Ghosts..... Have you ever seen them?

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Volosaurus rex said:
Yes and no. Your logic is quite sound . . . if you exclusively accept the western notion of ghosts as transparent apparitions which may or may not clearly possess human features. If you define these parapsychological phenomena more broadly as residual spiritual energy which may or may not be geographically fixated, may or may not have a consistently identifiable form and may or may not have historically or culturally specific associations with personages or spiritual entities, you then have a framework which can be used to explain, on an experiential basis, a portion of the supernatural revelations which are at the core of every religion known to man. In short, substitute “spirit” for the more narrowly defined imagery associated with ghosts.

More recently, research on near death experiences suggest that even the traditional concept of ghosts may not be entirely erroneous. In relating their NDE’s, people consistently speak, at the outset, of hovering above their bodies and looking down upon the proceedings as doctors and nurses attempt to resuscitate them. Accounts often make reference to their attempting to grab medical personnel in an effort to make them stop administering defibrillation, only to find that their analogs to flesh-and-blood hands pass through the space occupied by the arms of the attending physician.
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Happened before I was born, but my grandpa had a NDE. He told me the story many times.

He had a major heart attack and was taken to the hospital. Said he started floating out of his body and could see the docs and nurses working on him but he kept floating up and eventual could see the roof of the hospital, even drew a pic of it which was scary accurate for someone that had never seen it. When he arrived at the hospital the ER doc asked why they brought a dead man into his ER but thankfully the nurse convinced him to try to revive him. Which obviously they did or I wouldn't be here, but afterwards he was different. He was a drinker and smoker before it happened and never touched either one again afterwards.
 
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volfan_89 said:
Happened before I was born, but my grandpa had a NDE. He told me the story many times.

He had a major heart attack and was taken to the hospital. Said he started floating out of his body and could see the docs and nurses working on him but he kept floating up and eventual could see the roof of the hospital, even drew a pic of it which was scary accurate for someone that had never seen it. When he arrived at the hospital the ER doc asked why they brought a dead man into his ER but thankfully the nurse convinced him to try to revive him. Which obviously they did or I wouldn't be here, but afterwards he was different. He was a drinker and smoker before it happened and never touched either one again afterwards.
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While the drawing of the top of a building adds a certain wrinkle, are you open to routine psychological explanations of such phenomena?
 
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therealUT said:
I think it is a silly concept that results in the most absurd practices the world has ever witnessed (namely, the worshiping of animals).
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I was thinking more along the lines of dying, and coming back as another person. It's not something I believe in, I find it a little nutty.
Just was curious to your thoughts. We seem to agree.
 
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therealUT said:
While the drawing of the top of a building adds a certain wrinkle, are you open to routine psychological explanations of such phenomena?
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I'm not completely sure what phenomena is. Tried googling it but didn't really find much. But sure there could be some type of routine explanation of it or maybe there really is a spiritual side to humans that we haven't begun to understand yet.
 
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volfan_89 said:
I'm not completely sure what phenomena is. Tried googling it but didn't really find much. But sure there could be some type of routine explanation of it or maybe there really is a spiritual side to humans that we haven't begun to understand yet.
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A phenomenon is roughly just something that can be experienced or something experienced.

Sure, there could be a spiritual side to humans that we have not yet begun to understand. However, if given the choice between an explanation that relies on natural reasons or an explanation that relies on supernatural reasons, why would you opt for the supernatural?

The vast majority of time we take and accept the natural account. We watch the weather, we say it rained today because there was some high pressure system, etc. We don't say, it rained because the gods were angry.

When a building collapses, we investigate the natural causes: structural deficiencies, sabotage, etc. We don't say, the building collapsed because the gods were smiting the inhabitants.

If your daughter was knocked up, you'd ask her who she had sex with. If she told you that she was a virgin but that the divine had visited her in a dream and asexually fertilized her eggs, I highly doubt you would accept such an account.

Thus, if we can explain NDEs by reference to REM sleep-state conditions and to the sensibility our dreams have to the actual environment around us (think about when your dreams sometime end by some type of siren going off in your dream, but you wake up to your alarm clock), then why reject the natural account and opt for the supernatural?
 
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therealUT said:
A phenomenon is roughly just something that can be experienced or something experienced.

Sure, there could be a spiritual side to humans that we have not yet begun to understand. However, if given the choice between an explanation that relies on natural reasons or an explanation that relies on supernatural reasons, why would you opt for the supernatural?

The vast majority of time we take and accept the natural account. We watch the weather, we say it rained today because there was some high pressure system, etc. We don't say, it rained because the gods were angry.

When a building collapses, we investigate the natural causes: structural deficiencies, sabotage, etc. We don't say, the building collapsed because the gods were smiting the inhabitants.

If your daughter was knocked up, you'd ask her who she had sex with. If she told you that she was a virgin but that the divine had visited her in a dream and asexually fertilized her eggs, I highly doubt you would accept such an account.

Thus, if we can explain NDEs by reference to REM sleep-state conditions and to the sensibility our dreams have to the actual environment around us (think about when your dreams sometime end by some type of siren going off in your dream, but you wake up to your alarm clock), then why reject the natural account and opt for the supernatural?
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For me it would be because I want to believe that we have a spiritual side. But I do believe most things can be explained away by natural occurrences.

I've experienced some myself like waking up with the radio playing music and in my dream a was at a concert or dreaming that my hand was on fire and waking to find that the way I was sleeping caused my hand to go numb.
 
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So my wife's really good friend Kristin is from Indiana. Kristin said recently her friend from back home texted her freaking out. Apparently she had this picture taken with her boyfriend:



She felt it was too dark so she went to lighten it up and this was what showed up in the lightened up version:



Thoughts?
 
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Toujours Pret said:
There's an app that does that to pics.
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Yeah I've seen the apps before, there are several of them. Actually had a few of the apps myself, but I've never seen one with that face.

Also interesting to note that you can barely barely see it in the original version of the pic.
 
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I saw the ghost of Bear Bryant the other day. It was shoveling elephant sh*t at the circus and signing "I wish I knew the words to Rocky Top...."
 
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