't help Pat's career.

But Geno did not win all his games the right way and if he had not cheated to get a certain player then things might have turned out quite a bit differently don't you think?

Care to elaborate on this? What did he do to cheat in games? What did he do to cheat in recruiting? People here like to make these claims, but no one comes up with any hard info. Just sounds like sour grapes. Everyone is unethical but us attitude. Please supply some facts to substantiate your statements.

But he wasn't a pioneer and he isn't someone whom anyone would want their child to emulate when it comes to how they conduct themselves. What you think of the two depends upon how much emphasis you put on different qualities and what you find admirable in a person.

I have to disagree with your assessment of Geno’s character. Yes, he’s brash and forthright with his comments, and some don’t like that style. But he’s a great father and husband in a long term stable marriage. His players and fans love him. He started from humble beginnings and succeeded on his own. What’s not to admire? I’d say he’s the same kind of pioneer that Pat is. Pat is the queen of Tennessee and Geno is the King of Connecticut. Tara is the queen of California, etc. Everyone has their local heroes. There's room for more than one hero in this world.

 

[Slydell]

Voluble2, thanks for your rational response to the things I said. Too often here or on the Summitt, the response is a curt dismissal to anything not following the party line.

I agree with much of what you said, however, there are a few items with which I’ll disagree.

You said, She was the force that got TN high school basketball to switch to a full court game for the girls. This may be true, but the conversion to the 5 player full court game started in 1970, and many states had switched from the 6 player game by the time Pat came on the scene. I’m not arguing that Pat wasn’t a catalyst to switch to 5 players in Tennessee, but doing so was hardly ground breaking and certainly not a basketball game changer. The game had already changed and Tennessee wasn’t at the bleeding edge on this conversion.

I don't believe Rupp and Wooden changed the game, they were just great coaches who were successful, like Pat.

Who the cheaters are depends on what you read. I’ve heard many unsubstantiated stories about many coaches. Yes, even Pat’s reputation has been tainted by allegations of impropriety in her early years. How do you know Pat didn’t cheat?
So much that appears here and on the Summitt and elsewhere is pure speculation and fabrication. Without absolute proof, no one really knows and shouldn’t be spreading these rumors around. Just saying it on an internet site or in the newspaper doesn’t make it true.

I also think you either forget or do not know how many years Pat coached before the NCAA was afflicted with Title IX. Title IX was implemented in 1972. Pat started coaching in 1974. I don't see how you can say Title XI didn't help Pat's career.

But Geno did not win all his games the right way and if he had not cheated to get a certain player then things might have turned out quite a bit differently don't you think?

Care to elaborate on this? What did he do to cheat in games? What did he do to cheat in recruiting? People here like to make these claims, but no one comes up with any hard info. Just sounds like sour grapes. Everyone is unethical but us attitude. Please supply some facts to substantiate your statements.

But he wasn't a pioneer and he isn't someone whom anyone would want their child to emulate when it comes to how they conduct themselves. What you think of the two depends upon how much emphasis you put on different qualities and what you find admirable in a person.

I have to disagree with your assessment of Geno’s character. Yes, he’s brash and forthright with his comments, and some don’t like that style. But he’s a great father and husband in a long term stable marriage. His players and fans love him. He started from humble beginnings and succeeded on his own. What’s not to admire? I’d say he’s the same kind of pioneer that Pat is. Pat is the queen of Tennessee and Geno is the King of Connecticut. Tara is the queen of California, etc. Everyone has their local heroes. There's room for more than one hero in this world.

Ah, I see the light.

 

[brassie]

Wouldn't it be refreshing and wouldn't it put an end to all the back and forth "Geno is a cheat" threads if just once, somebody would offer some proof of what he did that was so egregious.

Was it the "we'll buy you a house thing", was it the handbag thing, was it the lesbian thing, was it about ESPN tour, the cheeseburgers and fries? I keep reading all the accusations from all the folks that claim they know what happened, but no one seems willing to step up.

Why not?