George Will: Trump and his Congressional enablers must be voted out

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BowlBrother85 said:
Most conservatives are willing to tolerate Trump's conduct because having him in office means having conservative judges appointed to the federal judiciary and the Supreme Court. George Will has been an exception to this, but that doesn't make him any less of a conservative than he has always been.
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Gorsuch was an awesome appointment but Kavanaugh is authoritarian state doodoo, so it's a wash. SCOTUS appointments can't save Trump's disastrous tenure. George Will will be on the right side of history.
 
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n_huffhines said:
The problem with this analogy is we didn't need Trump to do the job that he's doing. Protect and bless, LOL? How is monumental debt protecting and blessing us? God can do basic accounting and it's insulting to think that God would pick an ungodly man to do a terrible job protecting and blessing His people. If God had any involvement, why not pick a guy who can actually fix America? Why settle for someone who is, at best, barely better than Hillary?
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I agree, barely better was the only reason he was elected.
Had George written this 2 years ago before the mid term elections he might have actually gained some traction, but with the far left taking control of the Democratic party and sinking any candidate with any moderate leanings, has doomed them to lose this election - without interference. The actual turn out for both sides will be very telling. Joe Biden and John McCain are the same candidate for two different partys.
 
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bamawriter said:
I rarely agree with LG, and I doubt that we are coming at this situation from the same point of view.

But I do hate this. I hate the elected leader of my country cynically using the faith I hold dear as a tool of propaganda.
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Opinions vary. Here is Biden in a black church lying and fanning the flames of hate. Do you hate him too, for cynically using the faith you hold dear?

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NorthDallas40 said:
Only if you win at the ballot box. Thus far you don’t have a compelling case there. And don’t bother with one of your full page replies on polls and blah blah blah they’re meaningless right now.
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I won't post another poll, but if you don't think that there is a compelling case to be made against the re-election of Donald Trump, than you are not showing much awareness of who your own candidate is.
 
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utvolpj said:
So why should they not be allowed to view for the person they want to represent them? That's my hold up about term limits is being told who I can't vote for
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I'm just making the point that everyone on both sides complains about the way the country is run but they keep voting the people most responsible right back into office.

It's the definition of insanity. Just making a broad point nothing more.
 
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Ernest T. Vol said:
Opinions vary. Here is Biden in a black church lying and fanning the flames of hate. Do you hate him too, for cynically using the faith you hold dear?

A_20V4XR
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Is that what he's doing? Looks to me like he could be praying? Also, there is a gentleman in the background with a yarmulke. Are you sure that is a black church they are in?
 
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KB5252 said:
I'm just making the point that everyone on both sides complains about the way the country is run by the keep voting the people most responsible right back into office.

It's the definition of insanity. Just making a broad point nothing more.
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Right there with you but I get more discouraged every day. Part of that is based on what I read here too
 
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Ernest T. Vol said:
Opinions vary. Here is Biden in a black church lying and fanning the flames of hate. Do you hate him too, for cynically using the faith you hold dear?

A_20V4XR
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It definitely bugs me. But, to the best of my knowledge, he didn't use tear gas and rubber bullets in order to get that photo op.
 
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KB5252 said:
I'm just making the point that everyone on both sides complains about the way the country is run by the keep voting the people most responsible right back into office.

It's the definition of insanity. Just making a broad point nothing more.
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That's because nobody is willing to look at their own party. Democrats say it's the Republicans fault. Republicans say it's the Democrats fault. Voters buy into it.

The US political system is literally "us vs them" with both sides viewing themselves as the right one.
 
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Isaiah 45:
Thus says the Lord to his anointed, to Cyrus,
whose right hand I have grasped,
to subdue nations before him
and to loose the belts of kings,
to open doors before him
that gates may not be closed:
2 “I will go before you
and level the exalted places,[a]
I will break in pieces the doors of bronze
and cut through the bars of iron,
3 I will give you the treasures of darkness
and the hoards in secret places,
that you may know that it is I, the Lord,
the God of Israel, who call you by your name.
4 For the sake of my servant Jacob,
and Israel my chosen,
I call you by your name,
I name you, though you do not know me.
5 I am the Lord, and there is no other,
besides me there is no God;
I equip you, though you do not know me,
6 that people may know, from the rising of the sun
and from the west, that there is none besides me;
I am the Lord, and there is no other.
7 I form light and create darkness;
I make well-being and create calamity;
I am the Lord, who does all these things.


Ezra 1:
In the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the Lord by the mouth of Jeremiah might be fulfilled, the Lord stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, so that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom and also put it in writing:


2 “Thus says Cyrus king of Persia: The Lord, the God of heaven, has given me all the kingdoms of the earth, and he has charged me to build him a house at Jerusalem, which is in Judah. 3 Whoever is among you of all his people, may his God be with him, and let him go up to Jerusalem, which is in Judah, and rebuild the house of the Lord, the God of Israel—he is the God who is in Jerusalem. 4 And let each survivor, in whatever place he sojourns, be assisted by the men of his place with silver and gold, with goods and with beasts, besides freewill offerings for the house of God that is in Jerusalem.”

From the Expositor's Bible Commentary:

Cyrus instituted the enlightened policy of placating the gods of his subject peoples rather than carrying off their cult statues as the Assyrians, Elamites, Hittites, and Babylonians had done before. His generosity to the Jews was also paralleled by his benevolence to the Babylonians. Ultimately, however, it was the Lord who had "moved" his heart.
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Anyone want to explain why everyone else are given the leeway to vote for people they see as less than perfect, but not Christians? Anyone want to explain what part of the Christian faith demands that they only support perfect politicians, or that they can't believe God can use horrible, unChristian people for his purposes on earth? Even ungodly, pagan people that express respect for Yahweh and His Word, while not living up to it or aligning their life with it (i.e. see Cyrus).
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I won't post another poll, but if you don't think that there is a compelling case to be made against the re-election of Donald Trump, than you are not showing much awareness of who your own candidate is.
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No I’m pointing out yet again that this should be the easiest GOP incumbent to make a one term president EVER and you trotted out... (drum roll please)... creepy senile uncle joe. Well done.
 
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bamawriter said:
It definitely bugs me. But, to the best of my knowledge, he didn't use tear gas and rubber bullets in order to get that photo op.
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Parks Service has come out and said it was they who fired the canisters and they were smoke. And it was in response to their officers having water bottles thrown on them and protestors ignoring direction to get off of structures.
 
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Purple Tiger said:
LOL! I bet he quoted 2 Corinthians while he was there. The Evangelical Right will be furious he posed in front of an Episcopal Cathedral where women and gay people are ordained to ministry.

The Bishop of DC nearly had a stroke when she heard about this photo op. Now we Episcopalians will have to have the Cathedral exorcised.
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Nope. Just go ahead and raze the building and start over - if there is a god, it's going to whistle past that place.
 
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Purple Tiger said:
George Will is a widely respected, highly educated political thinker. Trump is white trash with money. Edge goes to Will.
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Donald Trump is currently the 45th President of the United States. George Will has a part time job as an analyst for MSNBC. Trump wins in a landslide
 
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bamawriter said:
I rarely agree with LG, and I doubt that we are coming at this situation from the same point of view.

But I do hate this. I hate the elected leader of my country cynically using the faith I hold dear as a tool of propaganda.
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That's a good way to put it. Faith should not be invoked in this manner, IMO, at all. And it absolutely should not be invoked if your appeal to it is for purposes of justifying harshness towards others. And that includes anything other than the peaceful protestors! Violent protestors or looters should not invoke God as supportive of them, either.

Everyone is frustrated and struggling to simultaneously defend their own perception of what the issues are and what has occurred, as well as to appreciate the other side.

And that is what is missing with Trump. His statement yesterday gave one stilted sentence or two to acknowledge the issue from the perspective of the minority communities, maybe 15 seconds, followed by 6 minutes of threats.

It just isn't what a leader does.

I am fine with him defending law and order. Who wouldn't be? The problem, is that he insists that those communities that feel wronged still obey law and order, but he seemingly won't show any sympathy for their point of view for fear it undermines his.

BOTH sides have to admit -- really admit and discuss -- the fact that the other side has a point. Otherwise we will get nowhere and this will be repeated.
 
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lawgator1 said:
That's a good way to put it. Faith should not be invoked in this manner, IMO, at all. And it absolutely should not be invoked if your appeal to it is for purposes of justifying harshness towards others. And that includes anything other than the peaceful protestors! Violent protestors or looters should not invoke God as supportive of them, either.

Everyone is frustrated and struggling to simultaneously defend their own perception of what the issues are and what has occurred, as well as to appreciate the other side.

And that is what is missing with Trump. His statement yesterday gave one stilted sentence or two to acknowledge the issue from the perspective of the minority communities, maybe 15 seconds, followed by 6 minutes of threats.

It just isn't what a leader does.

I am fine with him defending law and order. Who wouldn't be? The problem, is that he insists that those communities that feel wronged still obey law and order, but he seemingly won't show any sympathy for their point of view for fear it undermines his.

BOTH sides have to admit -- really admit and discuss -- the fact that the other side has a point. Otherwise we will get nowhere and this will be repeated.
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I've heard Trump say that the death was wrong and the family deserves justice. I've heard him say that there is need for peaceful protest, but violent protests and looting dishonor Mr. Floyd's memory. That sounds like admitting that the other side has a point.

But when he says that looting and violent rioting will not be tolerated, you paint him as...well, whatever this thread is.
 
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lawgator1 said:
That's a good way to put it. Faith should not be invoked in this manner, IMO, at all. And it absolutely should not be invoked if your appeal to it is for purposes of justifying harshness towards others.
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Dooley noted.

Romans 13:4--But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God's servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.
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