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Billy Ratliff said:
Which was the right move. But it does change everyone’s perspective a bit, imo.
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I think that is a fair statement for next year and beyond. As I said before, the timing of his raise and the remaining available talent weren’t likely to do this year’s team any favors. Judge his performance relative to his salary on what he has actually had a chance to fairly influence. He signed a top 5 class, and hopefully that will lead to more success starting with the 2020-21 season. Judging this year and ramping up expectations for it based on a merit/market valuation increase in his salary in April isn’t fair.
 
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zjcvols said:
Is he worth 5M? No.

Is it my money? No. So it doesn’t truly matter.

Should making top 5 money raise expectations? I think that’s a fair statement.

Just because I think he’s overpaid doesn’t mean he should be fired however. And again nobody says that.
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Serious question....if in 2 years $5m is no longer Top 5, or even Top 15 nationally, do you and the others saying his salary raised expectations now lower your expectations?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Then you changed one game later, and then changed back one more game later...come back in 5 games.
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When did I change. i said after the SC win they'd struggle to win 15 games. Never saw anything to change my mind. Also said after the Vandy game if team 1 showed up even for a half, the games would likely be losses. Try again.
 
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calban said:
When did I change. i said after the SC win they'd struggle to win 15 games. Never saw anything to change my mind. Also said after the Vandy game if team 2 showed up even for a half, the games would likely be losses. Try again.
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You came back saying you were grouchy and didn’t mean all the negative stuff you were spewing.

What’d we set it at 15.5?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
You realize how foolish that is right? Your opinion varies that much based on a very questionable foul call to end a game? So the ref swallows his whistle and Barnes is that much better of a coach all of a sudden? Interesting take.
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We can all find excuses for the loose. A player got hot, a bad call, whatever, His point is UT failed to achieve any of his goals. The only one that sounds foolish here is BTO.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
You came back saying you were grouchy and didn’t mean all the negative stuff you were spewing.

What’d we set it at 15.5?
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I apologized for the mean attitude, not my opinion about the team. There's also a difference between grouchy and manic.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Do you need a list of coaches that haven’t won a national title that are considered good coaches and have had “down” years? You’re smarter than that, but I’ll play along...

Chris Holtmann: year 3 at Ohio State and they are 13-7, currently outside looking in at NCAAT

Leonard Hamilton: 7 NCAAT appearances in 18 years at FSU

Mike Brey: 12 NCAAT appearances in 19 years at ND

Buzz Williams: 3 NCAAT appearances in 5 years at VT

Scott Drew: 8 NCAAT appearances in 16 seasons at Baylor

Jamie Dixon: 1 NCAAT appearance in 3 seasons at TCU

Brad Underwood: 0 NCAAT appearances at Illinois

Archie Miller: 0 NCAAT appearances at Indiana

Tad Boyle: 4 NCAAT appearances in 8 seasons at Colorado
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How many of those missed tournaments in year 5? What’s the program expectations? What are they getting paid? Tons of questions there.

You think it’s okay for Barnes to miss the tournament in year 5 of a tenure because of the regular season success the last two years. I think the expectation should be to make the tournament every year and I’m less willing to forgive personally with the lack of postseason success. It is what it is.
 
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zjcvols said:
How many of those missed tournaments in year 5? What’s the program expectations? What are they getting paid? Tons of questions there.

You think it’s okay for Barnes to miss the tournament in year 5 of a tenure because of the regular season success the last two years. I think the expectation should be to make the tournament every year and I’m less willing to forgive personally with the lack of postseason success. It is what it is.
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I think it’s fair to be disappointed in missing the tournament in year 5 following two very successful years. However, I don't think it’s fair to be disappointed by that simply because Barnes makes $1.5 million more dollars now than he did last season.

Basically saying, I have no problem with folks who are upset that we haven’t fixed a talent problem to prevent these kinds of lulls in success. If that is the source of ire, then that, IMO, is a fair argument, and one that has hopefully been addressed with the 2020 class, and will continue to be addressed moving forward.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
You wrote a lot of words to essentially say just that...again if you can’t see why allowing your opinion of Barnes to vary THAT much over what could’ve been missed free throws by an opposing players then obviously you are the one struggling.
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So you didn’t read where I said he had multiple paths to a successful season in my eyes yet missed on them all? Because from what you keep saying your not comprehending that. No one call did not make me decide Barnes was a loser, again there were multiple paths to a successful season for me, they did not reach any of them... can you not understand this? I feel like I’m in crazy land here.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Serious question....if in 2 years $5m is no longer Top 5, or even Top 15 nationally, do you and the others saying his salary raised expectations now lower your expectations?
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Who else is getting paid? Where does he rank in terms of conference? What have the last two years looked like? Why such a sudden spike in salaries? Why hasn’t Barnes received a raise?

All questions I think are fair before I could probably asses that. I’m not even asking for top 5 results BTW. I don’t expect a top five program.
 
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Billy Ratliff said:
I never said we should expect to be #1 every year. But going from #1 to missing the tournament is not ok, IMO. Roster mgmt from year to year is a huge part of a HC’s job. Our BB history is not really relevant to how Barnes has failed to keep any post players on the roster and our BB history obviously didn’t interfere with us hitting #1 last season, or under Bruce Pearl.
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So, remember how Memphis had the #1 class? Remember how Memphis' fans whined relentlessly because they were ranked in the teens preseason and not appropriately ranked in the Top 5? Two days ago, one Memphis writer laid out a scenario they will need to accomplish to make sure they make it to the Big Dance?

ANY team in ANY given year is subject to factors totally beyond a coaches' control. All the factors Tennessee has faced this year to create the perfect storm, which in essence, decimated our chances of having a good year. Keep complaining, keep whining......but Rick isn't going anywhere. Your rhetoric isn't working. Keep trying if you wish, but most of us are reasonable folks who know that these things just happen sometimes.
 
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cardvolfan said:
So, remember how Memphis had the #1 class? Remember how Memphis' fans whined relentlessly because they were ranked in the teens preseason and not appropriately ranked in the Top 5? Two days ago, one Memphis writer laid out a scenario they will need to accomplish to make sure they make it to the Big Dance?

ANY team in ANY given year is subject to factors totally beyond a coaches' control. All the factors Tennessee has faced this year to create the perfect storm, which in essence, decimated our chances of having a good year. Keep complaining, keep whining......but Rick isn't going anywhere. Your rhetoric isn't working. Keep trying if you wish, but most of us are reasonable folks who know that these things just happen sometimes.
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So a guy with 33 years experience who's had at least 3 years to put a roster together and fix his guard and front court problems can say sorry, but 's## happens' and everyone should be okay with it. How would your boss react to that attitude?
 
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zjcvols said:
How many of those missed tournaments in year 5? What’s the program expectations? What are they getting paid? Tons of questions there.

You think it’s okay for Barnes to miss the tournament in year 5 of a tenure because of the regular season success the last two years. I think the expectation should be to make the tournament every year and I’m less willing to forgive personally with the lack of postseason success. It is what it is.
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So, get us a coach who will make it to the FF every year. One that will win an SEC championship every year. ANY ideas? By your criteria, Mears, Wettig, Devoe, Houston, O'Neill, Green, Peterson, Pearl, Tyndall, and Barnes are all failures. Maybe history might just give you a clue that what you want every year doesn't happen here regularly. IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I think it’s fair to be disappointed in missing the tournament in year 5 following two very successful years. However, I don't think it’s fair to be disappointed by that simply because Barnes makes $1.5 million more dollars now than he did last season.

Basically saying, I have no problem with folks who are upset that we haven’t fixed a talent problem to prevent these kinds of lulls in success. If that is the source of ire, then that, IMO, is a fair argument, and one that has hopefully been addressed with the 2020 class, and will continue to be addressed moving forward.
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I think that’s a fair opinion that you have regarding the salary. And I think it’s fair for people to be disappointed that Barnes got a huge salary raise and will miss the tournament. How wimpy of me lol.
 
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cardvolfan said:
So, get us a coach who will make it to the FF every year. One that will win an SEC championship every year. ANY ideas? By your criteria, Mears, Wettig, Devoe, Houston, O'Neill, Green, Peterson, Pearl, Tyndall, and Barnes are all failures. Maybe history might just give you a clue that what you want every year doesn't happen here regularly. IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
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Where did I say we should fire Barnes? Where did I say we should get a new coach?
 
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calban said:
So a guy with 33 years experience who's had at least 3 years to put a roster together and fix his guard and front court problems can say sorry, but 's## happens' and everyone should be okay with it. How would your boss react to that attitude?
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I'm retired.
 
#117
#117
Is idea that because you criticize a coach means you immediately want him fired a VN thing? Does that happen at other places? Good gracious.
 
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#122
cardvolfan said:
So, your statements CLEARLY indicate your disenchantment. I assume you would rather keep this Coach so you can criticize?
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Yes I’m not thrilled with the current season. A lot of people aren’t. Barnes is not perfect. He will tell ya that and criticism is fair when warranted. Last year people were (rightfully) singing his praises and this year there is criticism. That’s the name of the game.
 
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