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#77
#77
calban said:
So you're guaranteein us an NIT invite? Nothing wrong with that. Good to be optimistic.
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Not guaranteeing anything, what’s the difference between 17 and a NIT invite and 16 sitting at home? Not sure there’s much to brag about with either...apparently NIT appearances are considered successful season by you though? Good to know.
 
#78
#78
bleedingTNorange said:
So if Barnes had won one more game last year your opinion would be a complete 180? Call me skeptical.
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Be skeptical all you want but yes that was my expectation for last year... you can go back and look from middle of season last year and I stated my expectations for the team was to accomplish 1 of 3 things. Either win sec regular season, or win sec tournament, or make the elite 8. I stated it in the middle of the year last year. But anyway those were just my expectations, they don’t really matter but yes I would have been content.
 
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Alex10 said:
Be skeptical all you want but yes that was my expectation for last year... you can go back and look from middle of season last year and I stated my expectations for the team was to accomplish 1 of 3 things. Either win sec regular season, or win sec tournament, or make the elite 8. I stated it in the middle of the year last year. But anyway those were just my expectations, they don’t really matter but yes I would have been content.
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You realize how foolish that is right? Your opinion varies that much based on a very questionable foul call to end a game? So the ref swallows his whistle and Barnes is that much better of a coach all of a sudden? Interesting take.
 
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#80
#80
bleedingTNorange said:
You realize how foolish that is right? Your opinion varies that much based on a very questionable foul call to end a game? So the ref swallows his whistle and Barnes is that much better of a coach all of a sudden? Interesting take.
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It’s foolish to set goals? In everything in life most people set goals for things whether they can control them or not. No I don’t think it’s foolish at all. Purdue really shouldn’t have been close enough to have a call here or there determine that game. We played absolutely miserable in the first half of that game and much of it was self inflicted. I realize my expectations aren’t yours but again just because my opinion isn’t the same as yours does not make my opinion dumb or wrong. If you can’t understand that I can’t help you.
 
#81
#81
bleedingTNorange said:
Not guaranteeing anything, what’s the difference between 17 and a NIT invite and 16 sitting at home? Not sure there’s much to brag about with either...apparently NIT appearances are considered successful season by you though? Good to know.
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I thought 17 wins was pretty optimistic for this team. Your opinion about the NIT isn't in question.
 
#82
#82
Alex10 said:
It’s foolish to set goals? In everything in life most people set goals for things whether they can control them or not. No I don’t think it’s foolish at all. Purdue really shouldn’t have been close enough to have a call here or there determine that game. We played absolutely miserable in the first half of that game and much of it was self inflicted. I realize my expectations aren’t yours but again just because my opinion isn’t the same as yours does not make my opinion dumb or wrong. If you can’t understand that I can’t help you.
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Not what I’m saying at all...you have an opinion that is obviously fairly critical of Barnes, yet you are admitting your opinion would be a complete 180 and all of a sudden he’s a better coach if a referee simply decides to swallow his whistle? That’s what is crazy to me. Your opinion on his ability as a coach or the job he’s doing could literally swing from one end to the complete other based on a result that could’ve changed without anything to do with his actual coaching ability, that’s what is crazy to me.
 
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#84
Thunder Good-Oil said:
He's the exact same coach when making $3mm or $5mm. The difference is that UCLA drove up the demand for future HOF coaches and he benefited financially. TN had the option of matching the offer or starting over again with it's 5th coach in about 10 years.
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Which was the right move. But it does change everyone’s perspective a bit, imo.
 
#85
#85
MinisterofDef#92 said:
Your opinion (which is fine...it's a message board...lol) but don't expect everyone to agree that it is valid (i.e., well grounded and just) to criticize CRB given the facts and a basic understanding of b-ball timelines.

Is CRB accountable and responsible for results...of course! But, if you do not see the direct cause/effect between this year and CRB's first 2 seasons, the recruiting timeline, and players leaving the program early (some to the NBA, some to other teams, and 1 just MIA) then I cannot help you as there were many fans who knew this season was going to be a down year just not to what degree (and that's before we lost our best player on both sides of the ball!).

Lastly, based on your earlier post, do you honestly think either Fulmer or CRB think this season is "acceptable" so far or that Fulmer has not clearly communicated his expectations to CRB? I suspect this season and the reaction from certain fans is exactly why CRB sought greater commitment from Fulmer (as part of the UCLA situation) as a hedge against a down year.

Just my opinion of course so, as I said earlier, carry on.
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I see the causes, effects, and didn’t expect this to be a great year. I think Fulmer and Barnes would both say they are disappointed with this season, which is, uh, exactly what I am saying.
 
#86
#86
cncchris33 said:
You didn't address the point of my post in any single way. Your entire response is simply a rant about his salary and UCLA flirtation, so it seems clear where your real disappointment lies.

To that point, he received his raise in April. There wasn't much he could do to turn around this roster at that point, and then he loses his most experienced player As I said, we seemingly led for a very good player at both positions that we are currently weakest, at one point, and missed on both. In April, or later, the pickings are slim. He has since done a great job at upgrading the talent to the level expected by his salary increase. We just won't see the results until next season.

Not sure how much simpler I can explain that. But I have a feeling your anger wouldn't be any different if he received no raise and was coaching for $3.5 million, this year. The expectation would still be that there is no excuse to go from #1 to not making the NCAAT. The fact is, circumstances sometimes just dictate a sharper downturn than expected. It has happened to Calupari, Coach K, Roy Williams, etc. This isn't unique to Barnes.
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Sure I did. Rant? LOL. Anger? Please.

A bad season and roster mistakes/mishaps are certainly not unique to Barnes, I never said they were. Are fans disappointed when UNC, KY, or Duke underachieve? Of course. Does that mean they want to fire their HOF coach? Of course not. Except certain special KY fans...
 
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#88
bleedingTNorange said:
Not what I’m saying at all...you have an opinion that is obviously fairly critical of Barnes, yet you are admitting your opinion would be a complete 180 and all of a sudden he’s a better coach if a referee simply decides to swallow his whistle? That’s what is crazy to me. Your opinion on his ability as a coach or the job he’s doing could literally swing from one end to the complete other based on a result that could’ve changed without anything to do with his actual coaching ability, that’s what is crazy to me.
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If he would have had the team ready to play from the tip in that game a call here or there would not have mattered, I put that on the coach. But I also stated in earlier post that wasn’t my only way to a successful season. Again, if they had done 1 of 3 things ( win sec reg season, win sec tournament, advance to elite 8.) I would have considered the season successful, I actually thought doing just one of those things was a very reasonable expectation for that team. They had every opportunity in the world to accomplish one of those things, yet they fell short time and time again. I’m really not sure why that seems crazy to you. It’s like saying “ I made a 68 on my test which is a failing grade but I was only 1 right question away from a passing grade so how can you consider my grade failing?” Winners win and losers make excuses. If you don’t agree with me that’s fine but that’s how I go through life.
 
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#89
bleedingTNorange said:
How does it happen to Roy? How’d it happen to Billy D? What about Calipari? Howland? Calhoun?
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How many Final Fours and National Titles did those guys win for their school? Because comparing those guys (other than maybe Howland) is hilarious.

If Barnes had won anything meaningful in the postseason, I believe more people would be willing to forgive this season.
 
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#90
bleedingTNorange said:
I don’t think many would consider NIT to be a successful season, I’m surprised you would, but glad to clear that up.
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Putting words in my mouth? I said optimistic not successful. Remember I said they'd be pressed to win 15. still think that's about right.
 
#91
#91
zjcvols said:
How many Final Fours and National Titles did those guys win for their school? Because comparing those guys (other than maybe Howland) is hilarious.

If Barnes had won anything meaningful in the postseason, I believe more people would be willing to forgive this season.
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Convenient though. They all had at least one NIT season. I think.
 
#92
#92
Alex10 said:
If he would have had the team ready to play from the tip in that game a call here or there would not have mattered, I put that on the coach. But I also stated in earlier post that wasn’t my only way to a successful season. Again, if they had done 1 of 3 things ( win sec reg season, win sec tournament, advance to elite 8.) I would have considered the season successful, I actually thought doing just one of those things was a very reasonable expectation for that team. They had every opportunity in the world to accomplish one of those things, yet they fell short time and time again. I’m really not sure why that seems crazy to you. It’s like saying “ I made a 68 on my test which is a failing grade but I was only 1 right question away from a passing grade so how can you consider my grade failing?” Winners win and losers make excuses. If you don’t agree with me that’s fine but that’s how I go through life.
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And a call from an official changes Barnes from a winner to a loser just like that, got it.
 
#93
#93
How about we hire another up & comer and hope for the best results since Barnes makes too much money? 🤔
 
#95
#95
VolFreakJosh said:
How about we hire another up & comer and hope for the best results since Barnes makes too much money? 🤔
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Can you show one post in this thread advocating for the firing of Barnes? Just one? It’s your go every single time, somebody criticizes Barnes “WELL WHO YA GUNA GIT?” yet nobody ever says to fire him.
 
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#96
zjcvols said:
Can you show one post in this thread advocating for the firing of Barnes? Just one? It’s your go every single time, somebody criticizes Barnes “WELL WHO YA GUNA GIT?” yet nobody ever says to fire him.
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Then why all the “overpaid” talk?

Do you think Barnes isn’t worth his salary right now?
 
#97
#97
zjcvols said:
How many Final Fours and National Titles did those guys win for their school? Because comparing those guys (other than maybe Howland) is hilarious.

If Barnes had won anything meaningful in the postseason, I believe more people would be willing to forgive this season.
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Do you need a list of coaches that haven’t won a national title that are considered good coaches and have had “down” years? You’re smarter than that, but I’ll play along...

Chris Holtmann: year 3 at Ohio State and they are 13-7, currently outside looking in at NCAAT

Leonard Hamilton: 7 NCAAT appearances in 18 years at FSU

Mike Brey: 12 NCAAT appearances in 19 years at ND

Buzz Williams: 3 NCAAT appearances in 5 years at VT

Scott Drew: 8 NCAAT appearances in 16 seasons at Baylor

Jamie Dixon: 1 NCAAT appearance in 3 seasons at TCU

Brad Underwood: 0 NCAAT appearances at Illinois

Archie Miller: 0 NCAAT appearances at Indiana

Tad Boyle: 4 NCAAT appearances in 8 seasons at Colorado
 
#98
#98
calban said:
Putting words in my mouth? I said optimistic not successful. Remember I said they'd be pressed to win 15. still think that's about right.
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Then you changed one game later, and then changed back one more game later...come back in 5 games.
 
#99
#99
VolFreakJosh said:
Then why all the “overpaid” talk?

Do you think Barnes isn’t worth his salary right now?
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Is he worth 5M? No.

Is it my money? No. So it doesn’t truly matter.

Should making top 5 money raise expectations? I think that’s a fair statement.

Just because I think he’s overpaid doesn’t mean he should be fired however. And again nobody says that.
 
#100
#100
Alex10 said:
Good god man can you not freaking read? That’s what you got out of my post? Holy crap. I’m done with you bud please just leave me alone.
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You wrote a lot of words to essentially say just that...again if you can’t see why allowing your opinion of Barnes to vary THAT much over what could’ve been missed free throws by an opposing players then obviously you are the one struggling.
 
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