Give the devil his due (Kiffin)

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#151
TrueOrange said:
i honestly hate to say it....but from the a yard further back when the last one hit the guy without having to really even break through the line....yeah another long fg getting blocked from a yard shorter does kinda seem more likely than a holding penalty...:twocents:
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You've got one of the SEC's best special teams coaches over the last decade. I wonder if he was consulted.
 
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#152
kptvol said:
I imagine Kiffin spoke to Lincoln about the kick and that's why he decided to center the ball. In retrospect he shouldn't have listened when Lincoln told him he could make it, but that's the way it goes sometimes.
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I think it was probably more lane saying we can do this and I think you can make it....think 2000 when (Del Greco was having a slump) right before a game-winning field goal attempt the Titans called a timeout and Fisher ran on the field to give Del Greco a thumbs up (Al made the 55 yarder)

A player's always going to tell you "he can" unless it's absolutely out of his range of ability. But when a play like a fg gets blocked like that at the line, it's the coach's responsibility to realize that problem and at least try to move downfield more make the next kick easier

A damn shame we couldn't have had Palardy a year earlier.
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If Palardy kicks a 45 yarder with a higher arc then yes; otherwise there's really not that much of a difference in how it all would have turned out...perhaps only that the first 46 yarder that went wide would have been made


btw, could you maybe divide that up with
blocks the next time you want to answer in portions...sorry it just makes it easier to respond to some of the the portions rather than having to separate the whole thing
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#153
kptvol said:
Thanks for the input. The point was that it would be preferable to take a chance with a scoring opportunity than be pushed outside field goal range and never again get a chance.
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I got you I know. I understand what you were trying to say there; I wasn't trying to be a jerk, so I hope you didn't take it that way
 
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#154
#154
kptvol said:
That sounds fun, but that's only 32 yards. Not exactly Manning and the Colts, there.
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you were saying that when they knew what we were going to be doing, we wouldn't get anymore than an INT/turnover result...

I believe we had some good momentum when Cromp Daddy threw the pick six agaisnt Jawja a week ago. I understand that Crompton was starting to turn the corner, but he's still already thrown 10 INTs that season.
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I actually think the game was near out of reach by then; and that game was a whole different beast; too different for a justified comparison




But when you're the underdog like this in this big of a game against an opponent like this, you have to go for it especially when your team has all the momentum. It's your job as an offense and coach in the last quarter of a game, when you have enough time, to not only get in your kicker's range but to make it as easy as realistically possible (getting closer; going into his higher percentage makeable range, whatever)

If you let your fears of what "might" happen take over in these end of game scenarios - so much that you stop moving downfield and settle - then the other team has already one. You can't play football based on potential problems just like you can't predict games in a season based alone off of a player's potential. (I'm having a discussion about that with someone on another board who claims the raiders will dominate based off of 40 times and potentials as well as the sizes of their linemen being so large)You have to go with what you're given and what's been happening on the field that day more than what's happened in the past or fears. ---- I could understand worrying about crompton if this was a bad game for him, but this wasn't

If it had been a pick like you worry, everyone though would have said "ok we get what was happening; the last time he kicked from there it was an easy block. he couldn't kick it from there again" But if you just got one good pass, just one: a 6-7 yard gain would make it a 36 yarder; a 10-15, high 20s to low 30s; those are easily makeable by the kicker and honestly, I think he makes those (at the very worst, it goes wide but isn't blocked).


Instead he chose to sit on a spot at the far edge of the kicker's range

Being conservative with a turnover machine against the nation's best defense is a different animal.
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TrueOrange said:
If it had been a pick like you worry, everyone though would have said "ok we get what was happening; the last time he kicked from there it was an easy block. he couldn't kick it from there again"
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That sounds reasonable, but there were still scores of people on here flipping out about Kiffin putting the UCLA game on Hardesty's shoulders after Crompton pooped his pants.
 
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kptvol said:
That sounds reasonable, but there were still scores of people on here flipping out about Kiffin putting the UCLA game on Hardesty's shoulders after Crompton pooped his pants.
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Exactly. Kiffin would have caught Hell for it just like that UCLA game. Just because the desired results weren't achieved doesn't mean he made the wrong call either time.
 
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My bigger beef really was probably just the running off of 40 secs from the clock doing nothing rather than say even run once or twice or attempt another pass just to get it closer; he just let the clock tick out and make it a longer FG attempt
 
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kptvol said:
That sounds reasonable, but there were still scores of people on here flipping out about Kiffin putting the UCLA game on Hardesty's shoulders after Crompton pooped his pants.
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I thought it was people were flipping out about the Crompton was still the starting QB after that

(of course, too, that was 5 games before this one)
 
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TrueOrange said:
I thought it was people were flipping out about the Crompton was still the starting QB after that

(of course, too, that was 5 games before this one)
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There was that, too. To some the farther down on the depth chart you are, the better you are.
 
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#165
TrueOrange said:
My bigger beef really was probably just the running off of 40 secs from the clock doing nothing rather than say even run once or twice or attempt another pass just to get it closer; he just let the clock tick out and make it a longer FG attempt
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yep
 
#166
#166
TrueOrange said:
I think you're thinking of the saying: "The backup is always the most popular player on the team"
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I know the saying, but it's just an observation of VN over the last few years. The farther down the depth chart, the better. Hardesty was always better than Foster. Creer was better than Hardesty. Nick Stephens was better than Crompton, but not as good as BJ Coleman (AKA Peyton Manning, Jr.).
 
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kptvol said:
I know the saying, but it's just an observation of VN over the last few years. The farther down the depth chart, the better. Hardesty was always better than Foster. Creer was better than Hardesty. Nick Stephens was better than Crompton, but not as good as BJ Coleman (AKA Peyton Manning, Jr.).
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well lol, no by the time you reach the third string that grace has usually passed unless the position's output is so dreadfully terrible that year (see 08 QB play)
 
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