George Will: Trump and his Congressional enablers must be voted out

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lawgator1 said:
I did not mean it as some sort of news that George Will dislikes him. I just think that so-called conservatives, especially Christian conservatives, should be appalled at Trump's behavior, especially of late.

Trump appears to me to be anti-Christian in pretty much every respect. His holding the Bible up like that was chilling.
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Then don't "just think" do us a service and just don't think because it's a bad look on you.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I did not mean it as some sort of news that George Will dislikes him. I just think that so-called conservatives, especially Christian conservatives, should be appalled at Trump's behavior, especially of late.

Trump appears to me to be anti-Christian in pretty much every respect. His holding the Bible up like that was chilling.
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HAIL SATAN!!

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Orange_Crush said:
Are you claiming that rudeness and divisiveness is inherently... how was it you put it? "...unapologetically in opposition to the values Christ taught?"

Like I said earlier, I'm not claiming Trump is Christ-like, and his mouth and attitude is one reason I couldn't in good conscience vote for him. But since you've set yourself up as the standard of who we Christians should be supporting, and you seem to be setting the standard of what is Christ-like, we should shore up whether we're talking about the same "Christ". History shows that you're not usually talking about the same Jesus we are at any given time.

"Divisiveness" is a value that is not Christ-like? Is that your final answer?
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I think all you need to know about Christ is what he taught as the 2 great commandments. All the rest is great at giving context and more thorough teaching...but he told us everything we really needed to know right there.

We can tease out every word and argue subjective points and make this go on forever, but I think you get that Trump is hateful, vindictive, contentious, unapologetic, unforgiving, dismissive, perverse (just name all the bad things in your head so I can stop typing) and is pretty much the opposite of what Jesus taught us how to be.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I think all you need to know about Christ is what he taught as the 2 great commandments. All the rest is great at giving context and more thorough teaching...but he told us everything we really needed to know right there.

We can tease out every word and argue subjective points and make this go on forever, but I think you get that Trump is hateful, vindictive, contentious, dismissive, perverse (just name all the bad things in your head so I can stop typing) and is pretty much the opposite of what Jesus taught us how to be.
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Fill in the blank for any democrat POS that is this way. Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Shumer, Adam Schiff all fill that bill. And you have the balls to put this on Trump? Your crappy ass party needs to look in the mirror and see what you're doing to our country.
 
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VolStrom said:
Fill in the blank for any democrat POS that is this way. Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Shumer, Adam Schiff all fill that bill. And you have the balls to put this on Trump? Your crappy ass party needs to look in the mirror and see what you're doing to our country.
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Don't vote for them either
 
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n_huffhines said:
I think all you need to know about Christ is what he taught as the 2 great commandments. All the rest is great at giving context and more thorough teaching...but he told us everything we really needed to know right there.

We can tease out every word and argue subjective points and make this go on forever, but I think you get that Trump is hateful, vindictive, contentious, dismissive, perverse (just name all the bad things in your head so I can stop typing) and is pretty much the opposite of what Jesus taught us how to be.
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Jesus said every word in the Bible is about Him, but "I think all you really need to know about Him is..."?

So, you want to tell us to use Christ as our values but get antsy when I go back to scripture to see what the Christian Christ was all about... Interesting. Note that I'm making a big deal about "The Christian Christ", as opposed to the one you're comfortable with, because it's Christian voting in question. We'll get to that in a second.

The real Jesus said in Luke 12 that He came to divide. Specifically. Purposefully. He came to divide households and families. In the same section, He said that He didn't come to bring peace on earth, but fire instead, and He wished it was already kindled.

So much for your master twin values of "nice", and "inclusive, non-divisive, non-offensive".

Paul said that anyone who preached a different gospel than him should burn in hell. Of these same people, he sarcastically said (of circumcision demands), "Hey, they want to cut off the tip? I wish they'd cut the entire thing off!"

So, Jesus was an offensive divider. Paul was an offensive divider. Those are your primo values, so you wouldn't let Christians vote for Jesus or Paul if they ran for office--all in the name of "the values taught by Jesus". But, hey... Let's not look at what the Bible says about Jesus. Your argument stands or falls on whether you can build a two-sentence caricature straw man and name him "the Christ".

That brings me to the real point here. You're not offended that Christians don't always vote according to all of their own values. You're offended that Christians don't always vote according to all of your values.

Jesus was offensive and divisive. You give me a choice between voting in a mean, mouthy, offensive, divisive President that will save baby lives, or a smooth talking, politically astute President that will stack the courts with more baby killing, I'll tell you that "nice" and "inclusive" aren't at the top of my values.

Trump is no Jesus. But it's not for you to enforce your caricature values on Christians.
 
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n_huffhines said:
The media and the opponents of the president are always going to sow discord, and they have been extra hard on Trump, but you have to be a complete idiot to suggest that Trump's hatefulness and divisiveness is a media creation. Are you suggesting that?
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I’m suggesting the 90% negative coverage of Trump has much more to do with the impression of “hatefulness and divisiveness” than any policies, actions or statements that Trump has made in the past the nearly 5 years since he announced his candidacy.

The media painted Trump as an actual Nazi. None of the doomsday predictions about a Trump presidency have come to pass. Coronavirus and George Floyd have nothing to do with Trump being in the White House.

How can you deny this?
 
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ajvol01 said:
I’m suggesting the 90% negative coverage of Trump has much more to do with the impression of “hatefulness and divisiveness” than any policies, actions or statements that Trump has made in the past the nearly 5 years since he announced his candidacy.

The media painted Trump as an actual Nazi. None of the doomsday predictions about a Trump presidency have come to pass. Coronavirus and George Floyd have nothing to do with Trump being in the White House.

How can you deny this?
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I don't watch the news. I don't go to MSM websites. I don't read the paper. They aren't telling me how to feel about him. Just read his twitter feed. It's all right there.
 
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ajvol01 said:
I’m suggesting the 90% negative coverage of Trump has much more to do with the impression of “hatefulness and divisiveness” than any policies, actions or statements that Trump has made in the past the nearly 5 years since he announced his candidacy.

The media painted Trump as an actual Nazi. None of the doomsday predictions about a Trump presidency have come to pass. Coronavirus and George Floyd have nothing to do with Trump being in the White House.

How can you deny this?
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Listen, he's done himself no favors. What was it with the reporter's menstrual flow? Etc? The man is a boar and an oaf.
 
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ajvol01 said:
I’m suggesting the 90% negative coverage of Trump has much more to do with the impression of “hatefulness and divisiveness” than any policies, actions or statements that Trump has made in the past the nearly 5 years since he announced his candidacy.

The media painted Trump as an actual Nazi. None of the doomsday predictions about a Trump presidency have come to pass. Coronavirus and George Floyd have nothing to do with Trump being in the White House.

How can you deny this?
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You can't be paying much attention. Trump's own words and actions have promoted hate and divisiveness the entire time he has been President. It's clearly on the record
 
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Orange_Crush said:
So, Jesus was being unChrist-like when he wrote that He raised Cyrus up for political purpose and a job to do? I think you skipped a post or two.

It's possible that they support some things about him while decrying others. Just like Ezra supported Cyrus as God's vessel to restore Jerusalem while not supporting all of the heinous things He did as the Persian king.

So, I'll ask you more specifically than I asked LG... Would it be less hypocritical for them to support a leftist that makes the murder of babies easier? No? OK. So it's convenient that you just argue Christians out of representation because there's no one perfect enough for us to publicly support, and we're all supposed to cower when you call us hypocrites?

Again, convenient.
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lawgator1 said:
I did not mean it as some sort of news that George Will dislikes him. I just think that so-called conservatives, especially Christian conservatives, should be appalled at Trump's behavior, especially of late.

Trump appears to me to be anti-Christian in pretty much every respect. His holding the Bible up like that was chilling.
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Yeah, there’s been a lot of worthless POS politicians/Presidents before Trump invoke God or the Bible along the way as nothing more than a stunt. It always comes across as a disingenuous photo op regardless of who’s doing it. If this is what the George Will or the left or anyone else is focused on, they got bigger problems than Trump.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Are you claiming that rudeness and divisiveness is inherently... how was it you put it? "...unapologetically in opposition to the values Christ taught?"

Like I said earlier, I'm not claiming Trump is Christ-like, and his mouth and attitude is one reason I couldn't in good conscience vote for him. But since you've set yourself up as the standard of who we Christians should be supporting, and you seem to be setting the standard of what is Christ-like, we should shore up whether we're talking about the same "Christ". History shows that you're not usually talking about the same Jesus we are at any given time.

"Divisiveness" is a value that is not Christ-like? Is that your final answer?
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If you don't vote for President Trump then you ain't white.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Are you claiming that rudeness and divisiveness is inherently... how was it you put it? "...unapologetically in opposition to the values Christ taught?"

Like I said earlier, I'm not claiming Trump is Christ-like, and his mouth and attitude is one reason I couldn't in good conscience vote for him. But since you've set yourself up as the standard of who we Christians should be supporting, and you seem to be setting the standard of what is Christ-like, we should shore up whether we're talking about the same "Christ". History shows that you're not usually talking about the same Jesus we are at any given time.

"Divisiveness" is a value that is not Christ-like? Is that your final answer?
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I think it depends on whats in your heart.

Promoting divisiveness and demeaning others' pain for selfish reasons, yes I think that is un Christ like.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I think it depends on whats in your heart.

Promoting divisiveness and demeaning others' pain for selfish reasons, yes I think that is un Christ like.
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I don't disagree, actually, which is why I've never flinched from pointing out that Trump is not Christ-like. My point to huff was that he was setting a couple of his pet values aside as what Christians should be concerned with, above others.

His answer was much like yours. Then don't vote for anyone. I truly don't see that standard shoved on too many other groups but Christians. "If you don't find a guy that exemplifies all of your values, then you're a dirty hypocrite for supporting them..."

It's convenient to say the least--that you find a way to try to humiliate the people that don't vote like you do into not voting. Well, we have nothing to be embarrassed about. We can hold our noses, support some things and criticize others, just as well as anyone else can.

Y'all should really get off this stump and try to win on the actual policies. I guarantee you most Christians know Trump isn't the epitome of our virtues. My hope is they are intellectual enough to tell you guys to stick it when you try this line of voter shaming.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
I don't disagree, actually, which is why I've never flinched from pointing out that Trump is not Christ-like. My point to huff was that he was setting a couple of his pet values aside as what Christians should be concerned with, above others.

His answer was much like yours. Then don't vote for anyone. I truly don't see that standard shoved on too many other groups but Christians. "If you don't find a guy that exemplifies all of your values, then you're a dirty hypocrite for supporting them..."

It's convenient to say the least--that you find a way to try to humiliate the people that don't vote like you do into not voting. Well, we have nothing to be embarrassed about. We can hold our noses, support some things and criticize others, just as well as anyone else can.

Y'all should really get off this stump and try to win on the actual policies. I guarantee you most Christians know Trump isn't the epitome of our virtues. My hope is they are intellectual enough to tell you guys to stick it when you try this line of voter shaming.
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I don't think that the theory that you have to adhere 100 % to your values is uniquely thrust on Christians. For example, when Islamic terrorism was in the news so much post 9/11 and really not too long ago here it was common for people on the board and Trump himself to complain that they did not think that US Muslims were doing enough to voice rejection of violence.

Similarly, I am saying that Christians SHOULD, in my opinion, be critical of Trump. Some are. But there seems to be this hesitation to actually move away from him. George Will has, though its not based on religion, its based on his perception that Trump does not embody conservative ideals.

And yes, there is an element of voter shaming to what I'm saying. But that's true of George Will, too. He is saying that real conservatives, real Republicans, would reject Trump and that those that go in lock step with him and defend him are betraying their ideals. I think real Christians, truly religious people of any stripe, should reject Trump.

Its broader than any one criteria for me. I think people should be ashamed they voted for Trump the first time and should clear their consciences by vowing to vote against him this time, even if Biden wins. I say this not out of any particular desire to see Biden win. I say it because Trump is SO awful a human being, SO toxic to the country, SO fraudulent and putrid of character that getting rid of him should be worth it even to Republicans such as to cause them to, at a minimum, not vote.
 
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ajvol01 said:
The title of this thread implies he did
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That was just lawgator1's title. The title of the article from The Huffington Post that was cited as a source for George Will's comments was "Conservative Icon George Will Urges November Sweep: Vote Out Trump, All GOP Enablers".
 
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