Glaring issue on Offense, not QB?

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Chilmonty said:
Last night was talking about UT with my 16 yr old son and he said "Does TN actually have any TE's?".

Great point! Why aren't our TE's being utilized, seemingly at all?

In recent years TE play has become much more widespread, especially in the pros. Seems like such an easy and fairly low risk way of getting a quick 5 or 10 yds and moving the dang chains!

Is it the read option, is it the QB not being able to get through his progressions to the TE (likely), am I missing something here??

Was curious what your opinions are, Flame on!


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#52
#52
It's not a matter of play calling, it is a matter of execution. They are improving. They improved the last 2 weeks during the game, against 2 great defenses. I'm not sure we will see another defense better than Florida's. The fact that we moved the ball better in the last part of the game against UF is promising. This is a year of lessons. Butch sat Worley against UF to teach him a lesson. Butch didn't give up before the game began. He didn't throw the game. He built a foundation for the future by teaching a life lesson. It hurts to sit the bench when you are a competitor.
 
#55
#55
None of this should surprise anyone. I actually think our team looks better than I expected.
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ManningBerry#1 said:
If we had an average quarterback play this wouldn't even be a thread.
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Yes it would. Our receivers are so young any qb would have problems. Combine that with a lazy O-line and slow RBs and, well, you get the point.
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#57
#57
They are on the field, but so far we're just using them as less of a tight end and more of a snug middle.

sjt18 said:
VERY doubtful Downs is a very good TE who will likely get PT until he graduates.
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Wait, are you saying it is very doubtful that Downs is a very good TE? Or that the point about him being recruited over is very doubtful because Downs is a very good TE? I'm pretty sure the space bar is not considered punctuation, so it left me confused as to your point.
 
#58
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Chilmonty said:
Last night was talking about UT with my 16 yr old son and he said "Does TN actually have any TE's?".

Great point! Why aren't our TE's being utilized, seemingly at all?

In recent years TE play has become much more widespread, especially in the pros. Seems like such an easy and fairly low risk way of getting a quick 5 or 10 yds and moving the dang chains!

Is it the read option, is it the QB not being able to get through his progressions to the TE (likely), am I missing something here??

Was curious what your opinions are, Flame on!


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Appears our TE talent right now is pretty underwhelming. One of our TEs, maybe Downs, had a perfect pass deflect off his "skillets" vs Florida before the DB got called for a targeting foul and was kicked out of the game. Like most other positions on the team, we need much more talent, which is coming with Helm and Wolf, at the TE position.
 
#59
#59
Can't wait for help at TE coming in next year. Downs is slow, unathletic, and not an especially good blocker. Unfortunately he's about all we have right now.
 
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sjt18 said:
VERY doubtful Downs is a very good TE who will likely get PT until he graduates.

This, like all the other O problems, is a cummulative effect. If the WR's get good enough to draw more attention then the TE gets more space. When the QB gets more comfortable and decisive with reads then the TE gets the ball at the right time and place.

Jones has only repeated it about a million times... the problems are all over. The improvement has to be all over... but one area can be ready to be good but hindered by an area that's lagging.

As the O overall progresses, the TE position should "emerge".
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IMO, its VERY possible that he gets recruited over, considering we have Helms (The #1 TE) & Wolf coming in next year.
 
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rcvol said:
None of this should surprise anyone. I actually think our team looks better than I expected.
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I think the defense looks better than expected. I thought the offense would be better with one of the "best OL's" in the country.
 
#62
#62
This is a youthful group of players , give them a little more time .
 
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Chilmonty said:
Last night was talking about UT with my 16 yr old son and he said "Does TN actually have any TE's?".

Great point! Why aren't our TE's being utilized, seemingly at all?

In recent years TE play has become much more widespread, especially in the pros. Seems like such an easy and fairly low risk way of getting a quick 5 or 10 yds and moving the dang chains!

Is it the read option, is it the QB not being able to get through his progressions to the TE (likely), am I missing something here??

Was curious what your opinions are, Flame on!


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Look man...lol! Tennessee has only called about 5 plays in 4 games. The handoff that takes too long, the reverse, the bubble screen, the deep ball, and the punt! There has been no play action rollout bootleg for a te drag pass, no quick slant, no curl routes....nothing!
 
#64
#64
The one decent tight end we did have did a very stupid thing that paid off tremendously. Instead of wasting away in our continuous rebuilding cycle, he is now catching td's from the heisman trophy winner and competing for championships.
 
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#65
#65
the te drag route is the most underutilized play in football.
 
#66
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rcvol said:
Yes it would. Our receivers are so young any qb would have problems. Combine that with a lazy O-line and slow RBs and, well, you get the point.
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We can't even hit a WR while he's still running. They have to be completely stopped and most of the time have to run back to the ball because it's so severely under thrown.
 
#67
#67
I'm no expert on offensive schemes. But, I have a question about something that just does not seem correct. We are often spreading the field as expected, often w four "receivers" and one that's usually in some sort of motion.

Question: Why is Downs split out in the slot or running across in motion? If you're going to put a player out wide or in the slot (aka "in space"), doesn't that player need to have exceptional speed to separate in space? No way our QBs are accurate enough to utilize his height/reach, even if matched on a 5-9 nickle back.

I would much rather see a true WR with speed out there in space putting pressure on the D. It's not like the D needs to match a LB against him in case he's going to block.

Butch and staff have forgotten more about offensive FB than I know, so I'll trust them. But, it just looks ineffective to me from the git-go.

Thoughts?
 
#69
#69
All SEC Lineman, best in SEC(?), yet we can't move the ball on the ground, RB's or lineman are as big issue as QB, maybe more.
 
#71
#71
Chilmonty said:
Downs has 2 touchdowns but only 5 catches for 22yards?

I would think Worley could hit him a little more often from 10 yards away.

Just looking for ways to extend drives and keep the D off the field for more than 2 minutes.


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like ours, you need to be able to execute the short passing game to complement running game, make 10 yards and hold onto the ball. We're not doing it. It would help if we had a little deception in our schemes, too. I don't think Downs has the speed or athleticism of recent TEs for us.
 
#72
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Chilmonty said:
Last night was talking about UT with my 16 yr old son and he said "Does TN actually have any TE's?".

Great point! Why aren't our TE's being utilized, seemingly at all?

In recent years TE play has become much more widespread, especially in the pros. Seems like such an easy and fairly low risk way of getting a quick 5 or 10 yds and moving the dang chains!

Is it the read option, is it the QB not being able to get through his progressions to the TE (likely), am I missing something here??

Was curious what your opinions are, Flame on!


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Quinn and Branisel are not physical enough. Ellis and Ayres are both hurt and done for year. Downs is only one capable. It has impacted the offense because they have schemes with more than one TE.

Bottom line, only one TE available and ready to play at SEC level..

pretty common theme across the entire offense... either not enough experience to perform or if experienced, not performing up to capabilities (like the OL)
 
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Manvol said:
All SEC Lineman, best in SEC(?), yet we can't move the ball on the ground, RB's or lineman are as big issue as QB, maybe more.
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It doesn't matter how good your OL is when the defense is loading the box to stop the run because they don't respect your passing game.
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#75
#75
Manvol said:
All SEC Lineman, best in SEC(?), yet we can't move the ball on the ground, RB's or lineman are as big issue as QB, maybe more.
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running backs are average SEC running backs.

OL cannot move the football when your team has average running backs and WRs that have little experience. Then the QBs are average as well..

you get bad offense which is where we are. coaches can't fix average except by recruiting better talent which they are doing
 
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