Get Ready For Nd Part 2

[WP99ND06]

Originally posted by GoVolsDogg@May 28, 2005 2:15 PM
Just like I said, the "look at our schedule" argument comes up.

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Read it again, and this time read it aloud so you understand what I was saying. I am pretty sure I included the phrase "I will agree that ND plays some cupcakes". That would be an admission that I agree with you regarding our schedule.

I don't make any assumptions as to the "type" of UT fan you are, so don't classify me as "every other" ND fan.

 

[GoVolsDogg]

Originally posted by WP99ND06@May 28, 2005 5:41 PM
Read it again, and this time read it aloud so you understand what I was saying.  I am pretty sure I included the phrase "I will agree that ND plays some cupcakes". That would be an admission that I agree with you regarding our schedule.

I don't make any assumptions as to the "type" of UT fan you are, so don't classify me as "every other" ND fan.

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Difference is all ND fans does think that their schedule is superior to all other teams and they use it as a crutch when people talk about how they've fared the past couple seasons.

 

[WP99ND06]

Originally posted by GoVolsDogg@May 28, 2005 6:33 PM
Difference is all ND fans does think that their schedule is superior to all other teams and they use it as a crutch when people talk about how they've fared the past couple seasons.

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When did I 1) refer to ND's schedule as "superior" or 2) use it as a crutch? YOU brought up the schedule piece (see post #33), all I have done it defend my comments from UT fans who've made assumptions about the intentions of my posts. Furthermore, I am agreeing with you about our schedule - my only dissent was UT regularly schedules a couple "toss-away" games like UAB, Wyoming, Memphis, Duke, UNLV, La Tech, La Monroe, etc. UT plays Vandy every year (conf. game), just like ND plays Navy for tradtion. (Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Navy play Vandy last year and beat them?) Bottom line - every team has lulls in their schedule.

I said it a few posts back, and I repeat - just trying to discuss the topic with some other college football fans - I don't know what put you in attack mode, but give it a rest. I'm not here to pick a fight or start an arguement, just reading up on a Notre Dame opponent because I am curious to see what their fans think.

 

[GoVolsDogg]

Originally posted by WP99ND06@May 28, 2005 6:58 PM
When did I 1) refer to ND's schedule as "superior" or  2) use it as a crutch?  YOU brought up the schedule piece (see post #33), all I have done it defend my comments from UT fans who've made assumptions about the intentions of my posts. Furthermore, I am agreeing with you about our schedule - my only dissent was UT regularly schedules a couple "toss-away" games like UAB, Wyoming, Memphis, etc.  I said it a few posts back, and I repeat - just trying to discuss the topic with some other college football fans - I don't know what put you in attack mode, but give it a rest.

I'm not here to pick a fight or start an arguement, just reading up on a Notre Dame opponent because I am curious to see what their fans think.

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We think ND sucks

In all honesty, I hate ND because of another school I cheer for, you don't have a rivalry with them but both schools don't like each other one bit. I've met and talked with a lot ND fans and they all have come off as big homers that think their school and schedule are vastly superior to everyone else's. Obviously there will be some fans that are objective moreso than others, but the majority of ND fans that I've met and talked with all have that holier than thou attitude about their program.

Notre Dame will be mediocre for a long while, they can't get the recruits in anymore, part due to their recent slide and mostly due to their academic requirements for incoming freshmen. The novelty of playing for the historic Notre Dame has worn off now, and kids are rather to choose Miami, USC, Oklahoma etc. to play football for considering those schools are national title contenders along and they accept just about anyone with a 750 SAT or higher. Maybe Weis will turn it around, but it's still going to be tough to get a top 10 recruiting class each year when you have to meet a 1200 SAT to be Accepted at Notre Dame, I believe Urban Meyer asked ND to tone down the academic requirements for scholarship football players and was denied, which is the reason he chose Florida over ND. He knew that he couldn't get that program to elite status due to not being able to compete with the elite schools in recruiting, especially considering where they are located at(only a few hours away from powerhouses Michigan and Ohio State, tough to bring in top athletes in that Great Lakes region with thsoe 2 schools nearby.)

I hope that looks about as unbaised as possible, as much as I don't like Notre Dame, I do truly believe that thy'll just be a mediocre school for a good long while. Weis will have to gameplan and creat his O and D around the guys that they bring in and have a big 3-5 year plan in order for ND to be up with the best again, but it's going to take a lot of work.

 

[Freak]

Originally posted by GoVolsDogg@May 28, 2005 7:11 PM
We think ND sucks

In all honesty, I hate ND because of another school I cheer for, you don't have a rivalry with them but both schools don't like each other one bit. I've met and talked with a lot ND fans and they all have come off as big homers that think their school and schedule are vastly superior to everyone else's. Obviously there will be some fans that are objective moreso than others, but the majority of ND fans that I've met and talked with all have that holier than thou attitude about their program.

Notre Dame will be mediocre for a long while, they can't get the recruits in anymore, part due to their recent slide and mostly due to their academic requirements for incoming freshmen. The novelty of playing for the historic Notre Dame has worn off now, and kids are rather to choose Miami, USC, Oklahoma etc. to play football for considering those schools are national title contenders along and they accept just about anyone with a 750 SAT or higher.  Maybe Weis will turn it around, but it's still going to be tough to get a top 10 recruiting class each year when you have to meet a 1200 SAT to be Accepted at Notre Dame, I believe Urban Meyer asked ND to tone down the academic requirements for scholarship football players and was denied, which is the reason he chose Florida over ND. He knew that he couldn't get that program to elite status due to not being able to compete with the elite schools in recruiting, especially considering where they are located at(only a few hours away from powerhouses Michigan and Ohio State, tough to bring in top athletes in that Great Lakes region with thsoe 2 schools nearby.)

I hope that looks about as unbaised as possible, as much as I don't like Notre Dame, I do truly believe that thy'll just be a mediocre school for a good long while. Weis will have to gameplan and creat his O and D around the guys that they bring in and have a big 3-5 year plan in order for ND to be up with the best again, but it's going to take a lot of work.

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nice post

 

[WP99ND06]

I guess it will take a couple years to see if your words ring true. In the meantime, I will just have to remember all of this come November when the Vol fans travel to ND.

Thanks for remaining so cordial... <_<

 

[U-T]

Originally posted by WP99ND06@May 28, 2005 6:26 PM
I guess it will take a couple years to see if your words ring true.  In the meantime, I will just have to remember all of this come November when the Vol fans travel to ND.

Thanks for remaining so cordial... <_<

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Anytime

 

[jasonms20]

For a group of people that take so much pride in winning conference titles I hope you&#39;re aware that TN has only won 2 conference titles in the past 15 years and those were in the late 1990&#39;s. Tennesse is a regional program that had a good run while Peyton was there (and obviously one year after he left). While ND may be down, they are still in the national spotlight. TN is an off-Broadway production that still revels in precieved past glories, while they are pretty much a non-story out of the southeast United States. I live nowhere near ND but see ND gear everywhere. I also live nowhere near TN, but I haven&#39;t seen a TN cap since that late 1990&#39;s (unless you count watching Bill Dance on TV). See you in the fall&#33;

WE ARE ND&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

 

[U-T]

Originally posted by jasonms20@May 29, 2005 3:34 PM
For a group of people that take so much pride in winning conference titles I hope you&#39;re aware that TN has only won 2 conference titles in the past 15 years and those were in the late 1990&#39;s.

You are right.....so lets take all of our wins since 1990 and see how that compares to everyone else throughout the country.

Winning % since 1990:

Tennessee - #4
Notre Dame - #19

http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/record...e=on&by=Win+Pct

Next question?

 

[U-T]

I mean, you have got to be kidding me about Notre Dame being a premier program.

You fired your coach and got laughed at throughout the entire country.
Urban Meyer laughed at your job when UF came along
You almost lost your contract with NBC because of the pathetic ratings.

Your school is such a has-been its hilarious.

How has recruiting gone the last few years?

2004 - #32
2003 - #12
2002 - #24

Premiar Program? :lol: :lol:

 

[milohimself]

You&#39;re probably right, but for God&#39;s sake, you&#39;re telling US that we&#39;ve got the problem with hanging too much on past glories? Take a look around, boy&#33; Notre Dame is still living on a reputation it hasn&#39;t had in DECADES&#33; I&#39;m aware that Tennessee has underachieved given the amount of talent we&#39;ve pulled in through recent history, but at least our program is still maintaining a level of respectability.

Notre Dame is still floundering, remembering the days of guys like Rockne. The truth is that until the Domers boosters drop their impossible expectations of immediate success, glory and national championship runs, ND will never have a good foothold with which to start. They are too selective of their players, and are even driving their own alumni away from coaching positions because they can&#39;t bring in decent talent.

Face it man, we may have some minor problems with underachieving and living of past (if recently passed) glories, but nowhere near the problems that Notre Dame has. The program in South Bend is run by noone but elitists to the very highest level and will never succeed until those idiots learn the meaning of "reasonable expectations."

 

[volbrian]

Originally posted by jasonms20@May 29, 2005 3:34 PM
For a group of people that take so much pride in winning conference titles I hope you&#39;re aware that TN has only won 2 conference titles in the past 15 years and those were in the late 1990&#39;s.  Tennesse is a regional program that had a good run while Peyton was there (and obviously one year after he left).  While ND may be down, they are still in the national spotlight.  TN is an off-Broadway production that still revels in precieved past glories, while they are pretty much a non-story out of the southeast United States.  I live nowhere near ND but see ND gear everywhere.  I also live nowhere near TN, but I haven&#39;t seen a TN cap since that late 1990&#39;s (unless you count watching Bill Dance on TV).  See you in the fall&#33;

WE ARE ND&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

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WRONG&#33; You couldnt be more wrong.

What we say we we are members of a conference. In this case, THE BEST conference in the nation. And since we are considered an elite team (year in and year out) of that conference, we are an elite team nationally.

ND got to where it is by Knute Rockne playing patsies year in and year out. Play maybe only 3 top tier programs a season and I guess any college team would be ranked high in wins. Since ND refuses to join a conference, they can schedule all sorts of patsies and get the easy wins. You will keep piling up your 6-7 wins a season, but you will never challenge for another MNC.

UT, top 8 NCAA team in all time wins, IN SPITE of the fact we are playing along side Alabama in the same conference.

 

[U-T]

Originally posted by jasonms20@May 29, 2005 3:34 PM
I live nowhere near ND but see ND gear everywhere.  I also live nowhere near TN, but I haven&#39;t seen a TN cap since that late 1990&#39;s

I have lived in several cities throughout California, Tempe (AZ), Atlanta (GA), Tampa (FL), and New Orleans and have yet to ever see maybe several ND things.

In contrast, I have seen tons and tons of Tennessee stickers, hats, and shirts.

 

[milohimself]

Originally posted by volbrian@May 29, 2005 2:16 PM
ND got to where it is by Knute Rockne playing patsies year in and year out.  Play maybe only 3 top tier programs a season and I guess any college team would be ranked high in wins.  Since ND refuses to join a conference, they can schedule all sorts of patsies and get the easy wins.  You will keep piling up your 6-7 wins a season, but you will never challenge for another MNC.

UT, top 8 NCAA team in all time wins, IN SPITE of the fact we are playing along side Alabama in the same conference.

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I&#39;m sorry man, but as an objective debater, I have to throw out some stats here.

Division I-A All-time wins

1. Michigan - 841
2. Notre Dame - 802
3. Nebraska - 794
4. Texas - 786
5. Ohio State - 765
6. Alabama - 764
7. Penn State - 761
8. Tennessee - 747
9. Oklahoma - 746
10. USC - 720

Division I-A All-Time Winning Percentage

1. Michigan - 0.745
2. Notre Dame - 0.743
3. Oklahoma - 0.711
4. Alabama - 0.710
5. Ohio State - 0.709
6. Texas - 0.709
7. Nebraska - 0.707
8. Tennessee - 0.699
9. USC - 0.697
10. Penn State - 0.685

All-Time Strength of Schedule Points

1. Michigan - 786.74
2. Georgia - 748.65
3. Northwestern - 746.15
4. Texas - 744.08
5. Notre Dame - 741.61
6. Auburn - 733.19
7. Georgia Tech - 731.90
8. Alabama - 728.69
9. LSU - 727.4
10. 722.06
. . .
23. Tennessee - 667.38

Sure, Tennessee is one of the better programs of all-time, but not as good as Notre Dame.

 

[milohimself]

Originally posted by U&#045;T@May 29, 2005 2:27 PM
I have lived in several cities throughout California, Tempe (AZ), Atlanta (GA), Tampa (FL), and New Orleans and have yet to ever see maybe several ND things.

In contrast, I have seen tons and tons of Tennessee stickers, hats, and shirts.

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I am also quite well-traveled and am more used to seeing Notre Dame paraphernalia, but that&#39;s just me.

 

[U-T]

Not me......I have yet to really see anything ND for years now

 

[milohimself]

Then that&#39;s just you.

 

[OWB]

I have been all over the country too and I don&#39;t see many ND things. Like UT, I have seen a bunch of Tennessee stuff. Everytime I go anywhere on vacation, I am always talking to a Vol fan at some point. I even ran into one in a ghost town is South Dakota.....

 

[U-T]

Originally posted by milohimself@May 29, 2005 5:05 PM
Then that&#39;s just you.

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Or maybe its just that you have seen the few that do wear them.

Ask around work and none of 10 others who have also traveled around not only the US but world have ever seen much of anything Notre Dame wise either.

Good story of mine is that there are two bars/resturants owned in Sacramento/Orange County that are run by Tennessee grads.

Spent a lot of time there during my years in the state

 

[U-T]

BTW, since 1980.....

Winning % wise

Tennessee - #6
Notre Dame - #19

http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/record...e=on&by=Win+Pct

Since 1970....

Winning % wise

Tennessee - #7
Notre Damn - #12

Do I see a trend?

 

[milohimself]

Originally posted by U&#045;T@May 29, 2005 3:11 PM
Or maybe its just that you have seen the few that do wear them.

Ask around work and none of 10 others who have also traveled around not only the US but world have ever seen much of anything Notre Dame wise either.

Good story of mine is that there are two bars/resturants owned in Sacramento/Orange County that are run by Tennessee grads.

Spent a lot of time there during my years in the state

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:lol: Moot conversation. Debating the significance of two football teams in the national landscape is a bit more interesting than playing a nation-wide game of I Spy college football swag. It&#39;s also on topic with the thread.

 

[milohimself]

I got bored and made a graph of winning percentages for each team since 1950... ND is in blue, Tennessee in orange.

 

[la.lovesorange]

Originally posted by jasonms20@May 29, 2005 2:34 PM
For a group of people that take so much pride in winning conference titles I hope you&#39;re aware that TN has only won 2 conference titles in the past 15 years and those were in the late 1990&#39;s.  Tennesse is a regional program that had a good run while Peyton was there (and obviously one year after he left).  While ND may be down, they are still in the national spotlight.  TN is an off-Broadway production that still revels in precieved past glories, while they are pretty much a non-story out of the southeast United States.  I live nowhere near ND but see ND gear everywhere.  I also live nowhere near TN, but I haven&#39;t seen a TN cap since that late 1990&#39;s (unless you count watching Bill Dance on TV).  See you in the fall&#33;

WE ARE ND&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

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Well, I live 4 states away from TN and there are more UT flags in my neighborhood than LSU ones&#33;&#33;&#33; :bow: This is the south buddy, you are not gonna see alot of ND crap here&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; Im also kinda happy there are not too much UT gear in yankee land&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

Remember:
We are the VOLS&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; :worship: :worship: :worship:

 

[milohimself]

Originally posted by la.lovesorange@May 29, 2005 5:03 PM
Im also kinda happy there are not too much UT gear in yankee land&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

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Why&#39;s that?

 

[GoVolsDogg]

Originally posted by milohimself@May 29, 2005 5:51 PM
I&#39;m sorry man, but as an objective debater, I have to throw out some stats here.

Division I-A All-time wins

1. Michigan - 841
2. Notre Dame - 802
3. Nebraska - 794
4. Texas - 786
5. Ohio State - 765
6. Alabama - 764
7. Penn State - 761
8. Tennessee - 747
9. Oklahoma - 746
10. USC - 720

Division I-A All-Time Winning Percentage

1. Michigan - 0.745
2. Notre Dame - 0.743
3. Oklahoma - 0.711
4. Alabama - 0.710
5. Ohio State - 0.709
6. Texas - 0.709
7. Nebraska - 0.707
8. Tennessee - 0.699
9. USC - 0.697
10. Penn State - 0.685

All-Time Strength of Schedule Points

1. Michigan - 786.74
2. Georgia - 748.65
3. Northwestern - 746.15
4. Texas - 744.08
5. Notre Dame - 741.61
6. Auburn - 733.19
7. Georgia Tech - 731.90
8. Alabama - 728.69
9. LSU - 727.4
10. 722.06
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23. Tennessee - 667.38

Sure, Tennessee is one of the better programs of all-time, but not as good as Notre Dame.

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UT is not better all-time as a program, but we&#39;re sure a hell of a lot better currently.