Georgia, etc. and Poaching

[Fullfillmer]

The landscape of college football is forever changing and not for the better. Georgia is going to need a lot more footballs and quarterbacks in order to make everyone happy.

They have recruited away (poached) Miss State's best receiver, Poached Missouri's best receiver, have multiple highly rated recruits coming in that are receivers.
Of course, they also tried to (poach) the North Carolina qb, apparently with an offer of 5M.

While they say that all is fair in love and war and while we are not directly affected, the imbalance created across NCAA football is pretty disturbing.
It is all about money, whoever has the most NIL money wins. Schools like Oklahoma and Miami are awful on the field but killing it in recruiting.
Why should schools like Miss State, Missouri, Vanderbilt even try to field a team if each year their best players are stolen or purchased away.

This seems to me to be all kinds of messed up. NIL and college football needs some sort of salary cap and some sort of rule limiting transfers.
(Note: I would not want to be in Georgia's receiving core room - knowing next year you might be replaced by a receiver from Baylor or somewhere else.)

Georgia and Miami seem to be throwing around the most money - Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A and M, Alabama

I am not offering up any answers or solutions, just observing how messed up this appears to be.

 

[VOLnVANDYland]

NIL ain’t goin anywhere, but I think they should institute a one time transfer rule and go back to having to sit out a season. Otherwise the poaching by “the haves” programs will continue. To fix college football there needs to be more parity not less.

 

[VOLnVANDYland]

Add in the KD effect (weakest move in sports history) type mindset and here we are….

 

[J C Higgins]

The landscape of college football is forever changing and not for the better. Georgia is going to need a lot more footballs and quarterbacks in order to make everyone happy.

They have recruited away (poached) Miss State's best receiver, Poached Missouri's best receiver, have multiple highly rated recruits coming in that are receivers.
Of course, they also tried to (poach) the North Carolina qb, apparently with an offer of 5M.

While they say that all is fair in love and war and while we are not directly affected, the imbalance created across NCAA football is pretty disturbing.
It is all about money, whoever has the most NIL money wins. Schools like Oklahoma and Miami are awful on the field but killing it in recruiting.
Why should schools like Miss State, Missouri, Vanderbilt even try to field a team if each year their best players are stolen or purchased away.

This seems to me to be all kinds of messed up. NIL and college football needs some sort of salary cap and some sort of rule limiting transfers.
(Note: I would not want to be in Georgia's receiving core room - knowing next year you might be replaced by a receiver from Baylor or somewhere else.)

Georgia and Miami seem to be throwing around the most money - Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A and M, Alabama

I am not offering up any answers or solutions, just observing how messed up this appears to be.

Don't forget Oregon.

 

[SLODAWG]

The landscape of college football is forever changing and not for the better. Georgia is going to need a lot more footballs and quarterbacks in order to make everyone happy.

They have recruited away (poached) Miss State's best receiver, Poached Missouri's best receiver, have multiple highly rated recruits coming in that are receivers.
Of course, they also tried to (poach) the North Carolina qb, apparently with an offer of 5M.

While they say that all is fair in love and war and while we are not directly affected, the imbalance created across NCAA football is pretty disturbing.
It is all about money, whoever has the most NIL money wins. Schools like Oklahoma and Miami are awful on the field but killing it in recruiting.
Why should schools like Miss State, Missouri, Vanderbilt even try to field a team if each year their best players are stolen or purchased away.

This seems to me to be all kinds of messed up. NIL and college football needs some sort of salary cap and some sort of rule limiting transfers.
(Note: I would not want to be in Georgia's receiving core room - knowing next year you might be replaced by a receiver from Baylor or somewhere else.)

Georgia and Miami seem to be throwing around the most money - Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A and M, Alabama

I am not offering up any answers or solutions, just observing how messed up this appears to be.

You're also not offering any proof UGA or anyone else offered Drake Maye 5mil.

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

Kirb's stole Ra-Ra so we couldn't get him...
Why Kirby Smart now looks foolish for the comments he made after Georgia beat Tennessee earlier this season

 

[Vol in Buckeye Land]

Something has to be done to ensure NIL is used the way it was intended. Hendon and Hyatt’s NIL deals or Alontae’s Cookie Monster deal are perfect examples. Players create value and are able to capitalize.

NIL should not be a recruiting tool. Maybe a rule where players can’t be contacted for NIL opportunities or have any conversation related to NIL until after their first game. Penalties should be stiff. I’m talking “We found email that your collective sent to a high schooler. Your program is getting the death penalty” type strict. That’s the level of severity needed to make it effective, imo.

 

[SLODAWG]

Kirb's stole Ra-Ra so we couldn't get him...
Why Kirby Smart now looks foolish for the comments he made after Georgia beat Tennessee earlier this season

How does that comment make Kirby look foolish? It was an accurate statement. He would have looked foolish (and hypocritical) if he said something about never taking someone from the portal then taking someone.

 

[Fullfillmer]

You're also not offering any proof UGA or anyone else offered Drake Maye 5mil.

Nor will I, but anecdotally, it was inferred by Mack Brown the coach at NC that the usual suspects, those that currently ranked highest in the recruiting rankings (or their NIL entities) had made the attempt. To be fair, it could have been Alabama and Miami,
or anybody else, but when he said that, I personally thought Georgia and Alabama with Georgia being the most likely. He is not going to actually come out and say who it is, but for me he narrowed it down to a very small hand full of schools. I also think
he tossed out the dollar amount, but I could be wrong on him being the source there, but the amount had to come from somebody at North Carolina.

 

[GAVol]

How does that comment make Kirby look foolish? It was an accurate statement. He would have looked foolish (and hypocritical) if he said something about never taking someone from the portal then taking someone.

It's not really a big deal, but he knows how the sausage gets made and just for a second he put a foot into Dabo Swinney territory.

We all know the tampering is happening and the NIL collectives are running the show. No point in pretending everybody that can isn't playing the game.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

Ryan Callahan on our 247 site, Vols 247 has specifically said UGA is not one of the schools throwing alot of money at recruits. Think about it, who needs to pay above the market rate for recruits, the teams who are already winning at an elite level and putting lots of people in the League (like Bama, Ohio State and UGA) or the teams who have alot of money but not much else going for them (Texas A&M and Miami)? It's the latter, just like it's the fat girls who promise to put out for a prom date. This is common sense.

 

[Fullfillmer]

"Smart essentially solidified himself as a hypocrite this week." Don't shoot the messenger - national media.

 

[SLODAWG]

Nor will I, but anecdotally, it was inferred by Mack Brown the coach at NC that the usual suspects, those that currently ranked highest in the recruiting rankings (or their NIL entities) had made the attempt. To be fair, it could have been Alabama and Miami,
or anybody else, but when he said that, I personally thought Georgia and Alabama with Georgia being the most likely. He is not going to actually come out and say who it is, but for me he narrowed it down to a very small hand full of schools. I also think
he tossed out the dollar amount, but I could be wrong on him being the source there, but the amount had to come from somebody at North Carolina.

I wonder what good comes from a guy with the stature of Mack Brown tossing out half-baked allegations with zero evidence, or with evidence but too cowardly to name names. If he's bothered enough to make claims he ought to back it up. If it happened, call people out.

 

[Fullfillmer]

How does that comment make Kirby look foolish? It was an accurate statement. He would have looked foolish (and hypocritical) if he said something about never taking someone from the portal then taking someone.

Semantics.

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

How does that comment make Kirby look foolish? It was an accurate statement. He would have looked foolish (and hypocritical) if he said something about never taking someone from the portal then taking someone.

It doesn't make him look foolish in my opinion. That is not my point.

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

Think about it, who needs to pay above the market rate for recruits, the teams who are already winning at an elite level and putting lots of people in the League (like Bama, Ohio State and UGA) or the teams who have alot of money but not much else going for them (Texas A&M and Miami)? It's the latter, just like it's the fat girls who promise to put out for a prom date. This is common sense.

Purty much....

 

[vols40]

How does that comment make Kirby look foolish? It was an accurate statement. He would have looked foolish (and hypocritical) if he said something about never taking someone from the portal then taking someone.

Stop. That was exactly the intent of him making a foolish comment like that. He can recruit I'll give him that but he is an average at best game day coach. No one I can think of doing less with more than this tool. My opinion is he's very lucky Bama best receiver was not playing in the championship game had he been it's possible those 15 first round picks don't win the rematch

 

[J C Higgins]

The landscape of college football is forever changing and not for the better. Georgia is going to need a lot more footballs and quarterbacks in order to make everyone happy.

They have recruited away (poached) Miss State's best receiver, Poached Missouri's best receiver, have multiple highly rated recruits coming in that are receivers.
Of course, they also tried to (poach) the North Carolina qb, apparently with an offer of 5M.

While they say that all is fair in love and war and while we are not directly affected, the imbalance created across NCAA football is pretty disturbing.
It is all about money, whoever has the most NIL money wins. Schools like Oklahoma and Miami are awful on the field but killing it in recruiting.
Why should schools like Miss State, Missouri, Vanderbilt even try to field a team if each year their best players are stolen or purchased away.

This seems to me to be all kinds of messed up. NIL and college football needs some sort of salary cap and some sort of rule limiting transfers.
(Note: I would not want to be in Georgia's receiving core room - knowing next year you might be replaced by a receiver from Baylor or somewhere else.)

Georgia and Miami seem to be throwing around the most money - Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A and M, Alabama

I am not offering up any answers or solutions, just observing how messed up this appears to be.

This is the reason the NFL draft system is conducted in reverse order of draft picks. It was a business decision. They realized it would destroy their game to have the same few teams winning the Super Bowl every year.

College football will eventually die out without some way to distribute talent more evenly. The 85 man roster limit was instituted in an attempt to prevent a few teams from loading up but the transfer and NIL deals have rendered that limitation worthless.

 

[jp1]

I wonder what good comes from a guy with the stature of Mack Brown tossing out half-baked allegations with zero evidence, or with evidence but too cowardly to name names. If he's bothered enough to make claims he ought to back it up. If it happened, call people out.

You think a guy of Browns stature is going to throw out that allegation without evidence?

 

[jp1]

Stop. That was exactly the intent of him making a foolish comment like that. He can recruit I'll give him that but he is an average at best game day coach. No one I can think of doing less with more than this tool. My opinion is he's very lucky Bama best receiver was not playing in the championship game had he been it's possible those 15 first round picks don't win the rematch

The top half of your post is right. The bottom half is not.

 

[Fullfillmer]

I wonder what good comes from a guy with the stature of Mack Brown tossing out half-baked allegations with zero evidence, or with evidence but too cowardly to name names. If he's bothered enough to make claims he ought to back it up. If it happened, call people out.

It's a coaching fraternity. You can't really name names or call people out. People were trying to poach Miss State recruits and players the week that Leach died. No one was specifically named, but incredibly poor taste just the same.
No offense, but I have no interest in chatting with a Ga. fan. Scurry back to your dog pin, kennel, whatever, so I can chat with Vols. Doesn't your team have a site?

 

[GAVol]

I wonder what good comes from a guy with the stature of Mack Brown tossing out half-baked allegations with zero evidence, or with evidence but too cowardly to name names. If he's bothered enough to make claims he ought to back it up. If it happened, call people out.

He's not going any further than that. It's a shot across the bow to make it known that he knows. Nothing more.

 

[Raebo]

I imagine UT is among the leaders as far as their athletes total NIL deals. Could be the leader for all I or anyone else knows. We should not be throwing stones at any other program for their NIL deals IMO.
Their have always been about 5 elite college football programs and then everyone else. With NIL and the transfer portal maybe there will be a new set of “elite” programs in 3 or 4 years.

 

[rickyyrs]

NIL ain’t goin anywhere, but I think they should institute a one time transfer rule and go back to having to sit out a season. Otherwise the poaching by “the haves” programs will continue. To fix college football there needs to be more parity not less.

I believe Saben and Kirby have been using it for years. It's probaly where Pruitt learned it. Nick and Kirby does not like it now because everyone can use it.

 

[SLODAWG]

Stop. That was exactly the intent of him making a foolish comment like that. He can recruit I'll give him that but he is an average at best game day coach. No one I can think of doing less with more than this tool. My opinion is he's very lucky Bama best receiver was not playing in the championship game had he been it's possible those 15 first round picks don't win the rematch

How quickly you moved from Kirby's comment to his inability to coach to tossing shade at Georgia's championship, which i think is where your real problem with Kirby is. Dawgs won the title. You'll be happier when you accept it.