Glaring issue on Offense, not QB?

#26
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sjt18 said:
VERY doubtful Downs is a very good TE who will likely get PT until he graduates.

This, like all the other O problems, is a cummulative effect. If the WR's get good enough to draw more attention then the TE gets more space. When the QB gets more comfortable and decisive with reads then the TE gets the ball at the right time and place.

Jones has only repeated it about a million times... the problems are all over. The improvement has to be all over... but one area can be ready to be good but hindered by an area that's lagging.

As the O overall progresses, the TE position should "emerge".
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Ok, hope you are right.
 
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Glaring issue on offense is the TE but isn't:

* QB overthrowing a 6'4" receiver on a screen

* QB killing gophers on 5-10 yard drag routes

* WRs dropping balls

* WRs running the wrong routes

This offense is worse than I thought it'd be, but not by a whole lot. We have a bunch of really young guys all getting their first significant playing time. Pig Howard (soph), Croom (RS FR) and North (FR) are all showing signs of improvement but, again, they're young guys who just had 2 very rough games on the road.

Hopefully Worley wakes up and plays for an entire game like he did for 1 half against WKU and 1 half against Florida. We can't have this Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde crap on offense. We need to put together a cohesive game.

I think the playcalling is part of the problem. However, to be fair, we have to show some sign that we can complete a pass longer than 20 yards consistently if we're going to dream of having a good run game. Teams will quickly take away the run and the underneath pass quickly... including how 95% of teams use their TE.

Bajakian, at least through his interviews, has iterated that he's trying to get Downs involved in the passing game but from what it seems like... Downs is more of a blocking TE than a receiving TE. Also, given the extreme lack of depth at TE we don't want to risk an injury to Downs.

We could try Croom in some TE sets, that's the only think I can think of. I'm sure the coaches have also thought of that and have vetoed it... possibly due to blocking.
 
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Rifleman said:
What had happened was:

1) Our backup to Rivera from last year stole a Macbook from a baseball player and tried to sell it on e-Bay. He now catches TD passes at A&M. Still, glad to have him off the team. Hope he gets his stuff together.

2) Downs was injured last year, slowing his development, but he is starting to put it together.

3) Joseph Ayres blew his ACL and is done at UT.

4) Justin Meredith has been injured and I think his current issue is an uncooperative hamstring. Those things can take a while.

5) Woody Quinn is a volleyball guy who is an athletic freak, but jumping into the SEC at TE is a biiiig jump.

6) AJ Branisel was playing high school ball last year, but looks good considering. He really needs to block people first before he worries about catching a lot of balls. Bigger learning curve than most positions.

7) Alex Ellis is a walk on who is gutsy player. Don't think he has got on the field yet, though.

Basically this leaves us with Downs, Branisel, and if we ever need someone to spike the ball over the goalposts, Quinn.

Joking. Quinn may be the best of them by next year. Just takes time.
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Solid summary plus humor is qualification for like.
 
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What really worries me is the offense only scored 1TD against Florida and 2 against Oregon, and 1 of the TD's against Oregon was against their 3rd or 4th team defense late in the game. If we are not able to score more than 1 TD against other SEC teams, we are in deep, deep shat. I said at the 1st of the season, I'd be suprised for us to avg 20pts/game in the SEC, but now, I'm not sure we'll be able to score 14pts/game against SEC defenses.
 
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DC Vol said:
Glaring issue on offense is the TE but isn't:

* QB overthrowing a 6'4" receiver on a screen

* QB killing gophers on 5-10 yard drag routes

* WRs dropping balls

* WRs running the wrong routes

This offense is worse than I thought it'd be, but not by a whole lot. We have a bunch of really young guys all getting their first significant playing time. Pig Howard (soph), Croom (RS FR) and North (FR) are all showing signs of improvement but, again, they're young guys who just had 2 very rough games on the road.

Hopefully Worley wakes up and plays for an entire game like he did for 1 half against WKU and 1 half against Florida. We can't have this Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde crap on offense. We need to put together a cohesive game.

I think the playcalling is part of the problem. However, to be fair, we have to show some sign that we can complete a pass longer than 20 yards consistently if we're going to dream of having a good run game. Teams will quickly take away the run and the underneath pass quickly... including how 95% of teams use their TE.

Bajakian, at least through his interviews, has iterated that he's trying to get Downs involved in the passing game but from what it seems like... Downs is more of a blocking TE than a receiving TE. Also, given the extreme lack of depth at TE we don't want to risk an injury to Downs.

We could try Croom in some TE sets, that's the only think I can think of. I'm sure the coaches have also thought of that and have vetoed it... possibly due to blocking.
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Agree on pretty much every point. If we could just make it to consistently mediocre and not so hit or miss we'd be doing ok. We could struggle through some drops if the passing was better and we could struggle through some passing issues if we didn't also have drops but having both and not at the same time is killing 50+% of our effectiveness. We see it time and again, received is open Worley misses the throw. Then later Worley makes the throw but the reciever drops it. The running game is really suffering because of this inconsistency too or it would look better.
 
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All good points. Do we use this week to possible "get better" offensively and hopefully develop a little rhythm offensively? Pleeeeaaaase?



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photovol said:
What really worries me is the offense only scored 1TD against Florida and 2 against Oregon, and 1 of the TD's against Oregon was against their 3rd or 4th team defense late in the game. If we are not able to score more than 1 TD against other SEC teams, we are in deep, deep shat. I said at the 1st of the season, I'd be suprised for us to avg 20pts/game in the SEC, but now, I'm not sure we'll be able to score 14pts/game against SEC defenses.
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I don't know anyone it doesnt scare. Honestly our D has been solid overall. The most pleasant surprise of the season for me. They aren't all SEC but they are doing the best job of treading water. Palardy has also been really solid. It is so baffling how from one year to the next we will have such disparity in the various phases of the game.
 
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We only have about 10 plays that we run seems like. The only one for the TE is on the goaline. Plus with our QB, WR, O Line issues I don't think the main problem is bc were not utilizing a TE more.
 
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The day UT puts a team on the field that can at least tread water in all phases, watch the hell out. It's amazing we even hang in some of the games we have over the last couple years with the gaping holes we've either had on offense, defense, or special teams. That's why teams like Vandy or Mizzou scare a lot of fans. We have more stars but they are more balanced and well rounded. It's like UT has this collection of awesome guns but no ammo to ever shoot them. Even if the opponent only has a .22 if they have cases of ammo they have us beat.
 
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RiseToTheTop said:
We only have about 10 plays that we run seems like. The only one for the TE is on the goaline. Plus with our QB, WR, O Line issues I don't think the main problem is bc were not utilizing a TE more.
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To me it starts at the top and then issues pile up below.

QB/wr play -limiting play calling
limited play calling - increasing defensive pressure
collapse of passing game and increase in d pressure making run game collapse

rinse repeat
 
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DD4ME said:
To me it starts at the top and then issues pile up below.

QB/wr play -limiting play calling
limited play calling - increasing defensive pressure
collapse of passing game and increase in d pressure making run game collapse

rinse repeat
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agree with ya man.
 
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Our offense has issues across the board. While too early to make a final judgement I gotta say that so far I'm not a fan of this offensive scheme. Partly because it's so alien to what we're used to.

Not counting our early results...do yaw like this scheme?
 
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gnm53108 said:
Our offense has issues across the board. While too early to make a final judgement I gotta say that so far I'm not a fan of this offensive scheme. Partly because it's so alien to what we're used to.

Not counting our early results...do yaw like this scheme?
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Looks pretty vanilla to me. Any examples of a similar system run with the right players?
 
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gnm53108 said:
Our offense has issues across the board. While too early to make a final judgement I gotta say that so far I'm not a fan of this offensive scheme. Partly because it's so alien to what we're used to.

Not counting our early results...do yaw like this scheme?
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not really. i wish we were under center some more with only some shotgun. i like the pro style power run/play action offenses alabama and uga run. very balanced. thats just me.
 
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My one wish would be that even if the individual play doesn't improve markedly that at least the recievers and Worley could coordinate their mistakes happening at the same time. If you're gonna suck it up do it on one drive instead of everyone picking a different time to have brain farts.
 
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gnm53108 said:
Our offense has issues across the board. While too early to make a final judgement I gotta say that so far I'm not a fan of this offensive scheme. Partly because it's so alien to what we're used to.

Not counting our early results...do yaw like this scheme?
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Yeah, I don't like this scheme at all.

To my mind, the whole point of any scheme is to give your players an advantage. And I don't see any advantages with these players. And if you have to wait until you have top level talent to run the scheme effectively, then you might as well just be running the usual pro scheme anyway.
 
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Rifleman said:
Luckily we have two of the top TE prospects in the country committed for next year. Well, luck had little to do with it . . .

This is probably the position where we see the biggest turn around from where we are now to where we are going. I mean get ready for some unstoppable TE play by 2015.
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I agree.

As far as our offense and the TE position go, I think our main problem is that the coaches would like to line up in 2TE sets, but we currently only have one SEC ready TE.

That's not meant to be a big knock on Quinn or Bransiel. They've only been playing D1 ball for a couple months now.

I also think that we stand to see improvement at this position next year and it should be a big boost for our offensive production and what we'll be able to do offensively.

We'll have Downs back and Bransiel will have a year of bulk and experience in the offense added in. He may end up being our most balanced TE. Quinn should improve. Wolfe is an early enrollee, so that will serve as a boost for him (he already has SEC size anyway). Helm may need a year of experience and conditioning to block in the SEC, but he'll be ready to catch passes the day he sets foot on campus. Dude is a matchup nightmare.

By 2015 Bransiel, Helm, and Wolfe should present a lot of trouble to opposing defensive coordinators.
 
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DD4ME said:
My one wish would be that even if the individual play doesn't improve markedly that at least the recievers and Worley could coordinate their mistakes happening at the same time. If you're gonna suck it up do it on one drive instead of everyone picking a different time to have brain farts.
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:lolabove:

Agree.
 
#50
#50
I think the biggest problem with expanding the playbook is the fact that we're not executing high school level plays.

Drag routes and screens actually aren't high school level. We overthrow some guys and othertimes the receiver drops the screen pass. It's a complete mess.

The execution is on the coaches. However, this is their first year with this team and they're dealing with a lot of first year guys. This isn't like Bama last year with Amani Cooper. He was playing with a veteran QB behind a veteran OL with a powerful running game and veteran receivers. Coaches could key in on him and him alone.

Now? Not to knock Croom/North/Howard but how in the world can Azzani/Bajakian key in on one of them when they're all, well, being young guys in a new system?

And Bajakian has his hands full with the QBs so it's pretty much Azzani alone. We can't work on complicated routes until we get better blocking to allow them to develop and we stop dropping the easy catches. We won't see the full Offense until probably 2015.

This staff has a lot of work to do.
 
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