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#78
#78
emainvol said:
again, and one point that i tried to make, is that it can be carried without the knowledge of the carrier. so again, i think that the hpv vaccine, along with any future vaccine for herpes, HIV, etc. should be mandatory. sexual health is a real issue. while i do understand that there are those that make this into more or less a moral issue, i don't necessarily understand why.
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Sexual health is a real issue. I just don't think we have enough information on HPV to this point to warrant a mandatory vaccination. The percentage of infected people that develop cancer from this appears to be very small. I would imagine the risk from the vaccination itself "could" present more health problems than HPV does.

More people die every year from the flu and yet the flu shot is not mandatory nor do I think it should be.
 
#79
#79
OWB said:
The government forcing anything on people is wrong, hence my point about abortion. It's a choice that the person should be able to make.
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There is a difference. The vaccine in question is the government requiring a medical procedure. Laws against abortion are the government preventing a medical procedure (a moot point since abortion is legal).

It may seem like a meaningless difference but there is a distinction.

A second and more fundamental difference is that the vaccine law would be one that is aimed to force protection on an individual. The abortion issue is one where the law is distinguishing between the right of one person to choose to kill another (whether or not you believe it is a life - it is close enough to be an issue for debate and thus the government is erring to protect assuming they banned abortion).

Whether you are pro-abortion or anti-abortion, I don't see these as equivalent issues.
 
#82
#82
better yet, why isn't there a vaccine for negavols? :p

:lol:
 
#83
#83
vol_freak said:
More people die every year from the flu and yet the flu shot is not mandatory nor do I think it should be.
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Wow . . . Freak shows up in the Politics forum and comes strong. I cannot argue with you there.
 
#84
#84
volinbham said:
I think this is the trump card statement. The flu not only kills more - it is much more contagious.
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So double glove and wash your hands alot to be safe all around.....seriously though , don't many schools require other types of vaccinations?
 
#85
#85
volmanjr said:
So double glove and wash your hands alot to be safe all around.....seriously though , don't many schools require other types of vaccinations?
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Hand washing; wearing condoms or abstinence ---- you say tomato...

Schools require vaccinations for highly contagious diseases with the goal of preventing the spread and as in the case of diseases like Polio and Smallpox, de facto erradication.

HPV isn't anywhere close to these diseases in terms of communicability.
 
#89
#89
That's true, but none of the other vaccinations are for STDs. They are for more easily communicable diseases, such as smallpox and chicken pox, which place the entire student body at risk.
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Okay but I am not so sure the assumption made is a persuasive one, at least not to me. One assumes HPV is not as "easily communicable disease" as those other infections you mention or not close enough as those you mention. This is quite simply a false assumption. Any sexually active person will come across this common infection. Human Papilloma Virus is the most common and prevalent STD in the United States. HPV INFO 20 million, or 1 out of every 13 people: The approximate number of people who have the human papillomavirus (HPV), with over 5 million becoming infected annually. More shocking, 50 to 75% of sexually active men and women in the United States will acquire HPV at some point in their lives.
HPV Stats Nearly 40 million people in the United States are infected with HPV

I am not inclined to believe a disease with these numbers does not come close enough as those other "easily communicable disease." It seems to me a disease with these types of numbers demonstrates it is an"easily communicable." I disease which is difficult to spread, a disease which is not "easily communicable" is not going to boast these numbers. HPV eclipses HIV/AIDS in terms of the number of people transacted with the virus. 800,000 to 900,000 people living with HIV/AIDS in the United States, roughly one out of every 345 people. HPV Facts Compare to the following statistics regarding those infected with HPV. 20 million, or 1 out of every 13 people: The approximate number of people who have the human papillomavirus (HPV), with over 5 million becoming infected annually. More shocking, 50 to 75% of sexually active men and women in the United States will acquire HPV at some point in their lives.


So I do not think the facts support the assumption HPV is not an "easily communicable disease" as those others or close enough as those other infections which are "easily communicable" to justify a required vaccination.

I want to focus upon another assumption.

which place the entire student body at risk.
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Does the assumption an STD, such as HPV, does not put the entire student body at risk make sense? It makes sense if we are talking about a celibate student body. However, when we are talking about a sexually active student body, where monogamy is not practiced, or it is practiced but in such a way there is still promiscuity through and by the use of frequent break-ups and becoming sexually active with the next boyfriend/girlfriend, then an STD, such as HPV, is a risk to the entire student body. The members of the student body which have HPV did not innocently and through no fault of their own contract the virus. The members of the student body which have unfortunately contracted HPV did so by engaging in sexual intercourse or oral sex with another individual which already had the disease. Every time those infected sleep with someone in their class or school they are placing people at risk. A student with HPV who is also sexually active is a risk and a threat to everyone and any one they sleep with from their class and school.

A fact which exacerbates this risk to the student body is that the student, or students, with HPV may not know they have contracted it. Most people who get HPV never know they have it, as they do not develop genital warts, abnormal Paps, or other manifestations of HPV that they can identify.
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I think an STD of any kind is a threat to the entire student body but most assuredly HPV is a threat to a sexually active student body. So unless there exists celibate and abstinent student bodies in the U.S. school system, then HPV is a threat to them.

That's true, but none of the other vaccinations are for STDs. They are for more easily communicable diseases, such as smallpox and chicken pox, which place the entire student body at risk.
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Finally, I reject the assumption this should even be the standard in answering this question. The focus should be upon whether or not the disease is communicable and if so is it communicable among a specific class? If it is not limited to a specific class but is generally communicable and the consequences are severe, such as an impaired immune system from HIV and eventually death, or cancer from HPV, then a vaccine should be required.
 
#90
#90
Let's take chicken pox. A kid shows up at school with chicken pox. It is contagious before most symptoms occur. It is transmitted via the air, contact with objects (phone, doorknob, desk) and via direct contact.

This one kid could infect an entire class, possibly school merely by showing up.

For the same type of spread to occur with HPV - everyone in the class or school would have to have sex with each other.

The fact that HPV may be contracted by so many is also stretched over the person's life time. HPV cannot spread as quickly as a disease such as chicken pox, measles or even the flu.

Chicken-pox is one more newer vaccine in our armamentarium against infectious diseases. Due to its extremely contagious nature, varicella is experienced by almost every child or young adult in the world. Each year from 1990 to 1994, prior to availability of varicella vaccine, about 4 million cases of varicella occurred in the United States.
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#91
More on Chicken Pox

Chickenpox virus is highly contagious and is spread by direct contact with secretions (such as saliva) or pox from an infected individual, or by respiratory secretions released into the air from sneezing or coughing. The illness starts 10 to 21 days after contact with an infected person.
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A person who has never had chickenpox or chickenpox vaccine has a 90% chance of becoming infected if exposed to a family member with chickenpox.
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