Giles a Vol?

#76
#76
TampaVol99 said:
As a coach on the Gaither staff trust me when I say this kid plays bigger than 178 lbs. There's not an ounce of fat on him and he has good strength ( 500 + squat and deadlift ). The Vols are getting a heck of a kid that is truly a joy to be around. Jarvis lives for Friday nights and leaves everything on the field. The second half of the year last year he was running on a gimp ankle and was still unstoppable. You're getting a good one.
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I'm glad to hear it. I still think he needs to add 20 pounds minimum to compete for the starting running back position at UT.
 
#77
#77
vols kick balls said:
And that would be fine if he could put on 15 pounds of muscle (for now, would need more later) but some people can't do that as easily as others. He was just saying he needs to bulk up to play RB in our style of offense. I don't particularly like having a 200 pound RB as your primary option.
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Why? I'd love to have a guy with Coker's size and ability as the primary option.

Moreno is listed at 207. Caleb King is listed at 205.

UF lists Rainey at 156, Moore at 205.

Creer is listed at 202 and 6'1". Hardesty is listed at 205 and 6'0".... and this kid seems to be quicker and possibly faster than either of them.
 
#78
#78
TampaVol99 said:
As a coach on the Gaither staff trust me when I say this kid plays bigger than 178 lbs. There's not an ounce of fat on him and he has good strength ( 500 + squat and deadlift ). The Vols are getting a heck of a kid that is truly a joy to be around. Jarvis lives for Friday nights and leaves everything on the field. The second half of the year last year he was running on a gimp ankle and was still unstoppable. You're getting a good one.
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Glad to hear it and I'm very excited to get this guy. He still needs to put on weight to be a every down back in the SEC. Playing bigger than you are in the SEC often will lead to injuries and future durability problems (See Hardesty, another smaller RB that runs big).
 
#79
#79
TampaVol99, thanks. Just so you know- there is a vocal contingent posting here that would be dissatisfied no matter what.
 
#80
#80
sjt18 said:
Why? I'd love to have a guy with Coker's size and ability as the primary option.

Moreno is listed at 207. Caleb King is listed at 205.

UF lists Rainey at 156, Moore at 205.

Creer is listed at 202 and 6'1". Hardesty is listed at 205 and 6'0".... and this kid seems to be quicker and possibly faster than either of them.
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All of these guys are 25 to 30 pounds heavier than Giles. Hardesty is a full 27 pounds heavier than Giles, and he has been injured about once every two to three games that he's played in the SEC. Are you really sure that you want to use him to bolster your argument?
 
#81
#81
i for one think he is going to be are feature back when creer is gone and will be drafted high in the draft.. i just have a feeling about this kid.. being from south miami i know how talented the state of florida is and it produces top talent... and everyone saying he is goin to have to gain weight what do u think he is goin to do he has 2 yrs before he gets serious snaps he will be around 200 pounds by then
 
#82
#82
Vol423 said:
Do you want me to list some of the running backs that were more highly touted than this guy that haven't lived up to the hype at UT? Let's see...Gerald Riggs, Jabari Davis, Cedric Houston, Jamarcus Coker, and Jakouri Williams are right off the top of my head.
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Two of those had behavior issues. One had injury and attitude issues. Houston? Who knows? Who makes a pro roster and then just up and quits?

This kid doesn't sound like he comes with that type of baggage... but that wasn't the reason you gave anyway so you basically don't help yourself by listing those guys.
 
#83
#83
sjt18 said:
Why? I'd love to have a guy with Coker's size and ability as the primary option.

Moreno is listed at 207. Caleb King is listed at 205.

UF lists Rainey at 156, Moore at 205.

Creer is listed at 202 and 6'1". Hardesty is listed at 205 and 6'0".... and this kid seems to be quicker and possibly faster than either of them.
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and Moreno is the only one you listed who has done anything worth a damn and he still has to show that he can take the beating of an 20+ carry a game guy for a whole season.

Rainey- 3rd down back and ST player

King- not an every down back

Creer- 3rd down back right now

Hardesty- tried to play like an every down back and look at all the injuries he has had.

Moore- if he was an every down back UF wouldn't have tried to get another RB so hard via transfer.
 
#84
#84
Vol423 said:
All of these guys are 25 to 30 pounds heavier than Giles. Hardesty is a full 27 pounds heavier than Giles, and he has been injured about once every two to three games that he's played in the SEC. Are you really sure that you want to use him to bolster your argument?
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The kid is EXACTLY the listed height and weight of Harvin...

There are guys that play very successfully at 5'11", 195. He'll probably gain that within the first year if not more.

You said that size would force this kid to play WR... you are dead wrong.
 
#85
#85
He was just on the radio. He said he is 6' 185 right now and wants to gain 10-15 lbs. He laughed about it and said sec linebackers would break him in half at his cur weight.
 
#87
#87
WAY-J said:
He was just on the radio. He said he is 6' 185 right now and wants to gain 10-15 lbs. He laughed about it and said sec linebackers would break him in half at his cur weight.
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Thanks... as Vol423 has talked past himself... I've continued to say the kid would add about 10-15 lbs.
 
#88
#88
sjt18 said:
TampaVol99, thanks. Just so you know- there is a vocal contingent posting here that would be dissatisfied no matter what.
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Who isn't satisfied? I'm ecstatic that he committed to the Vols. But if he doesn't bulk up he will be limited to a 3rd down/long yardage/specialty back, not that there is anything wrong with that because teams do need players like those.
 
#89
#89
vols kick balls said:
Who isn't satisfied? I'm ecstatic that he committed to the Vols. But if he doesn't bulk up he will be limited to a 3rd down/long yardage/specialty back, not that there is anything wrong with that because teams do need players like those.
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Vol423 isn't. He said he wasn't the least bit convinced...

I've already said several times that he would probably gain 10-15 lbs and that would be big enough. He may gain more but that would be as big as numerous other RB's who've been successful every down players.
 
#90
#90
sjt18 said:
The kid is EXACTLY the listed height and weight of Harvin...

There are guys that play very successfully at 5'11", 195. He'll probably gain that within the first year if not more.

You said that size would force this kid to play WR... you are dead wrong.
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Is Harvin an everydown running back in a pro style offense? No, he has nothing to do with it.

WAY-J said:
He was just on the radio. He said he is 6' 185 right now and wants to gain 10-15 lbs. He laughed about it and said sec linebackers would break him in half at his cur weight.
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See, Giles knows what he is talking about. That is great to hear from him.

sjt18 said:
According to the spring report I read, the new guy couldn't knock Moore off his perch. He's still the #1 guy.
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But he still isn't an every down back. UF splits their carries up a lot. Tennessee usually doesn't. They usually have a primary ball carrier (20 carries a game) and 2 secondary carriers (about 7 carries a game each). Without him bulking up there is no way he could be the primary ball carrier in our offense.
 
#91
#91
sjt18 said:
Thanks... as Vol423 has talked past himself... I've continued to say the kid would add about 10-15 lbs.
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What you don't seem to realize is:

1) Not every kid can gain weight that easily. Maybe he will. Maybe he won't.

2) Adding 20 to 30 pounds to his high school playing weight has a very strong possibility of making him slower, less elusive and less explosive. He's going to have to add the weight to have a chance to be an every down back in the SEC, but that's such a large body change that he may not be the same back once he's added that much weight.
 
#92
#92
sjt18 said:
Vol423 isn't. He said he wasn't the least bit convinced...

I've already said several times that he would probably gain 10-15 lbs and that would be big enough. He may gain more but that would be as big as numerous other RB's who've been successful every down players.
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I'm not the least bit convinced he can be an every down back. 10-15 pounds will be enough for him to be a 3rd down back but not enough to be the primary ball carrier.
 
#93
#93
sjt18 said:
Vol423 isn't. He said he wasn't the least bit convinced...

I've already said several times that he would probably gain 10-15 lbs and that would be big enough. He may gain more but that would be as big as numerous other RB's who've been successful every down players.
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I love it when someone tries to put words into my mouth. I never said I'm not satisfied. I rather us succesfully recruit a 4 star running back than not successfully recruit a 4 star running back. I'm just not convinced that he'll make an impact as a starting running back at UT.

With respect to the weight, see my last post.
 
#94
#94
vols kick balls said:
I'm not the least bit convinced he can be an every down back. 10-15 pounds will be enough for him to be a 3rd down back but not enough to be the primary ball carrier.
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Correct. 10 to 15 pounds is not enough. As you stated, he needs to add that much weight just to be a third down back.
 
#95
#95
Vol423 said:
What you don't seem to realize is:

1) Not every kid can gain weight that easily. Maybe he will. Maybe he won't.

2) Adding 20 to 30 pounds to his high school playing weight has a very strong possibility of making him slower, less elusive and less explosive. He's going to have to add the weight to have a chance to be an every down back in the SEC, but that's such a large body change that he may not be the same back once he's added that much weight.
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Virtually every kid that hits the UT training program as a RB, WR, or QB gains weight. He may be that anomaly... but I sincerely doubt it.

Rogan is a good example of a kid about that size that added the weight AND got much faster.
 
#96
#96
vols kick balls said:
I'm not the least bit convinced he can be an every down back. 10-15 pounds will be enough for him to be a 3rd down back but not enough to be the primary ball carrier.
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The avg weight for starting RB's as listed right now for SEC teams is about 206. Locke who will start or play alot for UK weighs 180. Three or 4 others are listed at under 200 lbs.

5'11" 195 is big enough if he isn't injury prone. If he is injury prone (ie. Riggs) then it really won't matter how much he weighs.
 
#97
#97
sjt18 said:
Virtually every kid that hits the UT training program as a RB, WR, or QB gains weight. He may be that anomaly... but I sincerely doubt it.

Rogan is a good example of a kid about that size that added the weight AND got much faster.
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This kid needs to gain 20 to 30 pounds. Not everyone in UT's program gains 20 to 30 pounds, and particularly the running backs, who must remain in great condition at the same time that they're adding that weight.

Citing Rogan as an example is laughable. He's a DB. He's not taking a pounding every play.

Also, ESPN listed both Creer and Hardesty at 210 pounds on last year's roster, not 200 pounds.
 
#99
#99
sjt18 said:
The avg weight for starting RB's as listed right now for SEC teams is about 206. Locke who will start or play alot for UK weighs 180. Three or 4 others are listed at under 200 lbs.
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How far has our program sunk when we're using Kentucky's team as our model for building a successful team?
 
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