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#26
#26
Sea Ray said:
Who cares how much money Barnes makes? Would it change your life in any way if they paid him $2mill less per year? It's not like we're dealing with a salary cap
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It’s not just the money, but fact is if you get paid top 5 money you accept top 5 expectations. Pretty simple.

But really, if Barnes hadn’t openly said he wanted to leave for UCLA and only didn’t b/c of a money issue then the season looks a bit different.
 
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#27
Cartervol said:
Not much talent there.. I like Barnes, we probably overpaid for him, that's the case with most coaches though. He found some diamonds in Williams and Schofield. Looks like he has mostly coal this year. Talent coming next year, still no post really to speak of.. The 7 footer looks slow and clumsy.
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The talent void is on Barnes. And he didn’t recruit Admiral.
VolGee4 said:
Too tolerant of what? We better damn be tolerant of a coach who inherited a mess, took us to #1, and now has 3 top 40 players coming in next year. I think it’s the other way- we have some fans who make outrageous claims.
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Inherited a mess how many years ago? I think that’s the point - if you can take the program from basement to #1 then a season like this is not acceptable. That doesn’t mean fire him. It means it should be made clear, by his boss, that such seasons are not acceptable and will only be tolerated if very few and far between.
 
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Billy Ratliff said:
The talent void is on Barnes. And he didn’t recruit Admiral.

Inherited a mess how many years ago? I think that’s the point - if you can take the program from basement to #1 then a season like this is not acceptable. That doesn’t mean fire him. It means it should be made clear, by his boss, that such seasons are not acceptable and will only be tolerated if very few and far between.
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We aren’t a program that goes to #1 every year. If that’s your expectation, then whatever. Our history shows what kind of program we have been. He developed a program and put us there. He lost 4 of those players, and this was always going to be an up and down year. It’s what happens to programs like ours. Next year will get much better.
 
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Jack Burton said:
People don’t like it but we’re here because of 2 recruiting classes that only have Pons to show for it. Then key contributors leave early so there’s not much behind them to fill the gap. It’s roster mismanagement no doubt. I’m not saying Barnes is a bad coach, or needs to be fired, but simply we’re here because of roster mismanagement.

Next year we have possibly our best class ever arriving. The key is to make sure the class after that doesn’t have so many misses to make sure this doesn’t happen again.
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If the class holds together, there will probably be a couple of one and done. Hope we can continue to recruit 3* nobody's and turn them into AA's.
 
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So Barnes is too good at developing players? So IF Bone and Williams were less developed, they may NOT have left early and would be filling our current gaps? Maybe Barnes should pace his development to ensure players hang around a full 4 years?

I’m guessing if they were both still around, we’d be bitching about a lack of bench strength, rotational depth, and the fact we’d be too gassed to go deep in the tourney.
 
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iKrager said:
Nah man, we have diamonds this year. The difference being, Schofield and Williams needed time to polish. Just like our current roster.

Pons = year 3 he’s been a beast
Vescovi = beast
JJJ = will keep getting better
Fulkerson = has gotten waaay better and will have a breakout senior year

The others are freshmen, making freshmen mistakes.
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Making to much sense here.
 
#33
#33
Bunch of malcontents are always lurking around waiting for an opportunity to tare down the program.
 
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Billy Ratliff said:
The talent void is on Barnes. And he didn’t recruit Admiral.

Inherited a mess how many years ago? I think that’s the point - if you can take the program from basement to #1 then a season like this is not acceptable. That doesn’t mean fire him. It means it should be made clear, by his boss, that such seasons are not acceptable and will only be tolerated if very few and far between.
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Timelines and contextual facts apparently are not your friend but, if they were, you wouldn't be able to b*tch so carry on...lol
 
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Cartervol said:
Not much talent there.. I like Barnes, we probably overpaid for him, that's the case with most coaches though. He found some diamonds in Williams and Schofield. Looks like he has mostly coal this year. Talent coming next year, still no post really to speak of.. The 7 footer looks slow and clumsy.
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Convenient how you overlook Bone, Alexander, Fulkerson, Bowden, and Pons who have all outperformed their rankings.
 
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1200DPI said:
He'll coach them. Don't think he cares about the quality of players his assistants bring in.

He just wants to coach and develop.

This year's roster looks like one Donnie Tyndall might throw together in a week or two.

Hoping last minute additions of Vescovi and Plavsic might save the day. Hoping for a miracle.

This fan base is too forgiving, too tolerant.
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Since we the fans are too tolerant and too forgiving please explain to us what should happen to CRB in your opinion and how that helps our program.
 
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#38
The Turner injury and Bowden's play have really hurt us, Those two were supposed to help carry us. Pons and Fulky are giving you there all most nights. JJJ and vescobie are learning on the job.
 
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MinisterofDef#92 said:
Timelines and contextual facts apparently are not your friend but, if they were, you wouldn't be able to b*tch so carry on...lol
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Feel free to peruse the board and point out all of my posts bitching about Barnes. Criticism of how he’s prepared for and handled this specific season is valid, for all the reasons I previously mentioned ITT.
 
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VolGee4 said:
We aren’t a program that goes to #1 every year. If that’s your expectation, then whatever. Our history shows what kind of program we have been. He developed a program and put us there. He lost 4 of those players, and this was always going to be an up and down year. It’s what happens to programs like ours. Next year will get much better.
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I never said we should expect to be #1 every year. But going from #1 to missing the tournament is not ok, IMO. Roster mgmt from year to year is a huge part of a HC’s job. Our BB history is not really relevant to how Barnes has failed to keep any post players on the roster and our BB history obviously didn’t interfere with us hitting #1 last season, or under Bruce Pearl.
 
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Fan> Fanatic > a person filled with excessive and single-minded zeal, especially for an extreme religious or political cause.
 
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I don't think it was too hard to see this season happening this way after losing four of the key starters from last year and the sixth man coming off the bench. We just don't seem to have any alphas out there, no one taking a leadership role. Pons and Bowden are the closest to it and they act more like role players much of the time. This team desperately needs someone to step up.
 
#45
#45
We got help coming, All we can hope for is they are able to salvage the season and end strong...Everybody knew it was gonna be a rough season after losing 4 starters...We'll be fine...I trust coach Barnes
 
#46
#46
If someone said at the beginning of the year we were going to lose Turner and be 12-8 people would jump on it! You can't lose your best player and not expect to skip a beat. LT was not only our best player, he was our Alpha dog and leader. If we needed a big time shot he was our guy. We have some real bozos for fans it's sad. It's like they don't remember the mess Barnes got us out of.

Next year we have everyone coming back but Bowden. We'll be able to slide Vescovi over to the 2 where he can be a catch and shoot 3 point specialist where he is best. We have a player in Victor Bailey who has been practicing and playing with the team and has been learning the system all year and by the looks of it is a decent shooter (shot 40% from 3 and 91% from the ft line last season). We're adding 3 top 40 players. Fulkerson and Pons will continue to improve and will emerge as leaders. Then Josiah will also improve. I think one of the other 3 freshman Pember, Gaines, and/or ORN will take a step forward. The future is bright and everyone with a brain knew it'd be a rebuilding year with an outside shot at the tourney. This happens with every program around the country. They have down years.
 
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Stoked said:
If someone said at the beginning of the year we were going to lose Turner and be 12-8 people would jump on it! You can't lose your best player and not expect to skip a beat. LT was not only our best player, he was our Alpha dog and leader. If we needed a big time shot he was our guy. We have some real bozos for fans it's sad. It's like they don't remember the mess Barnes got us out of.

Next year we have everyone coming back but Bowden. We'll be able to slide Vescovi over to the 2 where he can be a catch and shoot 3 point specialist where he is best. We have a player in Victor Bailey who has been practicing and playing with the team and has been learning the system all year and by the looks of it is a decent shooter (shot 40% from 3 and 91% from the ft line last season). We're adding 3 top 40 players. Fulkerson and Pons will continue to improve and will emerge as leaders. Then Josiah will also improve. I think one of the other 3 freshman Pember, Gaines, and/or ORN will take a step forward. The future is bright and everyone with a brain knew it'd be a rebuilding year with an outside shot at the tourney. This happens with every program around the country. They have down years.
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In the off-season JJJ will be taking the same leadership course that Grant took.
 
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The 7 footer looks slow and clumsy.[/QUOTE]
which is why players that size are a waste of scholarship anymore -- this isnt the 60s and 70s when a guy that size can dominate
 
#49
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Billy Ratliff said:
It’s not just the money, but fact is if you get paid top 5 money you accept top 5 expectations. Pretty simple.

But really, if Barnes hadn’t openly said he wanted to leave for UCLA and only didn’t b/c of a money issue then the season looks a bit different.
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If you expect top 5 results in a season that he loses 4 players to the NBA and his senior PG to injury then your expectations are unreasonable. What is reasonable is to expect highly ranked recruiting classes and a return to prominence in the next yr or two. Too soon to judge on that.
 
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Billy Ratliff said:
It’s not just the money, but fact is if you get paid top 5 money you accept top 5 expectations. Pretty simple.

But really, if Barnes hadn’t openly said he wanted to leave for UCLA and only didn’t b/c of a money issue then the season looks a bit different.
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I wonder how UCLA fans are doing with the crumb they got instead of Barnes
 
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